Follow through with 30-06

[martindut]

Hi. I have a Sako 30-06 which I mainly use for hunting, but I also like to shoot it on the range. I have a serious problem keeping the scope on the target once fired and also find it difficult to find the target quickly after I have fired.
Am I doing doing something wrong, or is it just the nature of the beast which is the 30-06? I'm planning to fit a suppressor which I'm sure will reduce some of the recoil, but is there something else that I can do in the mean time?

Regards
Martin

 

[kraigWY]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

It's about your position, not the rifle/round.

Forget just laying the rifle on a sandbag or bipod, lining her up and letting her rip.

It's about a good solid position that gives you a natural point of aim, and allows you to fall back to your natural point of aim after recoil.

You need to find someone to help you develope a position that fits you.

Lots of good schools/instructors out there, some pretty expensive, some not.

Appleseed will help, CMP GSM Clinics are better as they normally deal with heavier calibers where Appleseed mostly uses 22s. Those two, especielly the CMP Clinics are rather in-expensive. (My club charged $5 for the clinic followed by a match). Taught by CMP GSM Master Instructors.

Barring that, go to the CMP Website (bookstore section of their e-store and get a copy of the USAMU Service Rifle Guide. You don't have to shoot high power to benifit from this book. It deals with positions and other fundamentals, written by the best shooters in the world. Best $6.95 you'll spend in dealing with rifle shooting.

https://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalog/c...note5=&max=

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: martindut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi. I have a Sako 30-06 which I mainly use for hunting, but I also like to shoot it on the range. I have a serious problem keeping the scope on the target once fired and also find it difficult to find the target quickly after I have fired.
I'm I doing doing something wrong, or is it just the nature of the beast which is the 30-06? I'm planning to fit a suppressor which I'm sure will reduce some of the recoil, but is there something else that I can do in the mean time?

Regards
Martin </div></div>

Shoulders perpendicular to barrel, come straight back on the trigger and stay with the rifle thru recoil. There are a few videos on youtube done by Lowlight and Rifles Only that demonstrate the proer technique. They are excerpts from some of the On-line training lessons. Also, i highly recommend you sign up for the On-line training.

 

[OneShotJim]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

Thanks for the link to the Service Rifle Marksmanship Guide. Just ordered.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

I shot this video yesterday and threw it together last night. Me shooting a 20" AI AX in 338LM

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/f5bZUm681Ys" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

As you can see the rifle does not move much the recoil is controlled by the position, to include following through.

 

[bohem]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

What Frank didn't tell you was he's press checking to make sure that those recoil-free blanks fed properly

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Frank didn't tell you was he's press checking to make sure that those recoil-free blanks fed properly

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I pull the bullets and put a .22 in there with an extension on the firing pin.

 

[Timo Turl]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: martindut</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi. I have a Sako 30-06 which I mainly use for hunting, but I also like to shoot it on the range. I have a serious problem keeping the scope on the target once fired and also find it difficult to find the target quickly after I have fired.
Am I doing doing something wrong, or is it just the nature of the beast which is the 30-06? I'm planning to fit a suppressor which I'm sure will reduce some of the recoil, but is there something else that I can do in the mean time?

Regards
Martin </div></div>

Don't have the scope turned to 22x mag at 100 yrds

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

Not to get side tracked, but Frank, how does a 20" 338LM compare with a 27" at longer distances (> 1000y)?
I saw you used your 27" AWSM for the XLR class at 1500m, what would the result be with a 20"?

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

I actually ran the numbers during this outing and used the Magneto Chronograph to compare.

Shooting 250gr Scenars loaded from SouthWest Ammo, the MV was 2750fps,

Shooting 285gr Hornady factory loads, the MV was 2675fps

That means with the 20" 338 shooting 285gr bullets you should be able to reach 1800 yards in CO (5000ft) and still be at 1200fps. (according to JBM)

Those are real numbers for this rifle. FYI there was a Shooter at the XLR Class with a 20" AX, he had fun.

 

[bohem]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What Frank didn't tell you was he's press checking to make sure that those recoil-free blanks fed properly

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I pull the bullets and put a .22 in there with an extension on the firing pin. </div></div>

Oh, good idea... I need one of those kits.

 

[9H_Cracka]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

So, the lesson here is you should expect an 8 pound unbraked 30-06 conventional hunting rifle to behave as well or better than a 16 lb braked 338LM low center line bullpup firmly anchored in position with a bipod and rear bag when it comes to recovery back on target.

Did I get that right?

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H_Cracka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, the lesson here is you should expect an 8 pound unbraked 30-06 conventional hunting rifle to behave as well or better than a 16 lb braked 338LM low center line bullpup firmly anchored in position with a bipod and rear bag when it comes to recovery back on target.

Did I get that right? </div></div>

If you do your part correctly, neither will "jump around". You know you've done everything correctly if the target remains visible in your scope after the recoil pulse is over. Drive thru recoil, don't "disengage from the gun" and you'll be able to manage the recoil much better.

I have done this on my buddy's Remington 700 ADL 30-06 (7.5 lbs rifle) for about 20 rounds in prone and sitting position. It works, after pulling the trigger , the gun stayed on target and didn't "jump around".

 

[martindut]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

Thanks for all the advise.

Where can I get detailed instructions to do as jpspeeddemon said to "Drive thru recoil"

Thanks
Martin

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

These are free excerpts of the on-line training. A lot of detials are left out, but you can get the idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndc_NVGEt24&feature=related

I suggest you subscribe to the on-line training, they will teach you how to properly shoot your rifle. There is about 42 lessons between 5-10 minutes in length on the various fundementals of shooting a precision rifle.

 

[martindut]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

I'm really want to subscribe to the online training, but I must admit, when I convert the price to ZAR (about R8/$), it is way to much for my budget at this stage. Is there a way to buy individual lessons, because I'm really desperate to get my hands on some of these lessons?

 

[jpspeeddemon]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

check out all the youtube videos by Hidetraining or SHlowlight

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H_Cracka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, the lesson here is you should expect an 8 pound unbraked 30-06 conventional hunting rifle to behave as well or better than a 16 lb braked 338LM low center line bullpup firmly anchored in position with a bipod and rear bag when it comes to recovery back on target.

Did I get that right?</div></div>

Not quite but very close...

In the Online Training we actually did a video with a conventional hunting rifle, a friggin elephant gun in fact. Some crazy Weatherby thing, I have no clue but 4 rounds and you could feel it in Mexico. Like a 416 or something, so the principles are the same, the point is to ride the recoil and give the rifle something square and established to recoil against.

I mean if all 5ft of me with a total of 130lbs of dead weight can maintain a sight picture throughout the entire firing process using a 20" 338, then I think you can shoot a 30-06 equally as well, even unbaked.

 

[timelinex]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: _9H_Cracka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, the lesson here is you should expect an 8 pound unbraked 30-06 conventional hunting rifle to behave as well or better than a 16 lb braked 338LM low center line bullpup firmly anchored in position with a bipod and rear bag when it comes to recovery back on target.

Did I get that right?</div></div>

Not quite but very close...

In the Online Training we actually did a video with a conventional hunting rifle, a friggin elephant gun in fact. Some crazy Weatherby thing, I have no clue but 4 rounds and you could feel it in Mexico. Like a 416 or something, so the principles are the same, the point is to ride the recoil and give the rifle something square and established to recoil against.

I mean if all 5ft of me with a total of 130lbs of dead weight can maintain a sight picture throughout the entire firing process using a 20" 338, then I think you can shoot a 30-06 equally as well, even <span style="font-weight: bold">unbaked</span>. </div></div>

Finally franks secret to perfect recoil management is out. First you get baked and then the result is such delayed reactions that your follow through is perfect!

 

[Tac22]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

O-Kay this may be a stupid question but watching lowlights video and seeing practice vidsof Marine Recon Snipers I always seethem chamber the round fully and then open the bolt back upslightly then close it again.. Why?

 

[Sterling Shooter]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

OP,
You need to get some control over the rifle. Take a step back and rethink your relationship between the gun and the ground. Perhaps, you may want to dump the bipod for awhile and support the hand-guard with the non-firing hand, using sandbags to assist bone support.

Your process might be something like this: first shoulder the rifle bringing the stock to the head rather than the head to the stock. Align eyeball to eyepiece cognisant of the 5 factors of a steady position but without consideration for the target, that's to say, build the position before adjusting NPA to the target. Once satisfied that you have a muscularly relaxed position then adjust NPA and re-evaluate eyeball/eyepiece consistency. Pull trigger smoothly and follow through, which is just continuing to aim until recoil has subsided. If the position was built properly you will be able to call your shot, knowing where the barrel was pointed as the bullet cleared the bore.

Initially, you may want to develop your ability to build a proper position with a rifle fitted with peep sights rather than a scope since the scope can easily distract you into a mindset where the only thing that's important is the target/reticle relationship. When this happens it can be difficult for the developing shooter to make any progress.

Kraig earlier mentioned some resources which may help you get off to a good start. Getting a coach is also important since a correct position will be so unnatural at first you may abandon it before realizing the support and comfort it can get you. A coach can assure your direction is on course.

 

[sled_mack]

Re: Follow through with 30-06

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tac22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">O-Kay this may be a stupid question but watching lowlights video and seeing practice vidsof Marine Recon Snipers I always seethem chamber the round fully and then open the bolt back upslightly then close it again.. Why? </div></div>

Press check. Confirm a round is in the chamber.