need 10-22 advice/ help

[mlh29]

I recently purchased a ruger 10-22 . It has the following done
tac sol barrel, extended mag release and stock.
Factory triger been cleaned up and springs replaced..about 3.75 lbs
using a weaver to9 base and warne perm attach rings

issues used a vx2 3x9x40 and cannot get anywhere close to a 25meter zero without shims under rear of base.
also one of the base screw holes was stripped when purchased..put a bushnell elite 3200 10 x on it and get zero without shims but parallax kills it..

new to the 10-22 platform and looking to fix quick at minimal cost.. intent is to use between 25 and 150 meters for accurate plinking/ small game
thinking 20 moa base, rethreadin base holes to 8x32( over 8x40 per some recommendations and ease of getting taps etc).. adjustable v block also what are decently priced ammo suggestions.. keep hearing cci mini mag with tac sol barrels?

looking for ideas and parts recommendations Thanks

 

[thickstrings]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

You could have barrel droop.....Get a gunsmither V-block or just puy somthing in the barrel channel,like a piece of inner tube or cardboard about a inch from the end....if you have the droop you'll need to pick up the end of the barrel as it probably has a sloppy fit..hence...p.o.a. goes down, down further than your scope goes....common 10/22 problem..don't own a tac-sol, but cci shoots decent in almost all 22's I like Wolf and SK...

 

[opelboy]

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i had this issue twice: 1. a one piece scope mount wasnt mounted right, a forward bolt thats supposed to sit in the bottom of one of the base mount grooves wasnt seated all the way down, it was stuck on the top of the mount. 2. two scope rings that werent the same size(med-high). came that way from the factory so i tried it even though it didnt look right...young n dumb. i would mount the leupold on another rifle to see if its the rifle or that scope.

 

[TenZero]

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Secret. If you want the best !0/22 mount, get a cantilever mount that is mounted to the barrel, not the receiver. A good smith will need to mount it correctly for you, but it will make your 10/22 shoot better than most. Receiver mounts, not so good.

 

[Early Cuyler]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mlh29</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
thinking 20 moa base, rethreadin base holes to 8x32( over 8x40 per some recommendations and ease of getting taps etc).. adjustable v block also what are decently priced ammo suggestions.. keep hearing cci mini mag with tac sol barrels?

looking for ideas and parts recommendations Thanks </div></div>

I have that same setup: 10/22 receiver and 16" TacSol barrel. I ALSO had that same problem (barrel droop).

<span style="text-decoration: underline">20 MOA rail</span>- great idea as when you start using it at 150, you'll want to go to 200+ just for fun
<span style="text-decoration: underline">Adjustable V-block</span>- I label this as snake oil. I installed it and torqued the v-block first THEN tried to raise the barrel. Didn't work and then I tried the reverse. Didn't work. The threaded bolt that is supposed to raise the barrel up just dug into the bottom of the barrel.

I ultimately gave up on the idea of a floated barrel and went the route suggested by thickstrings. I currently have a cardboard shim underneath the front of the barrel in the channel of the stock. I want to replace it with innertube and glue it in, but am hesitant as I've found the sweet spot accuracy wise (sub-moa at 50yds and moa at 100).

I guess if I want a kickass floated barrel 10/22 I'll have to get a full blown Kidd. But this'll do nicely until then.

 

[11B-B4]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TenZero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Secret. If you want the best !0/22 mount, get a cantilever mount that is mounted to the barrel, not the receiver. A good smith will need to mount it correctly for you, but it will make your 10/22 shoot better than most. Receiver mounts, not so good. </div></div>

ran one of these for many years....

Recently got a rimfire tech 20MOA base with the larger screws. That base is pretty solid and with a KIDD barrel you basically make the reciever and barrel one as the barrel extension is a damn near interference fit. I doubt my barrel is ever coming out again.

 

[thickstrings]

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I have used the adjustable v-block with sucess, but, I have never used them with a aluminium barrel , which I think tac-sol's are..still in all it is just a fix for a sloppy fit and may be too much torque...

 

[mlh29]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

Well I pulled it all apart today and looked it over. The barrel is a tight fit and barely wants to go in or out. I will be looking into a adjustable v block and a new base. The leupold and bushnell scopes were both proven before mounting to this.
Any links on a rimfire tech 20 moa base or v block? Thanks

 

[thickstrings]

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http://www.gunsmithertools.com/gunsmither-1022-elevation/ http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/10_22_20MOA_Picatinny_Scope_Rail_p/tpsr-020.htm Watch your torque on v-block screws,10-12 inch lbs and take down screw, 15-30...if the tac-sol barrel you have is aluminium, the adjustable v-block may dig into it as stated above ...

 

[nectoxicdragon]

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One of the issues that happens quite often with rebarreled 10/22s is the stock they are installed in. Longer than 16-18 inch barrels, droop is always a risk due to the short barrel stub and the aluminum receiver, Especially with lightweight nonsupported barrels. The ease with which the barrel is changed is part of the issue. Bedding the barrel will help this issue substantially providing the front of the barrel channel is supported during the process. Remember, Barrel whip may be predominant in higher power firearms, but this is essentally the same issue, but it is starting in the negative aspect and needs to be corrected to keep it in the positive.

 

[11B-B4]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

I installed a couple KIDD barrels with identical results.

Basically you have to oil the reciever ID and barrel shank. Then tap barrel into receiver ID about 1/8" hitting it with a dead blow or rubber mallet on the rear of the reciever (what KIDD suggests for full install)

I make a slight detour off his instructions as I dont want to be pounding the crap out of my receiver like John Henry.

After this I used the V block to install the barrel. Tedious but works well and you dont have to worry about damaging anything. Turn each screw 1/4 turn at a time until the barrel is sucked into the receiver.

There is NO possibility for barrel droop with a KIDD barrel it seems, unless your 10/22 receiver is way out of spec.

 

[ROGER4314]

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I'm ashamed to admit how many of the 10-22's I've built up. It's a sickness! The little critters will shoot great and it's real unusual to get one to foul up like that.

I never free float the bull barrels because the heavy bull barrel is just too much to ask the little aluminum receiver to support. The idea that every rifle must have a free floated barrel to shoot well is just nonsense! In fact, on my Remington 700's, there is a "lump" in the barrel inlet for the barrel to rest on. Removing that "lump" will degrade accuracy! Suggestion one....do not float that barrel.

You might also recheck the barrel attachment screws. Kidd barrels/equipment recommends only 10 inch pounds as torque on those bolts. I don't have anything that will measure down to 10 inch pounds so I use 20 inch pounds. That is not a lot of torque at all! Most guys twist those bolts so hard, they're ready to pop and it's a real bad idea.

Good luck with it!

Flash

 

[thickstrings]

Re: need 10-22 advice/ help

Now that i am thinking about it, The top of your receiver could be at fault. Ruger, made some with the top of the receiver sloped...not on purpose....could be why one of the screws was stripped...some one trying to get the base to sit down on a crooked top....I've seen where some have had the top machined flat to fix it. Just a thought.....try a straight edge on the top and take a look...a 20mm base could be a fix if it is the case, or the canteliver barrel mount as was suggested above. Ruger's spec's are about as tight as gang bangers pants...