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The first 4 minutes are describing (inaccurately) the British system. A strawman is a logical fallacy based on misrepresenting your position, you do not have a legal strawman. The video also moves from describing the British system, to a guy in Canada, to America. Tying the three together into a cohesive argument is problematic at best. It also doesn't say "Bank of Canada" on that guys birth certificate it says "Canadian Bank Note Company Ltd." who creates the design and prints them for the Canadian .gov.
It is just screwball fiction.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first 4 minutes are describing (inaccurately) the British system. A strawman is a logical fallacy based on misrepresenting your position, you do not have a legal strawman. The video also moves from describing the British system, to a guy in Canada, to America. Tying the three together into a cohesive argument is problematic at best. It also doesn't say "Bank of Canada" on that guys birth certificate it says "Canadian Bank Note Company Ltd." who creates the design and prints them for the Canadian .gov.
It is just screwball fiction.


</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The best slaves are those who don't know they're enslaved"</div></div>

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dafuq did i just watch?

I've had enough of this kind of sovereign citizen the government is secretly out to get us bullshit. You don't like the U.S? get the hell out.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dafuq did i just watch?

I've had enough of this kind of sovereign citizen the government is secretly out to get us bullshit. You don't like the U.S? get the hell out. </div></div>

Spoken like a true...er...ah...

SLAVE

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We live in a country with rules. Those rules depend on an economic system of production and consumption using an abstract medium of exchange.

Other economic system are similar (communism, for example.) The difference is that in America you have the ability to lawfully attain personal wealth - but only if you are smart enough and diligent enough to play by (and use to your advantage) the rules that exist and apply to all citizens.

You want to take yourself outside the system? Go off the grid? Not pay your fair share of taxes?

Go for it. But don't be so stupid as to believe that you are somehow 'better' than those of us who - either by choice or by chance - make up the majority of hard-working, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens of this great country.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We live in a country with rules. Those rules depend on an economic system of production and consumption using an abstract medium of exchange.

Other economic system are similar (communism, for example.) The difference is that in America you have the ability to lawfully attain personal wealth - but only if you are smart enough and diligent enough to play by (and use to your advantage) the rules that exist and apply to all citizens.

You want to take yourself outside the system? Go off the grid? Not pay your fair share of taxes?

Go for it. But don't be so stupid as to believe that you are somehow 'better' than those of us who - either by choice or by chance - make up the majority of hard-working, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens of this great country. </div></div>

You missed the point.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We live in a country with rules. Those rules depend on an economic system of production and consumption using an abstract medium of exchange.

Other economic system are similar (communism, for example.) The difference is that in America you have the ability to lawfully attain personal wealth - but only if you are smart enough and diligent enough to play by (and use to your advantage) the rules that exist and apply to all citizens.

You want to take yourself outside the system? Go off the grid? Not pay your fair share of taxes?

Go for it. But don't be so stupid as to believe that you are somehow 'better' than those of us who - either by choice or by chance - make up the majority of hard-working, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens of this great country. </div></div>

You missed the point. </div></div>How so?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We live in a country with rules. Those rules depend on an economic system of production and consumption using an abstract medium of exchange.

Other economic system are similar (communism, for example.) The difference is that in America you have the ability to lawfully attain personal wealth - but only if you are smart enough and diligent enough to play by (and use to your advantage) the rules that exist and apply to all citizens.

You want to take yourself outside the system? Go off the grid? Not pay your fair share of taxes?

Go for it. But don't be so stupid as to believe that you are somehow 'better' than those of us who - either by choice or by chance - make up the majority of hard-working, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens of this great country. </div></div>

You missed the point. </div></div>How so? </div></div>

First of all, no one in the video used the word "better" so get off that one. Did you sign your birth certificate? No, I didnt think so. Yet that is held as a contract' between you and the government...without it, anymore, you cant get a SSI, drivers liscense, and cant vote. All things you need or want to do. And all based on a contract you didnt sign. You are held accountable fotr the national debt, which, I for one, didnt agree to. I run my personal life debt free....pay as I go. It works for me....doesnt seem to work for the government as we are now how many trillions in debt and its growing every day...yet im responsible for that. Its not abount not doing your part...its about being held accountable for 'parts' you didnt agree to.. And it all boils down to a number that someone else assigned to you at birth, without your permission. Want a passport...try getting one with out a number. And its all used to controll the masses. Slowly turn them into a bunch of indoctrinated zombies, afraid to step out of line, or speak up for themselves. Wage slaves. But it really goes deeper than even that. Go back and find the thread about the Rothschild family. Study it for a while then talk to me.

Nothing against decent hard working folks, Im one of them...worked for many years as a stonemaason...hard physical labor. I dont need a piece of paper to prove that Im alive. Just fuck with me and Ill let you know.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dafuq did i just watch?

I've had enough of this kind of sovereign citizen the government is secretly out to get us bullshit. You don't like the U.S? get the hell out. </div></div>

The POINT and FOUNDATION of the U.S. is/was individual sovereignty...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SniperCJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I stopped watching at "Black's Law Book". Any time THAT comes out youre dealing with 'Constitutionalists" or 'Sovereign Citizens".

Here's another video of thos POS types

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw </div></div>

Lets make it clear, that I in no way advocqqte or encourage violence. I do however, encourage knowing the truth about whats going on. Apparently you dont want to take the time to learn. Your loss.
 
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Well i guess that means since you werent around to sign the constitution, then you arent granted the freedoms and liberties therein.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well i guess that means since you werent around to sign the constitution, then you arent granted the freedoms and liberties therein. </div></div>

How did you make that leap? What point are you arguing?
 
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i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.
 
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I suppose anarchy is better?

Establishment is required for a functioning entity. If the government didn't require your life registration, regulation would be impossible.

Sure, things worked before without this system, but the world was a much smaller place then. Think, at the very core of our society, the beginning of our country, was theft. Who was there to stop western Europeans from taking land and forcing native Americans off of their own soil when and because they had no system of existence?

And you wonder why our jobs are going to illegal immigrants.

Edit: In the crudest terms I can think of: You don't exist on paper? Finders keepers.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

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Valid point. Let me ponder it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

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Valid point. Let me ponder it.</div></div>

It's not a valid point at all. It's an attempt at an abstractly-formed syllogism calling on chronology of events, as the (later) effect relates to a (previous) cause, when the documents demand totally different things and are even given for different reasons; it's a logical fallacy as the relationship necessary to understand the idea has not been established in the premise of his argument. The argument AGAINST the birth certificate is that it places undue, and unwanted, aspects of life on the "citizen" due to the continued ignorance of society. This holds no water in terms of the Constitution as the Constitution expounds on RIGHTS of the citizen, and the duty of the legally elected government to secure those rights. Big fuckin' difference, eh?

The Founders signed a document KNOWING what it was intended to mean, as they wrote it. Our parents sign a BC, not knowing what it might intend or affect, as the perception of need for a BC is manufactured in fact, abused in spirit, and indeed, in some cases, places a person into a situation which they would not have agreed to in the first place.

That being said, I'm not getting up in arms because some paper company hid its name in a design.

"If you don't like America, leave"? PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT. What a pea-brained attempt at refutation. In fact, the "sovereign" types love what America is supposed to be and merely question the mountain of erroneous cases, laws, and directions this country is taking. It doesn't take a friggin genius to do a little reading and realize how off-track we are in comparison to what we once were, and where we were going.

Leave? And go where? The backlash here in America is because this is generally the last country on earth that has the ability, by the Constitution, to affect a bit of true progress from the regress so often called progress.

No one said anything about disliking the US. What is being discussed is the necrophilia game the politicians and banks play with America's rotting corpse.

FWIW, as an aside, just the top 5 banks in the US have over 238 Trillion dollars in debt. The top 20 brings the number to laughable sci-fi proportions. Folks, there ain't that much actual money in the world. No matter what, we're going down and all our birth certificates, from the American Bank Note Company or not, will be about as useful as tinder or TP.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

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Valid point. Let me ponder it.</div></div>

It's not a valid point at all. It's an attempt at an abstractly-formed syllogism calling on chronology of events, as the (later) effect relates to a (previous) cause, when the documents demand totally different things and are even given for different reasons; it's a logical fallacy as the relationship necessary to understand the idea has not been established in the premise of his argument. The argument AGAINST the birth certificate is that it places undue, and unwanted, aspects of life on the "citizen" due to the continued ignorance of society. This holds no water in terms of the Constitution as the Constitution expounds on RIGHTS of the citizen, and the duty of the legally elected government to secure those rights. Big fuckin' difference, eh?

The Founders signed a document KNOWING what it was intended to mean, as they wrote it. Our parents sign a BC, not knowing what it might intend or affect, as the perception of need for a BC is manufactured in fact, abused in spirit, and indeed, in some cases, places a person into a situation which they would not have agreed to in the first place.

That being said, I'm not getting up in arms because some paper company hid its name in a design.

"If you don't like America, leave"? PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT. What a pea-brained attempt at refutation. In fact, the "sovereign" types love what America is supposed to be and merely question the mountain of erroneous cases, laws, and directions this country is taking. It doesn't take a friggin genius to do a little reading and realize how off-track we are in comparison to what we once were, and where we were going.

Leave? And go where? The backlash here in America is because this is generally the last country on earth that has the ability, by the Constitution, to affect a bit of true progress from the regress so often called progress.

No one said anything about disliking the US. What is being discussed is the necrophilia game the politicians and banks play with America's rotting corpse.

FWIW, as an aside, just the top 5 banks in the US have over 238 Trillion dollars in debt. The top 20 brings the number to laughable sci-fi proportions. Folks, there ain't that much actual money in the world. No matter what, we're going down and all our birth certificates, from the American Bank Note Company or not, will be about as useful as tinder or TP. </div></div>

^^^^^^^Couldnt have said it better myself.

One, the constitution, is about guaranteeing rights and freedom. The others, are about controlling the masses.

Big difference.
 
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This.

How did breast cancer survivor Lisa Lindsay end up behind bars? She didn't pay a medical bill -- one the Herrin, Ill., teaching assistant was told she didn't owe. "She got a $280 medical bill in error and was told she didn't have to pay it," The Associated Press reports. "But the bill was turned over to a collection agency, and eventually state troopers showed up at her home and took her to jail in handcuffs."

Although the U.S. abolished debtors' prisons in the 1830s, more than a third of U.S. states allow the police to haul people in who don't pay all manner of debts, from bills for health care services to credit card and auto loans. In parts of Illinois, debt collectors commonly use publicly funded courts, sheriff's deputies, and country jails to pressure people who owe even small amounts to pay up, according to the AP.

[Related: 5 Strategies to Pay Down Credit Card Debt]

Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit. That loophole has lawmakers in the Illinois House of Representatives concerned enough to pass a bill in March that would make it illegal to send residents of the state to jail if they can't pay a debt. The measure awaits action in the senate.

"Creditors have been manipulating the court system to extract money from the unemployed, veterans, even seniors who rely solely on their benefits to get by each month," Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan said last month in a statement voicing support for the legislation. "Too many people have been thrown in jail simply because they're too poor to pay their debts. We cannot allow these illegal abuses to continue."

Debt collectors typically avoid filing suit against debtors, a representative with the Illinois Collectors Association tells the AP. "A consumer that has been arrested or jailed can't pay a debt. We want to work with consumers to resolve issues," he said.

Yet Illinois isn't the only state where residents get locked up for owing money. A 2010 report by the American Civil Liberties Union that focused on only five states -- Georgia, Louisiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Washington -- found that people were being jailed at "increasingly alarming rates" over legal debts. Cases ranged from a woman who was arrested four separate times for failing to pay $251 in fines and court costs related to a fourth-degree misdemeanor conviction, to a mentally ill juvenile jailed by a judge over a previous conviction for stealing school supplies.

According to the ACLU: "The sad truth is that debtors' prisons are flourishing today, more than two decades after the Supreme Court prohibited imprisoning those who are too poor to pay their legal debts. In this era of shrinking budgets, state and local governments have turned aggressively to using the threat and reality of imprisonment to squeeze revenue out of the poorest defendants who appear in their courts."

[Related: Spring Cleaning for Your Financial Records]

Some states also apply "poverty penalties," including late fees, payment plan fees, and interest when people are unable to pay all their debts at once, according to a report by the New York University's Brennan Center for Justice. Alabama charges a 30 percent collection fee, for instance, while Florida allows private debt collectors to add a 40 percent surcharge on the original debt. Some Florida counties also use so-called collection courts, where debtors can be jailed but have no right to a public defender.

"Many states are imposing new and often onerous 'user fees' on individuals with criminal convictions," the authors of the Brennan Center report wrote. "Yet far from being easy money, these fees impose severe -- and often hidden -- costs on communities, taxpayers, and indigent people convicted of crimes. They create new paths to prison for those unable to pay their debts and make it harder to find employment and housing as well to meet child-support obligations."

Such practices, heightened in recent years by the effects of the recession, amount to criminalizing poverty, say critics in urging federal authorities to intervene. "More people are unemployed, more people are struggling financially, and more creditors are trying to get their debt paid," Madigan told the AP.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

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Valid point. Let me ponder it. </div></div>

You cannot believe in the constitution and what comes from your birth certificate at the same time - because believing in the constitution negates the bullshit that is trying to be done with the birth certificate

also the constitution gives liberty and freedom - the birth certificate bondage and slavery - they are completely opposite - subscribing to one and not the other is not based upon who signed it - but upon what principles they themselves are founded on

as for the comment about disliking sovereign citizens / constitutionalists - your also saying you dislike the founding fathers - and everything they stood and fought for - therefor you dislike the very core of the one thing that made America great so long ago - i guess ....based on your comment you would be happier living in a socialist state? Maybe China would fit you well?

Its so sad...watching slaves argue about how great it is to be a slave and attack the others who are trying to help them...so sick and twisted - I pray you wake up before its too late
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

</div></div>

Valid point. Let me ponder it. </div></div>

You cannot believe in the constitution and what comes from your birth certificate at the same time - because believing in the constitution negates the bullshit that is trying to be done with the birth certificate

also the constitution gives liberty and freedom - the birth certificate bondage and slavery - they are completely opposite - subscribing to one and not the other is not based upon who signed it - but upon what principles they themselves are founded on

as for the comment about disliking sovereign citizens / constitutionalists - your also saying you dislike the founding fathers - and everything they stood and fought for - therefor you dislike the very core of the one thing that made America great so long ago - i guess ....based on your comment you would be happier living in a socialist state? Maybe China would fit you well?

Its so sad...watching slaves argue about how great it is to be a slave and attack the others who are trying to help them...so sick and twisted - I pray you wake up before its too late </div></div>
Yeah, WE need to wake up.
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Make sure you pick up some Ray Bans so the Men in Black can't zap your memory.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Intrepid4576</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HSNARC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i made the leap when Maggot said he wasnt around to sign his birth certificate. According to him having a birth certificate somehow contractually obligates you to pay back the national debt. I just think its funny that he didnt sign up for the constitution but i assume he doesnt have any problem with the benifits (freedoms and liberties) he gets from it.

</div></div>

Valid point. Let me ponder it. </div></div>

You cannot believe in the constitution and what comes from your birth certificate at the same time - because believing in the constitution negates the bullshit that is trying to be done with the birth certificate

also the constitution gives liberty and freedom - the birth certificate bondage and slavery - they are completely opposite - subscribing to one and not the other is not based upon who signed it - but upon what principles they themselves are founded on

as for the comment about disliking sovereign citizens / constitutionalists - your also saying you dislike the founding fathers - and everything they stood and fought for - therefor you dislike the very core of the one thing that made America great so long ago - i guess ....based on your comment you would be happier living in a socialist state? Maybe China would fit you well?

Its so sad...watching slaves argue about how great it is to be a slave and attack the others who are trying to help them...so sick and twisted - I pray you wake up before its too late </div></div>
Yeah, WE need to wake up.
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Make sure you pick up some Ray Bans so the Men in Black can't zap your memory. </div></div>

Now we know what Grimm looks like. But who is the guy on the left?
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And this....is how much your government respects all your hard work and savings. Medicare is in the same boat.




WASHINGTON (AP) -- High energy prices and an economy that has been slow to rebound are worsening Social Security's finances, shortening the life of the trust funds that support program by three years, the government said Monday.

Those trust funds will now run dry in 2033, according to a report issued by the trustees that oversee the massive retirement and disability program.

Medicare's hospital insurance fund is projected to run out of money in 2024, which is unchanged from last year. The trustees, however, said Medicare spending continues to rise.

Congress enacted a 2 percent cut in Medicare last year, which is the main reason the trust fund exhaustion date did not advance.

If the Social Security and Medicare funds ever become exhausted, the nation's two biggest benefit programs would collect only enough money in payroll taxes to pay partial benefits.

The trustees said in their annual report that Congress should address the programs as soon as possible, but no action is likely before the November election.

"Lawmakers should not delay addressing the long-run financial challenges facing Social Security and Medicare," the trustees wrote. "If they take action sooner rather than later, more options and more time will be available to phase in changes so that the public has adequate time to prepare."

Social Security's finances worsened in part because high energy prices suppressed wages, a trend the trustees see as continuing. The trustees said they expect workers to work fewer hours than previously projected, even after the economy recovers.

This year's cost-of-living-adjustment, or COLA, was also higher than expected. That was good news for seniors, who saw their benefits increase by 3.6 percent, but it drained more resources from Social Security.

The trustees project a 1.8 percent COLA for next year, though the actual amount won't be set until October.

Social Security is split into two funds — one for retirement and survivor benefits and one for disability. The retirement fund is projected to run out of money in 2035 while the disability fund is projected to run dry in 2016.

The trustees who oversee Social Security are urging Congress to shore up the disability system by reallocating money from the retirement program, just as lawmakers did in 1994.

Combined, the two funds will last until 2033. If they run dry, payroll taxes would cover about 75 percent of benefits.

"This year's trustees report contains troubling but not unexpected projections about Social Security's finances," said Social Security Commissioner Michael J. Astrue. "It once again emphasizes that Congress needs to act to ensure the long-term solvency of this important program, and needs to act within four years to avoid automatic cuts to people receiving disability benefits."

The trustees also warned that their own Medicare projections could be too rosy. Based on current law, they assume cuts in payments to doctors that Congress routinely waives will actually take place. They also assume President Barack Obama's health care law will squeeze the full amount of its $500 billion cuts from the program.

"Medicare's actual future costs are highly uncertain and are likely to exceed those shown ...in this report," the trustees said.

The trustees who oversee the programs are Astrue, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. There are also two public trustees, Charles Blahous and Robert Reischauer.

More than 56 million retirees, disabled workers, spouses and children receive Social Security. The average retirement benefit is $1,232 a month; the average monthly benefit for disabled workers is $1,111.

About 50 million people are covered by Medicare, the medical insurance program for older Americans.

Calling Social Security and Medicare the "twin pillars of retirement security in this country," Geithner said "it is critical that reforms are slowly phased-in over time so current beneficiaries are not affected and future beneficiaries do not experience precipitous changes."

Obama's health care law is supposed to trim Medicare expenses by $500 billion, extending the life of the program. But many Republicans doubt the savings will materialize.

On Social Security, Obama has not proposed any comprehensive plan to address the system.

Social Security is financed by a 6.2 percent tax on the first $110,100 in wages. It is paid by both employers and workers. Congress temporarily reduced the tax on workers to 4.2 percent for 2011 and 2012, though the program's finances are being made whole through increased government borrowing.

The Medicare tax rate is 1.45 percent on all wages, paid by both employees and workers.