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Rifle Scopes Need an optic for Hungarian AMD65

Atti_Mac

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I don't want to spend $500-600 on the optic, and I can't see a 4" target from 200 yards, what I am shooting with my AMD and iron sight, so I was wondering if you guys can help me out to find a small scope 5-6X , W/WO red dot. I guess I will be happy with an illuminated reticle , but red dot is cool as well. I newer used red dot before , so I don't have any experience with it.
Thank You!
 
Re: Need an optic for Hungarian AMD65

Any of you are using a replica Acog ?
 
Re: Need an optic for Hungarian AMD65

since no one has answered and i have AKs,i'll try to help.

first,does your AMD have a side/optics rail? if not,you may want to consider installing one. most of the covers with a rail on it are just junk and won't hold zero and the only add-on rail i would really trust long term is the krebs custom rail system or a real polish beryl rail,although there might be one or two other systems out there now that might also work.

as for mounts,on an AK with a side rail,for rds(red dot sights) i prefer either the RS regulate,the MI(midwest industries) 30mm mount(MI-AKRD) or the russian PK-01V. all of these are high quality,made for 30mm tube rds specifically,repeatable,tough and place your rds low and centered over the bore(with the RS regulate being adjustable for centering).

for a scope mount using the side rail,the MI railed mount(MI-AKSM) is my first choice,it has a rail that goes from the back of the cover to almost reaching the rear sight so it should fit almost any scope(although you should still check what eye relief you need for the scope you'll use,most should be ok).

which optics to use AND your on a budget. first off,forget an acog clone and forget an aimpoint clone too(even as popular as they are,like the primary arms and about a million others,they are not serious tools). for a rds on a budget i'd recommend the bushnell zoom-dot($220)(used to be called millet) or a returned aimpoint,like the compM2($400). of the two,the bushnell zoom-dot is tougher(most people don't have the slightest clue on all the specs on it).

i'm of the opinion that there's no substitute for a rds in ease of use and speed under all conditions,including lighting conditions and walking/running and shooting at the same time for up close(say 200 or 300 meters and closer). BUT,you did say you can't see what your shooting at so i think your looking for a scope.

end of part 1.
 
Re: Need an optic for Hungarian AMD65

part 2.

in contrast to an AR-15 type where you might want to raise the scope a little by using medium or high rings,with the AK(if you really want a cheek weld),you want to do the opposite,rings as low as you can use. because of this and because of the rear stock sight,you want to judge properly the size of the objective bell the scope you buy has. in other words,you don't want to buy a scope only to find out that when mounting the objective bell hits the rear sight. you'll find that you can use the lowest rings from almost any make with almost any scope that has an objective size of 20 through about 32(judge carefully) with the MI-AKSM railed mount and have a really good,solid cheek weld(as opposed to a chin weld or no weld at all if using a scope with a bigger objective bell and then you have to use higher rings or a cheek riser,it's up to you). also,don't buy really cheap rings. example,the weaver tactical 6-hole picatinny low rings are not expensive but well made and GTG.(the MI-AKSM uses a picatinny rail)

now,on to the scope. do you know what type of zero you want to use? do you know what reticle you want or need? will you be dailing in your dope? will you be using hold-overs? all of these things are important because it has to do with what scope you get,what reticle it has and how repeatable the turret adjustments have to be.

end of part 2.
 
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part 3.

just as an example,lets say you prefer just to have a general battle zero(for 7.62x39) and you already know the bullet drop for a specific load you use. you can then zero the scope(center dot or cross-hair) to 200mm(or yards really) and you know you'll be a few inches high at 100(which you can easily compensate for if you want/need to),bulls eye at 200,aim for top of forehead at 300 to hit center chest and your GTG. or,lets say you zero at 235m and know your good for out to 300m without going up or down more than 6.2". or,you zero at 100 and then you use the elevation knob for drop(make sure your scope has enough for this,after you zero). for shooting like this,you don't need a special reticle,a german #4 will do(or a circle dot,simple cross-hairs,30-30 and others). with some of these simple reticles you can also range find but it may not be easy. to range find with reticles like this,you need to know the measurements within the reticle and to make sure it's true. some are made for range finding and some aren't(despite the name there given,..the manufacturer should know) and even when they are,they aren't the quickest to range find(unless your hunting deer and have a true 30-30 reticle and others,then it is quick). these reticles tend to be less distracting or cluttered too.

if you want to use a more precise reticle(for hold-overs for example),then you'll have to choose wisely,especially since so many of the special reticles out there are specifically made for 5.56 or 7.62x51(and even then to a specific barrel length and a specific load). most of them are not specifically for 7.62x39(or even 5.45x39). in which case you'll want a reticle that uses equally spaced hash marks in mils or moa and it can be very helpfull(or at least less confusing) if the knob adjustments match the reticle(either mil/mil or moa/moa),..and if you zero at 100m/yrd and want hold overs for out far,you'll need a verticle subtension with enough hash marks that will allow you to do that(because of the specific bullet drop of 7.62x39)(most do not have enough if you zero at 100).

end of part 3.
 
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part 4.

what scope for AK below $500? in reality there's about a thousand that you can choose,you just have to know what you want or what's important to you. however,if you want to avoid junk scopes,that can be trickier in the low price range. here are a few options but in the end it's up to you.

some AK fans like the russian scopes. if you go to kalinkaoptics.com you'll find many scopes to choose from,including some that have the simonov 400m reticle that is specific for 7.62x39,although you can use the 1000m dragunov reticle with 7.62x39 too,even though it was made for 7.62x54. both of these reticles have the best,simplest,quickest and easiest rang-finding capabilities you'll see anywhere compared to any reticle in any other scopes from any make regardless of price.

the optical qualities of these russian scopes tend to be fairly good with pretty good image quality and the knobs tend to track true and overall quality is also fairly good and some have knobs that actually look REALLY good and have return to zero,just find the one you like and withing your budget. they also look "correct" on an AK,especially from the collector view point. imo,4x or 5x magnification is good enough for 7.62x39 with maybe 6x good enough for 5.45x39. overall russian optics tend to be pretty tough and rustic looking.

however,i do take a couple of issues with these russian scopes. first,they all tend to sit really high,so bye bye cheek weld unless you use a cheek riser and even then it may not be enough(by the way,amd65tech.com makes a tough cheek riser which you'll want if you have the wire stock and want a cheek weld to use with a scope anyway,but it won't compensate for a really high mounted scope). second,the technology they use tends to be a few decades behind,in fact,some of their technology is based from older german optics technology which they have advanced BUT,don't let this fool you,it doesn't necessarily mean squat if it works for you better than another(western)scope and actually some of their optics are really rather advanced and even offer some advantages(rakurs,kashtan or PK-AS for example with tritium insert which make them day/black night/green useable and/or lenses with a prism effect that will give you an incredible FOV,all you see is the really wide FOV and a small,black,thin ring(scope body) and your target,..very nice). third,and this is my biggest gripe,they have a poor warranty,..sure,if it breaks when you buy it they will take care of you but what about 1 year down the road,or 2 years,5 years. basically your SOL.

end of part 4.
 
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part 5.

that leaves western scopes and i use this term very loosely because the parts in them can come from china,korea,philippines and others,not just from the "west". basically,the truth is,as long as you take into account what limits you have and whatever it is you prefer,you can put on your AK any scope you want,from a new bushnell elite tactical 1-6.5x24 or swfa ss 1-6x24 or 1-4x24 which are way over your budget,..all they way to a POS sightmark 1-6x24 which i won't recommend even though i've never tried it.

if it seems to good to be true(for the price) it probably isn't good. your not going to get a 6x errector scope on your budget that i would trust to be of good or even decent quality,even without "bells and whistles". however,you can get a decent quality scope with a 4x or 3x errector and maybe some decent glass and maybe even with some "bells and whisltes".

here are a few that are within your budget and also have a small enough objective bell to mount as low as possible.

millet dms 1-4x24(the big donut might get in your way for what you want,but is great for up close "CQB".
mueller 1-4x24 speed shot(this one may be one of the least expensive variables that has a reticle(a dot) that is actually bright daylight visible)
falcon menace 1.5-5x30IR(this one has a very usefull reticle if you want to zero at 100 and have 72" worth of hash marks down with a circle to lead your eye,the power ring is also very nice and extremely smooth,feels quality)
burris tac30 1-4x24(has a reticle not specific for you and that may be very irritating but it's decent quality for price)
hawke 1-4x24 and 1.25-4.5x24(i've never even handled one of these but i hear they are japanese made and might be of decent quality,i believe they use a german #4)
leatherwood cmr 1-4x24(it has a very specialized reticle not for your caliber and might be difficult to learn hold-overs that you will probably find extremely irritating but should be decent quality otherwise)

there are many others but these tend to stand out in value within a certain budget. you can also save some more money and get a leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20. if the size of the objective bell was not an issue and if you needed a higher mag range,i would have also suggested saving a bit more and getting a zeiss 3-9x40,which for $500 is great value with great glass and quality but not much else. the minox ZA5 1.5-8x32 also seems good value and will have great glass and a 5x errector and just under your budget.

i can't believe a wrote this much. 5.7 2 GO is probably long gone by now,BWAHAHAHA. well,i hope it helps some other AK fan anyway.
 
Re: Need an optic for Hungarian AMD65

Thank You so much for the lot's of info! I bought a TXS rail for now, because I had no chance to attach a side rail. I got a cheap scope to try it out, and I like it so far, but I might sell the whole thing, and will buy an AR-47
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