i was shooting this morning from 700-850 yards with 15mph wind where i was shooting from. I typed all my shooting info into may ballistic program and calculated it. Every first shot i made was to the right foot and a half or two for granted the wind could be different at different places i was shooting across a huge river valley but about the same elevation from where i was shooting to were the rocks were. i could just adjust and make the hit but my goal is to make first round hits, any advice or information.
Range Report shooting in the wind
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Re: shooting in the wind
I think anyone is going to need more information from you on this. First thing would be what you were shooting? If it was a 308 a couple MPH error could give you this.
The question I would have to ask myself is am I an experienced enough shooter to really expect first round hits at 850 yards in a MPH wind?
I think anyone is going to need more information from you on this. First thing would be what you were shooting? If it was a 308 a couple MPH error could give you this.
The question I would have to ask myself is am I an experienced enough shooter to really expect first round hits at 850 yards in a MPH wind?
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Sounds like you have answered your own question. Sounds like you have been misjudging the wind. Wind at the target is rarely the same as your location.
As for advise. Be patient and question everything that happens with your shot.
Learn to use the environment. Dust, leaves, grass all give you information. Don't dial down for mirage. Max out your magnification instead. Mirage will tell you whats going on at the target.
If this gives you nothing then look at the terrain. What general direction is the wind coming from. Try to imagine the wind as a river going through the landscape. How will it move. Will it pick up speed or change direction.
Trust me. You are in for hours of fun
Sounds like you have answered your own question. Sounds like you have been misjudging the wind. Wind at the target is rarely the same as your location.
As for advise. Be patient and question everything that happens with your shot.
Learn to use the environment. Dust, leaves, grass all give you information. Don't dial down for mirage. Max out your magnification instead. Mirage will tell you whats going on at the target.
If this gives you nothing then look at the terrain. What general direction is the wind coming from. Try to imagine the wind as a river going through the landscape. How will it move. Will it pick up speed or change direction.
Trust me. You are in for hours of fun
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im shooting a 6x47 105 vld what i was shooting at was a clay bank with rocks no trees or grass in area down range except next to me i was shooting across a huge river to other bank, i checked the wind 5 different times and kept getting 15mph on my kestrel. It was cloudy out i had no mirage, the wind was a 90 degree.
im shooting a 6x47 105 vld what i was shooting at was a clay bank with rocks no trees or grass in area down range except next to me i was shooting across a huge river to other bank, i checked the wind 5 different times and kept getting 15mph on my kestrel. It was cloudy out i had no mirage, the wind was a 90 degree.
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Its hard to say. Except to stress again that the info your kestrel gives you is just a baseline.
If you are sure that you are feeding your pda correct information then there is only one place to lay the blame. The shooter.
One thing I see cause a lot of misses is canting the rifle. Just a couple of degrees is very hard to see and enough send you off target at 850yards
Its hard to say. Except to stress again that the info your kestrel gives you is just a baseline.
If you are sure that you are feeding your pda correct information then there is only one place to lay the blame. The shooter.
One thing I see cause a lot of misses is canting the rifle. Just a couple of degrees is very hard to see and enough send you off target at 850yards
Re: shooting in the wind
Wind is not a constant...
it ebbs and flows like waves at the beach.
so just because you read a number does not mean that translates across 100% of the bullet's flight.
Especially in a wind of 15MPH, the gusts were easily 4MPH if not a bit more. (I wasn't there so it is hard to say)
Wind is not a constant...
it ebbs and flows like waves at the beach.
so just because you read a number does not mean that translates across 100% of the bullet's flight.
Especially in a wind of 15MPH, the gusts were easily 4MPH if not a bit more. (I wasn't there so it is hard to say)
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Also a valley can act like a wind tunnel and accelerate the wind in the center, plus taking into account you are arching the bullet up into the higher faster wind can account for the bullet impact being off.
Also a valley can act like a wind tunnel and accelerate the wind in the center, plus taking into account you are arching the bullet up into the higher faster wind can account for the bullet impact being off.
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Thanks for the info I remembered that I didn't have my anti can't on yesterday it seemed to be level but I better put that back on, I'm going to go shoot later today and there is zero wind so I will see how much of an affect that wind had and see now where my bullet impacts are with very little wind.
Thanks for the info I remembered that I didn't have my anti can't on yesterday it seemed to be level but I better put that back on, I'm going to go shoot later today and there is zero wind so I will see how much of an affect that wind had and see now where my bullet impacts are with very little wind.
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So I put my anti can't back on went out to shoot tonight wind 2-3 mph left to right 90 deg put all my data into shooter program. 1st shot at 786 4.5 mils up and .5 mils left, shot was perfect elevation .5 mils right adjusted to 1 full mil, hit. Second rock 875 elevation perfect hit right again, set up target at 200 yards was shooting 2.5 inches right adjusted went back dialed again for 875 rock first shot hit. Three days before I had my scope off went and zeroed gun at 100 yards 1/4 inch group, Windage was perfect. Now shooting to the right 2.5 inches at 200.????
So I put my anti can't back on went out to shoot tonight wind 2-3 mph left to right 90 deg put all my data into shooter program. 1st shot at 786 4.5 mils up and .5 mils left, shot was perfect elevation .5 mils right adjusted to 1 full mil, hit. Second rock 875 elevation perfect hit right again, set up target at 200 yards was shooting 2.5 inches right adjusted went back dialed again for 875 rock first shot hit. Three days before I had my scope off went and zeroed gun at 100 yards 1/4 inch group, Windage was perfect. Now shooting to the right 2.5 inches at 200.????
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how about use you strap line and pray= philippians 4:13 I can do all things through christ who strengthens me. LOL
how about use you strap line and pray= philippians 4:13 I can do all things through christ who strengthens me. LOL
Re: shooting in the wind
Probably miss reading the wind but try this. Get a 100 yard target about 30 inches high, take a 4 foot level and draw a vertical line from top to bottom then put a bullseye on the bottom of the line. Shoot 3 shots with no dope on the scope ( you should hit the bullseye) now dial 10 mills of elevation and shoot at the same bullseye. Now your group should be on the line 10 mills (36") higher. If it hits either left or right of the line your scope is canted and you are dialing windage when you are dialing elevation
Probably miss reading the wind but try this. Get a 100 yard target about 30 inches high, take a 4 foot level and draw a vertical line from top to bottom then put a bullseye on the bottom of the line. Shoot 3 shots with no dope on the scope ( you should hit the bullseye) now dial 10 mills of elevation and shoot at the same bullseye. Now your group should be on the line 10 mills (36") higher. If it hits either left or right of the line your scope is canted and you are dialing windage when you are dialing elevation
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I will try that this week and see how that goes,thanks for the input.
I will try that this week and see how that goes,thanks for the input.
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I had the same problem. I am meticulous on mounting my optics and I tried that test and I was hitting 2 inches to the left of the line. For every mill of elevation I was also dialing .06 mills left windage. And it didn't take but a VERY VERY small amount of rotation to correct it
I had the same problem. I am meticulous on mounting my optics and I tried that test and I was hitting 2 inches to the left of the line. For every mill of elevation I was also dialing .06 mills left windage. And it didn't take but a VERY VERY small amount of rotation to correct it
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So let say I shoot that test I and I hit two inches left of the line, Should I rotate my scope clockwise or CCW? If I understand correctly.. by ajusting up on the turret, I actually lower my POI so my barrel is pointing higher when looking a the same spot.. thus, My scope moved to the right at the same time I adjusted it to look lower...my logic says I will have to rotate it CW... Am I correct?
Thx
Steph
So let say I shoot that test I and I hit two inches left of the line, Should I rotate my scope clockwise or CCW? If I understand correctly.. by ajusting up on the turret, I actually lower my POI so my barrel is pointing higher when looking a the same spot.. thus, My scope moved to the right at the same time I adjusted it to look lower...my logic says I will have to rotate it CW... Am I correct?
Thx
Steph
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GrantB so your saying that you had to turn the scope a little so it was level. So art you rotated your scope did you put any levels on it to see if everything looked level or were your levels off, how do you mount your scopes?
GrantB so your saying that you had to turn the scope a little so it was level. So art you rotated your scope did you put any levels on it to see if everything looked level or were your levels off, how do you mount your scopes?
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Yes, I have used the (store bought ) levels and they aren't accurate enough for this. I designed a jig that I use now that is accurate enough, it uses a machinest level. This level can read a .001" change at 6". The amount of adjustment necessary to correct the 2" off center was so little that I couldn't really see the scope move at all. There is no way of seeing the reticle canted with your eye.
Yes, I have used the (store bought ) levels and they aren't accurate enough for this. I designed a jig that I use now that is accurate enough, it uses a machinest level. This level can read a .001" change at 6". The amount of adjustment necessary to correct the 2" off center was so little that I couldn't really see the scope move at all. There is no way of seeing the reticle canted with your eye.
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Read this, it explains it better than I can.
www.scorehi.com/precision_scope_mounting.htm
Read this, it explains it better than I can.
www.scorehi.com/precision_scope_mounting.htm
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You can accomplish the same thing with the process I described above but its trial and error. It can get frustrating because I always move the scope too much. The jig gets it perfect without wasting ammo.
You can accomplish the same thing with the process I described above but its trial and error. It can get frustrating because I always move the scope too much. The jig gets it perfect without wasting ammo.
Re: shooting in the wind
Where did you get your jig from or did you make it?
Where did you get your jig from or did you make it?
Re: shooting in the wind
Any chance you can post pics of it or PM them to me?
Any chance you can post pics of it or PM them to me?
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