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Re: M1A vs 308 AR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lencomatt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So i find myself liking the M1A with a Sage EBR stock and think I want to build one. But what am I going to get besides the cool factor over a 308 based AR? But really what more do you need than cool factor? </div></div>
being cool is all you need. to be cool around here you shoot offhand through tiny ports.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lencomatt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So i find myself liking the M1A with a Sage EBR stock and think I want to build one. But what am I going to get besides the cool factor over a 308 based AR? But really what more do you need than cool factor? </div></div>
being cool is all you need. to be cool around here you shoot offhand through tiny ports.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
The AR10 platform has the versatility of different roles long range to short range. Slap on a different uppers, calibers and overall configs with the AR10. The EBR is what it is. I have shot both and have to say the AR10 shoots smoother and feels better. That could also just be me being use to the AR15/M4 also. I have 2 M1A and kinda think one of them should have been an AR10 platform instead.
The AR10 platform has the versatility of different roles long range to short range. Slap on a different uppers, calibers and overall configs with the AR10. The EBR is what it is. I have shot both and have to say the AR10 shoots smoother and feels better. That could also just be me being use to the AR15/M4 also. I have 2 M1A and kinda think one of them should have been an AR10 platform instead.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
I like the AR platform b/c it has so many configurations. I have a JD Machine 308 AR with criterion barrel that I'm getting 1" at 300y.
I like the AR platform b/c it has so many configurations. I have a JD Machine 308 AR with criterion barrel that I'm getting 1" at 300y.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
The main difference b/t my Troy'd M1A and my OBR is about 3.5 lbs.
The main difference b/t my Troy'd M1A and my OBR is about 3.5 lbs.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
OBR,GAP 10,POF,SR25,etc over an M1A any day of the week.
Personal preference.
OBR,GAP 10,POF,SR25,etc over an M1A any day of the week.
Personal preference.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
My 2 cents....
The amount of $ you will spend will be more. I sold my sage 18" recently and got a LMT MWS. I first thought I would have some regrets..those disappeared immediately when I shot the MWS. M14's are fine rifles but the LMT is a cut above. Easier to maintain, accessorize, scope w/o hassles of check weld issues and better ergos etc
Plus the brits are using them on the 2 way so they are reliable as well. Larue makes a fine rifle too my buddy has one (predatar) you can't go wrong with either make.
My factory stock LMT shoots M118LR 1/2 MOA when I do my part ( 5 rnds 100yrd prone off bipod leupold 1.5x5 scope):
If you want a precision capable battle rifle there are better choices than the ebr now. If you want an ebr because they are cool..well by all means get one but I am glad I sold mine.Thats my experience ymmv.
My 2 cents....
The amount of $ you will spend will be more. I sold my sage 18" recently and got a LMT MWS. I first thought I would have some regrets..those disappeared immediately when I shot the MWS. M14's are fine rifles but the LMT is a cut above. Easier to maintain, accessorize, scope w/o hassles of check weld issues and better ergos etc
Plus the brits are using them on the 2 way so they are reliable as well. Larue makes a fine rifle too my buddy has one (predatar) you can't go wrong with either make.
My factory stock LMT shoots M118LR 1/2 MOA when I do my part ( 5 rnds 100yrd prone off bipod leupold 1.5x5 scope):
If you want a precision capable battle rifle there are better choices than the ebr now. If you want an ebr because they are cool..well by all means get one but I am glad I sold mine.Thats my experience ymmv.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
I don't think you're getting anything with the EBR over the AR, even the cool factor. Cooler than an OBR, GAP-10, LMT MWS, SR-25, or Noveske? In my humble opinion, no. I love the M1A and regret selling the one I had but for practical use the AR beats the EBR hands down. If I ever replace my M1A I want it to look as close to the standard issue service rifle as possible because I'll be getting it for my gun collection, not for my serious use rifles.
In my experience the .308 ARs I have used are more accurate, more ergonomic, easier to put optics on, and easier to work on than the M1A. The latest wave of M14s pressed into service for OIF and OEF as DMRs wasn't because it was the best rifle for the job, it was because there was a need for them and we already had them in the inventory.
I don't think you're getting anything with the EBR over the AR, even the cool factor. Cooler than an OBR, GAP-10, LMT MWS, SR-25, or Noveske? In my humble opinion, no. I love the M1A and regret selling the one I had but for practical use the AR beats the EBR hands down. If I ever replace my M1A I want it to look as close to the standard issue service rifle as possible because I'll be getting it for my gun collection, not for my serious use rifles.
In my experience the .308 ARs I have used are more accurate, more ergonomic, easier to put optics on, and easier to work on than the M1A. The latest wave of M14s pressed into service for OIF and OEF as DMRs wasn't because it was the best rifle for the job, it was because there was a need for them and we already had them in the inventory.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
I have said it many time, and I will say it again. There is no .308 semi auto out there today that can do better than a DI AR. The AR you get the best of all worlds:
1) Easy to Scope
2) Easy to Smith (you can do everything yourself)
3) A lot of after market accessories available
4) Match Barrels available from Noveske, Schillen, or WOA
5) parts availability
6) New manufactured spare parts are available and fairly cheap
The M14 platform has so many shortcomings it's not even funny. I wrote a long detailed list once, but too lazy to do it again. Most people will eventually come to the conclusion the AR platform is the way to go here, that is as long as your name is not H20Man.
I have said it many time, and I will say it again. There is no .308 semi auto out there today that can do better than a DI AR. The AR you get the best of all worlds:
1) Easy to Scope
2) Easy to Smith (you can do everything yourself)
3) A lot of after market accessories available
4) Match Barrels available from Noveske, Schillen, or WOA
5) parts availability
6) New manufactured spare parts are available and fairly cheap
The M14 platform has so many shortcomings it's not even funny. I wrote a long detailed list once, but too lazy to do it again. Most people will eventually come to the conclusion the AR platform is the way to go here, that is as long as your name is not H20Man.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
While the AR platform is more receptive to mounting optics, there is a whole generation of high power shooters that would disagree with the blanket statement made here. The M1A can be a very accurate rifle, just as the AR can be. Does it usually cost more money to make it so, probably, but do not tell me the AR is simply more accurate.
That being said, i sold a scoped M1A to fund another LMT MWS in 260 this time. But i didnt do it for the accuracy, i didnt it for the ability to mount optics easily and to be the same platform as the 5.56 AR's i own. I still shoot my Scout model M1A, and well i might add.
Bill
While the AR platform is more receptive to mounting optics, there is a whole generation of high power shooters that would disagree with the blanket statement made here. The M1A can be a very accurate rifle, just as the AR can be. Does it usually cost more money to make it so, probably, but do not tell me the AR is simply more accurate.
That being said, i sold a scoped M1A to fund another LMT MWS in 260 this time. But i didnt do it for the accuracy, i didnt it for the ability to mount optics easily and to be the same platform as the 5.56 AR's i own. I still shoot my Scout model M1A, and well i might add.
Bill
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
I guess what I'm curious about is why is a M1A with a NM barrel going to be drastically more accurate than the normal barrel? And by the time its done I'll have about $3000 in it. It seems the M1 guys think so highly of them it made me wonder if they were any better than the AR. I have had LR308's, a DPMS SASS, and a POF and they were cool enough but I want something a little different. But is it going to have anything going for it besides the cool factor?
I guess what I'm curious about is why is a M1A with a NM barrel going to be drastically more accurate than the normal barrel? And by the time its done I'll have about $3000 in it. It seems the M1 guys think so highly of them it made me wonder if they were any better than the AR. I have had LR308's, a DPMS SASS, and a POF and they were cool enough but I want something a little different. But is it going to have anything going for it besides the cool factor?
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
Get both. I started off with a EBR mod 0 all black with a scout squad set up in it . I am now turning that mod 0 into a mod 1 with a CRT and riser on the end like a Ar 15. and i just bought another ebr on here the Navy model to build a M25 LRB rifle in it . that solves the mount issue on it . and i plan on using a red dot on the m4 CQB set up i am doing . I will someday own a Ar-10 when i do it will be a Gap 10 or a LMT or OBR . rifles are like women you could have the baddest chick but you still want to play with other ones cause you think you are missing out. I would try and get your hands on which ever you think you want and see how they feel . Either way you will end up with a great rifle if you get the right brand/model.
Get both. I started off with a EBR mod 0 all black with a scout squad set up in it . I am now turning that mod 0 into a mod 1 with a CRT and riser on the end like a Ar 15. and i just bought another ebr on here the Navy model to build a M25 LRB rifle in it . that solves the mount issue on it . and i plan on using a red dot on the m4 CQB set up i am doing . I will someday own a Ar-10 when i do it will be a Gap 10 or a LMT or OBR . rifles are like women you could have the baddest chick but you still want to play with other ones cause you think you are missing out. I would try and get your hands on which ever you think you want and see how they feel . Either way you will end up with a great rifle if you get the right brand/model.
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
Read through this and you can get an idea. Just substitute M1A for HK91 on each post.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3227351#Post3227351
Read through this and you can get an idea. Just substitute M1A for HK91 on each post.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3227351#Post3227351
Re: M1A vs 308 AR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have said it many time, and I will say it again. There is no .308 semi auto out there today that can do better than a DI AR. The AR you get the best of all worlds:
1) Easy to Scope
2) Easy to Smith (you can do everything yourself)
3) A lot of after market accessories available
4) Match Barrels available from Noveske, Schillen, or WOA
5) parts availability
6) New manufactured spare parts are available and fairly cheap
The M14 platform has so many shortcomings it's not even funny. I wrote a long detailed list once, but too lazy to do it again. Most people will eventually come to the conclusion the AR platform is the way to go here, that is as long as your name is not H20Man. </div></div>
I have to agree here. I bought my first M-1A in 1974. I still have it. I also bought a Scout M-1A, I still shoot both of them. The M1-A's lose zero taking it out of the stock. They are great rifles, but the AR platform is so much better to scope, accurize and work on.
I bought a SR-25 in 1993 and found the AR is so much better for a long range rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have said it many time, and I will say it again. There is no .308 semi auto out there today that can do better than a DI AR. The AR you get the best of all worlds:
1) Easy to Scope
2) Easy to Smith (you can do everything yourself)
3) A lot of after market accessories available
4) Match Barrels available from Noveske, Schillen, or WOA
5) parts availability
6) New manufactured spare parts are available and fairly cheap
The M14 platform has so many shortcomings it's not even funny. I wrote a long detailed list once, but too lazy to do it again. Most people will eventually come to the conclusion the AR platform is the way to go here, that is as long as your name is not H20Man. </div></div>
I have to agree here. I bought my first M-1A in 1974. I still have it. I also bought a Scout M-1A, I still shoot both of them. The M1-A's lose zero taking it out of the stock. They are great rifles, but the AR platform is so much better to scope, accurize and work on.
I bought a SR-25 in 1993 and found the AR is so much better for a long range rifle.
