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What's wrong with CMMG??

Nostradumbass

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    Just bought a cmmg 300 blackout upper....shoots great! Since though, I've been told to stay away from cmmg. Can't figure out why though....
    Anybody have negative issues with this manufacturer ar these uppers?
    Thanks guys,
    Phillip
     
    Re: What's wrong with CMMG??

    I have built off a couple of their lowers, they are great!. I have not heard any thing bad about any of their stuff! I know couple guys that shoot cmmg blackout uppers and love them! If it works and shoots well... then shoot it!
     
    Re: What's wrong with CMMG??

    They had an issue a few years ago regarding threaded barrels and being off center which led to a couple baffle strikes. I have owned a few CMMG complete AR's, and several uppers without one single issue.

    Basically in the gun world once you get a little bit of a black eye it has a slight hint of being black all the way down the road.
     
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    I have a SBR from them that's been ran in several carbine schools... HARD...never had a problem with it.
     
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    Ive assembled a lower and it went together great. Im not fond of the high gloss black finish of cmmg though. What blanks does CMMG use for their barrels? Ive never shot one but Im sure youre ok shooting 300blkout seeing that youre not going for long distance accuracy.
     
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    Thanks for the report. I really like the upper....sure the quad rail is a little cheesy and large, but it's milspec. I put a Troy rail on it and haven't looked back.
    I'm thinking the hate was coming from AAC rifle owners....I just couldn't see what I was getting with the aac upper for twice the cost was justifiable.
     
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    Limited experience with CMMG but no problems. Other owners I know aren't reporting issues. Far as I know there's nothing wrong with them at all.
     
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    I bought a rifle from them going on 7 years ago now. Runs great. I started building a new gun last fall. I liked the 2 stage trigger I got from them in my first gun so well that I sent them an email asking what it was and could I get another. I never got any response. This is not the first time they ignored me. I will never buy from them ever again. If they can't answer an email, screw them. There are other companies.
     
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    CMMG cuts a few corners here and there, but they make a descent rifle nonetheless. I'd rate them over RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc. They aren't on par with Colt, Daniel Defense, Bravo Company Manufacturing, Noveske, etc.

    For the money, BCM is about the best value you can get but they don't make any .300 BLKs. Were I you, I'd consider picking up a PSA or just building your own with an AAC barrel.
     
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    Nothing wrong with CMMG and they have some of the best customer service in the business.
     
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    The only thing I have from them is triggers and I love them and I don't think I would buy any other one unless I was looking for a lighter trigger. They are awesome, crisp and consistant.
     
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    I bought a CMMG M4 clone back in 2008. Have run it for years with no problems/complaints. I have 2000-3000 rounds through mine and still goes bang every time.

    I haven't had a need for any service or replacement parts so i can't really speak to that aspect, but I wouldn't hesitate to work with them again in the future.
     
    Re: What's wrong with CMMG??

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CMMG cuts a few corners here and there, but they make a descent rifle nonetheless. I'd rate them over RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc. They aren't on par with Colt, Daniel Defense, Bravo Company Manufacturing, Noveske, etc.

    For the money, BCM is about the best value you can get but they don't make any .300 BLKs. Were I you, I'd consider picking up a PSA or just building your own with an AAC barrel. </div></div>

    what the hell are you even talking about? did you read the question? he has one already
     
    Re: What's wrong with CMMG??

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nostradumbass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody have negative issues with this manufacturer</div></div>
    Yes. I ordered an M4 upper from them way back in the day. The barrel was loose and resulted in extremely poor groups. Not knowing this, I attended Front Sight class and almost failed because I couldn't hit anything. Instructor also tried my rifle and couldn't hit anything either.

    I finally discovered the barrel was loose and tightened it up quite a bit. It shoots a lot better now, but still not great. I may have damaged the barrel or bolt by shooting a thousand rounds or so with a loose barrel, or maybe it's just a cheap barrel and I shouldn't have high expectations to begin with.

    About a year later the rifle started short-stroking. I discovered that the gas key was not staked properly, if you could call it staked at all. It looked as if someone simply placed a chisel across the top of each gas key bolt and hit it once with a hammer. I have also seen other gas keys staked like this from other manufacturers, so it appears to be a common problem and perhaps CMMG was just using a parts source that others use as well. In any case, I have since staked it properly and it has been reliable thereafter.

    This was all about 7-8 years ago. Enough people seem happy with them now, perhaps they have improved. I will say that in my one experience buying from them, their communication was quick and knowledgeable, including both pre-sale and after-sale support.
     
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    I was going to get the shorty 300 upper, but I heard they are very 'anti-handload' people.... well considering only remington fricing makes the ammo for it and charges out the ass, it makes it nearly impossible for most of us NOT to shoot factory ammo... hell I would shoot factory because I don't like to load ammo for quantity, but I don't have a choice!

    so I've been waiting on core15 to stock their uppers which is a good price...

    still considering CMMG, but the handloadign thing is a problem. if they won't even touch my rifle because I hand loaded and there is a problem with staking, that's not right...

    also I hate that new handguard they have
     
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    Owned 3 complete CMMG rifles and several of their parts in other builds and never had a problem with any of it.

    I recommend CMMG regularly to people looking for a good product without paying top dollar.
     
    These guys are some of the few that actually manufacture stuff. They do spin their own barrels now, but they use another manufacturer's blanks. I wish I know which blanks they are using now.
     
    Two issues:

    1. My best friend had a piston .223 complete rifle from them that he could not get to shoot any where near accurately. He took it to a local smith and was told that the gun wasn't torqued and that the barrel was loose.
    2. I bought a .308 AR-10 from them. The trigger would not reset at all. I called them for a new trigger and they wanted me to send the entire gun back to be fixed, at my cost. I placed another trigger that I had lying around and pressed on, whatever. Next the gun would not cycle reliably. Double feeds, extraction issues, you name it. I sent the upper back to them, they "fixed it". When it returned the upper was misaligned to the point that I could not reach mechanical zero with the installed irons. Brass was gouged and demolished upon ejection. I boxed it up and took it back to the gun store. They gave me my money back and stopped carrying CMMG rifles because they had so many issues with them.

    Not slander just experience.
     
    I’ve used lots of their parts.
    Never an issue.
    Their LPK’s typically have at least an ok trigger pull.
     
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    I have used an upper reviver and sights from them. They were ok.
     
    Five years is a long time in the AR15 world.