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$100,000 AR

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I could understand if it actually had a purpose, like it was only 2 pounds or something. As is its a $98,000 demonstration that they can mill titanium parts... That offer nothing to the market. In the end theirs very little wow factor for it, except the price tag, and that's more a "wow you wasted a lot of money". Also a bit odd they <span style="font-style: italic">only</span> want $50,000 for there .308 production model. So whys that one $100g's? Just because its #1?
 
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I am curious to know what is cost NEMO to manufacture said rifle?

+1 on the weight question.
 
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8.65lbs for the .308 production model, no optics etc, its on there website. Dpms makes a standard one that comes in at 8.3lbs, sooooo.
 
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So my EMC is lighter and I saved well over 90K!
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This isn't even the "best" product in their line up.

Their OMEN (Long action) AR platform is way more "innovative" because they had to redesign something from scratch.

omen-300-win-mag-ar-nemo.jpg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wintermute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay, that's just annoying. I've been looking for a 300wm semi-auto. Are these the only guys who make one?

--Wintermute</div></div>

I believe Browning makes one.
 
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ahh, yeah, the BAR...unfortunately not exactly what I was looking for. The only other rifle I've seen that's close to what I'm looking for in 300wm other than this one is a Walther WA2000 (hard to find and very expensive).

--Wintermute
 
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Why does he keep saying full titanium AR when it isn't entirely made out of titanium?

Unless you start thinning out the wall thickness, a titanium AR that is dimensionally identical to an aluminum AR will weigh more because titanium is denser than aluminum.
 
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What's up with the big ass gap between the receiver and rail?

In the design drawing there's no gap.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Smrkovsky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's insaine. I doubt they sell many of those. </div></div>

Yeah, but lots of things aren't about sales. Look at high end cars, they sell a few of them.

I wouldn't pay over a couple hundred bucks for swirls of paint on paper. But lots of people pay millions of dollars for it.

Different things for different people. I would buy a bunch of things if I won the lottery. Would this be one of them? I don't know, but it would be fun to be able to.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Marcus85</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's up with the big ass gap between the receiver and rail?

In the design drawing there's no gap. </div></div>

I think its just the way light reflects off it. I will head up there tomorrow and see if I can get a couple better pics.
 
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I bet I could start grass fires from the reflection of it here in Texas with that thing in the summer time
 
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At least he said "98,000 radically impractical for the end user" but a statement piece for us.
Sounds like he gets it.
I bet somebody with money to burn will buy this at the NRA meeting.
 
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I can't take an expensive rifle seriously if it has a quad rail gas block on it.
 
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Titanium is expensive but not 98K expensive... The only thing that would give it that price is that Ti takes for ever to machine. You have to machine it like tool steel.
 
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Lazy21 That's just what you don't need. I don't want to fly out for your funeral. Such a Deal Such a Deal. Horse piss.
 
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I think a lot of you are missing.the point.

It didn't cost them 100k to make it and they aren't trying to make 100k to recoup.cost.
How many of you heard of NEMO last week? Not many I bet...but by the end of the week, thousands of new people will, just because of the price point on a rifle.
It's cheap marketing and advertising..

If someone buys it (or the cheaper production model at 50k) ...that's just a bonus.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BIPMaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't take an expensive rifle seriously if it has a quad rail gas block on it. </div></div>

Bingo...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wintermute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay, that's just annoying. I've been looking for a 300wm semi-auto. Are these the only guys who make one?

--Wintermute</div></div>

I believe Browning makes one. </div></div>
RND
 
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Gimmick or not the only way I'm paying 100k for any firearm is if its attached to an Aston Martin DB9 full of hookers.
 
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I work in aerospace. Titanium is mediocre on the scale of "hard to machine".

Titanium is also heavier than aluminum...so I see no benefit other than bragging rights. Even then, what is being bragged about other than being the first to make an existing product out of a matierial with no adduitional benefits? It reminds me of the DeLorean...first car with stainless body panels, yay? It's only achieved popularity in consumer products the last decade and its become a gimmicky "tincture that cures what ails ya" much in the same way I saw TiN coatings spread into consumer products and the silly marketing behind it. We haven't used TiN coatings in 10+ years, much better stuff available. Titanium seems to be marketed as a miracle metal, often applied incorrectly, with a premium price tag. There was a time when aluminum was worth more than gold and aluminum tableware was in the realm of kings and royalty.

Some folks will argue titanium is difficult to machine. That is true if you're on manual machinery. Some argue it is hard on tooling. This is true...compared with aluminum or untreated steels and cobalt or HSS tooling. Most of the aero industry uses carbide for increased productivity. The initial higher cost is generally offset by longer tool life and being able to push the tools harder and faster. Tool life suffers more in treated stainless or superalloys than titanium by a large margin.
 
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Contacted the dealer today...and what they don't tell you in the video is that the rifle comes in a special case made entirely of unicorn horn
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeff1383</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contacted the dealer today...and what they don't tell you in the video is that the rifle comes in a special case made entirely of unicorn horn </div></div>

Is it lined with Bald Eagle?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LarryA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wintermute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay, that's just annoying. I've been looking for a 300wm semi-auto. Are these the only guys who make one?

--Wintermute</div></div>

I believe Browning makes one. </div></div>
RND </div></div>

I'd love to get an RND 2000...last time I called them they said they weren't shipping any for sale though. Have they finally started making them available?

--Wintermute
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sebben</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jeff1383</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Contacted the dealer today...and what they don't tell you in the video is that the rifle comes in a special case made entirely of unicorn horn </div></div>

Is it lined with Bald Eagle? </div></div>
You get an option between bald eagle and baby seal liners
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cesiumsponge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I work in aerospace. Titanium is mediocre on the scale of "hard to machine".

Titanium is also heavier than aluminum...so I see no benefit other than bragging rights. Even then, what is being bragged about other than being the first to make an existing product out of a matierial with no adduitional benefits? It reminds me of the DeLorean...first car with stainless body panels, yay? It's only achieved popularity in consumer products the last decade and its become a gimmicky "tincture that cures what ails ya" much in the same way I saw TiN coatings spread into consumer products and the silly marketing behind it. We haven't used TiN coatings in 10+ years, much better stuff available. Titanium seems to be marketed as a miracle metal, often applied incorrectly, with a premium price tag. There was a time when aluminum was worth more than gold and aluminum tableware was in the realm of kings and royalty.

Some folks will argue titanium is difficult to machine. That is true if you're on manual machinery. Some argue it is hard on tooling. This is true...compared with aluminum or untreated steels and cobalt or HSS tooling. Most of the aero industry uses carbide for increased productivity. The initial higher cost is generally offset by longer tool life and being able to push the tools harder and faster. Tool life suffers more in treated stainless or superalloys than titanium by a large margin. </div></div>

So what materials ARE the truly hard to machine, highly advantageous alloys that would make for a high-tech no-cost-limit rifle?

I'd still love to see a source for massive quantities of iridium, from the sounds of it the stuff could make for some spectacular armor and projectiles if only global production amounted to more than a few tons per year.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Arbiter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cesiumsponge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I work in aerospace. Titanium is mediocre on the scale of "hard to machine".

Titanium is also heavier than aluminum...so I see no benefit other than bragging rights. Even then, what is being bragged about other than being the first to make an existing product out of a matierial with no adduitional benefits? It reminds me of the DeLorean...first car with stainless body panels, yay? It's only achieved popularity in consumer products the last decade and its become a gimmicky "tincture that cures what ails ya" much in the same way I saw TiN coatings spread into consumer products and the silly marketing behind it. We haven't used TiN coatings in 10+ years, much better stuff available. Titanium seems to be marketed as a miracle metal, often applied incorrectly, with a premium price tag. There was a time when aluminum was worth more than gold and aluminum tableware was in the realm of kings and royalty.

Some folks will argue titanium is difficult to machine. That is true if you're on manual machinery. Some argue it is hard on tooling. This is true...compared with aluminum or untreated steels and cobalt or HSS tooling. Most of the aero industry uses carbide for increased productivity. The initial higher cost is generally offset by longer tool life and being able to push the tools harder and faster. Tool life suffers more in treated stainless or superalloys than titanium by a large margin. </div></div>

So what materials ARE the truly hard to machine, highly advantageous alloys that would make for a high-tech no-cost-limit rifle?

I'd still love to see a source for massive quantities of iridium, from the sounds of it the stuff could make for some spectacular armor and projectiles if only global production amounted to more than a few tons per year. </div></div>

Superalloys like Stellite, Hasteloy, Incoloy, and Monel are hard to machine, if you're a glutton for punishment. The first time we had a Stellite bushing job come through our CNC turning department, we were getting a whopping 2 parts per 1/2" solid carbide drill before the drills would shatter. Eventually we tweaked the process and pushed it to about 10 whopping parts before breakage. Still spendy considering solid carbide drills aren't cheap. I have a friend that works for Blue Origin (Jeff Bezo's spaceflight company). I think his hair went white over the course of a year trying to manufacture several rocket nozzles out of Inconel.

Superalloys retain their strength under a ridiculous temperature range from cryogenic to upwards of about 2000F. They also resist oxidation and corrosion under these conditions. Traditional metals like steels will anneal themselves, oxidize, and fail quickly under such conditions. Usually you're using these materials for things like jet turbines, rocket motors, gas turbines, or anything that needs to retain strength under extreme temperatures and pressures.

That said, the materials used in the AR platform right now are 110% suitable. If they weren't, we'd have all sorts of pysical failures that could be traced back to metallurgy. No one is blowing up barrels or receivers or bolt carrier parts with any degree of regularity and you'd be hard pressed to find anyone outside of a laboratory with the capability to fire a sustained number of rounds long enough to cause something to melt or fail from heat.

Most problems with the AR appear to simply be an issue of maintenence to keep it running. None of the above materials give any additional benefit to an AR. You could make the whole thing out of Inconel but you're not going to see any benefits at all unless you're a lab somewhere with the ability to feed 10,000 rounds through it nonstop at maximum cyclical rate, which is completely unrealistic. I have heard, however, that Stellite has been used to line some machine gun barrels but I don't know anything about that. Someone else would have to chime in.

Iridium is one of those precious, heavy non-radiological metals like osmium, gold, platinium, etc. I cannot comment on it's use in munitions or armor because I don't know anything about that. I'm only aware they're usually using depleted uranium which is about 70% denser than lead and nothing else comes close if you're looking specifically for something really really dense to absorb impacts or to make high-penetration projectiles.
 
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Oh well $50k is so much more of a bargain.

CS I would like stellite extractors/firing pins and then a stellite 3" blade as well.

Thanks, check is in the mail.
 
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hey, it's something a somalian king would want!
 
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Anybody know how much a block of titanium sells for? If I remember correctly from a geology class a while back, it should be no more than $1k in titanium for this rifle...

I guess the labor and being first to make is worth 48k+
 
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I remember a while back seeing a standard AR lower offered in titanium for 7000
 
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