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What constitutes a sticky bolt on an AR50?

Triggerhappy

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  • Feb 15, 2009
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    What constitutes a sticky bolt? I have started loading/shooting my new AR50 and have had a few, lighter loads even, that require a slight tap on the last 1/4" of the bolt rotation. There is no resistance up to that point. I am loading m33 re-sized bullets with IMR 5010 205-217grs. Thanks for any advice.
     
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    I have not shot the 50 for a bit now, but when I was doing loads sticky bolt felt like sticky bolt... Just like on any of my other rifles. If you know your load was light, i would say it is something else really. Which charges were getting sticky bolt?

    I was running 690 fmjs with 218g of 867 surplus. Went up to 225, but that is probably not very helpful. Again, I stopped at 225 because of good old fashioned sticky bolt. It was simply difficult to raise most of the way through, but I never had to use a mallet.

    Are there any other pressure signs on the brass or primers? Case prep and bullet sizing good to go? I could see an oversized or iffy projectile causing issues on light loads even.

     
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    Fully prepped cases and the bullets were all ran through the CH4D sizer twice. With 647 fmj using IMR5010 new production powder I had one out of five @ 205gr, 209gr, and 215gr but it was nothing more than a light bump with the palm of my hand at the top 1/4" of the bolt turn. I really did not think this was considered a sticky bolt, I HAVE HAD it stick on my Ultra Mags, I just thought the 50 bmg may be different. Thanks for the info.
     
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    I have the AR50 as well and even shooting factory American Eagle 660gr FMJ I have noticed that sometime the bolt is stickier than others.

    Have you shot any factory loaded ammo? Does it do it for them?
     
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    Factory ammo? What is that? No, I only buy factory ammo for my carry pieces.
     
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    So you can compare a reload to a factory round.
     
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    Stop shooting. Contact THE SENTINEL here on the hide. He bought some 5010 and it was WAY hotter than normal. We worked on it for several shooting sessions and found that it was around 20% hotter than regular 5010 if I can remember right. Also check to see if you have some decent lube on the bolt cam.
     
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    I am loading taking that into consideration, I knew that it is a hot batch of powder, but I may still contact him being that is who I got my reloading equipment from. My biggest question is if the bolt has no resistance until the top of the camming of the bolt is that considered to be sticky. I can lift the bolt with two fingers until that point. The velocity is running around 2835fps with the 212gr load with only one of five sticking.
     
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    Not to hijack or anything, but is this a normal occurance with the AR50's? I was at my local range and had a guy a few stalls down shooting his at the 100 yard line and noticed every time he'd rack it he'd have to basically slap the bolt handle. A few times he actually got it pretty dang stuck. I always wondered, does this happen often?
     
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    Shooter, a lot of times if you run surplus ammo you can run into hotter rounds that will cause the bolt to be difficult to open. that is probably what you were seeing here. Could have just been hotter hand loads than he thought too. Hard to say really though. A dirty chamber or something could even contribute a lot there.

    Powder lots can vary, and like Mechanic said, that could have been part of your issue triggerhappy. Surplus powder is especially bad. I never had much experience there with the 50 as I had one big order of 867 that i mixed together and did load workup (or I used good old H50bmg for the good rounds). If I bought more, I would do the same and rework the load for pressure.

    I ran probably 500 rounds through my ar50. Most were loaded by me since the surplus ammo can be spotty AND expensive. As long as I kept charges in the normal range I never had to smack anything. I will say that the bolt was always heavier than any of my other rifles, even when there was no round in it. It was huge for one lol, but it was never quite as smooth either. I am pretty sure that just comes down to how it is made. Keeping it greased well did help.

    I recently sold it to a friend, but if I remember right there was always a bit of resistance at the top of the bolt, even when empty. On mine it did feel different than when I had a hotter charged round. I do remember the bolt was stiffer the whole way through the throw, not just at the top.

    When I was doing load workup and got to the stiff bolt pressures, it was consistent as well. Pretty much every hot round past 225g of my wc867 with 690 fmj in my conditions would do it (there were 4 I think). Bolt was harder to get moving up from the lowest position even. When I backed it off i could feel a noticeable difference in the bolt lift.


    Stay safe and keep us posted.



     
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    Here is a little bit of what happens on firing. The case expands to fill the chamber and the base will contact and stop at the bolt face pushing the bolt against the bolt lugs. When you lift the handle it has to overcome the pressure of the now fired case pushing against the bolt face and putting force on the locking lugs. This is what "I" call hard bolt lift from pressure. OK so now as we lift the bolt we have now released some of the pressure of the case pushing on the lugs and the bolt will loosen a bit until the camming action now gets to the point that it contacts the extractor. At this point you will feel more resistance. In my opinion it is based on a few things. 1. is spring back of the case that frees the case from the chamber walls. 2. The roughness of the chamber that may be holding a case into the chamber. 3. A case that may be trimmed a little to long that is now stuffed up against the throat area. (this will also give you real high pressure).

    Check the cases that are difficult to extract and see if it is getting a little mark from the extractor. Also check the case itself for spring back (annealing) and also for scratches or rough marks indicating a rough chamber. All of this is easily fixable.
     
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    What if the area inside the bolt is really dirty, could that contribute? A bunch of crud getting pushed the whole way up collecting in a wad in the last quarter inch of travel?
     
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    It looks like the forecast is calling for rain and 90 deg. for the next week or so, I will not be taking it out for a while. After the responses I have read I have pretty much came to the conclusion that I am just a little PARANOID. I have been reloading for years and have had sticky bolts on magnum rifles and thought that the 50 BMG may be different but I am getting the impression that it is just the same only a larger gun. So to answer my own question I think it is not a sticky bolt but possibly just the camming of the bolt on a larger scale. It just turns too free in the first part to be from pressure.
     
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    Joined FCSA things are much clearer now. Was not having pressure problems, primer pocket problems, but not pressure. Thanks for all the input.