Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

[hydro556]

Guys, I have been tempted to do this in the past but have always gotten sidetracked for whatever reason. I even went as far as getting my C&R license last year, which was needed in MO for a can or SBR, etc. From what I understand that is no longer even required.

At any rate, here is my situation, hopefully you can guys can make sure I go about this in the most efficient manner, because what I hear, the wait on ATF is bad enough right now.

I am wanting to end up with a 10.5" (most likely) SBR. I have shot my buddies' Noveske 7.5 and 10.5 and both impressed the hell out of me. I will be training with it inside 100 and use for HD as well. I plan to suppress but want as compact as possible, so I think 10.5 is what I want.

I am not necessarily ready to buy the whole rig today, unless I ran across a great deal. So, to get the ball rolling, I am thinking I could buy a complete lower, or stripped lower if I cant find the right one complete. Then I could get my dealer to get the paperwork done, get CLEO signature and send that plus a $200 check to the ATF. Then, I could start shopping for the right upper. And hopefully by the time I got my approval, I would have everything together.

Does this seem like the most efficient way to get the ball rolling? Also, am I correct in assuming that if I find a nice upper, be it used or new, I can have it shipped right to my house, right, whether I have my SBR or not? Obviously, I would not be able to use it or even mount it until I get the SBR'd lower done and in hand.

Point being, I have disposable funds available to buy a complete lower or stripped, and start the process, then I can complete the rig as I wait on the ATF.

Am I missing anything? Any better routes for someone in this situation?

 

[cramey74]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

I have done exactly what you are talking about doing...I first bought my complete lower from LWRCI then took the lower to a fella that has a CNC Engraving machine..Sent off my fingerprints,passport photo,$200.00 ETC... to the ATF ..While waiting I bought a LWRCI M6A2 10.5 UPPER now I'm in the eternal wait cycle...The ATF cashed my check 1/21/12 so I should have my stamp back sometime late June...Now I am going to open a GUN TRUST so I can skip all the bullshit required with the CLEO....

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

you guys need to understand something... if you have the lower AND upper before the stamp is back...you're in "constructive possession" of an SBR...as far as the ATF is concerned you have an unregistered (illegal) NFA <span style="color: #FF0000"> </span> (had to fix this shit so the newb would feel better about "knowing" some FFL holder who paid the SOT) item.

 

[BOL556]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you guys need to understand something... if you have the lower AND upper before the stamp is back...you're in "constructive possession" of an SBR...as far as the ATF is concerned you have an unregistered (illegal) NRA item. </div></div>

The above statement is true unless you have a pistol lower that you can put the shorter upper on. Other option do everything with the lower and wait for the ATF to come back with the paperwork in the mean time research what you upper you want to go with or build one. Recently built a DD Mk18 upper and put it on a pistol lower until the paperwork comes back. The pistol config looks a lil stupid with a 10.3 inch barrel put at least I am legal. When all else fails cover your own a$$.

 

[cramey74]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you guys need to understand something... if you have the lower AND upper before the stamp is back...you're in "constructive possession" of an SBR...as far as the ATF is concerned you have an unregistered (illegal) NRA item. </div></div>

An unregistered (NRA item) You mean NFA Item right? I am well aware of the law I have a few friends whom are Class III Title II firearms dealers I do not have the SBR upper in my possession so I am not in violation of any law but thank you for your concern...

 

[hydro556]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you guys need to understand something... if you have the lower AND upper before the stamp is back...you're in "constructive possession" of an SBR...as far as the ATF is concerned you have an unregistered (illegal) NRA item. </div></div>

Yes, that is understood.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

well hell, you caught a typo... you must be a genius

 

[cramey74]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well hell, you caught a typo... you must be a genius </div></div>

Just bustin your balls is that allowed?

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

It is a good plan. Get a stripped lower. Mic the holes and mag well to make sure they are in spec (you're gonna be married to this one for life). Complete the form 1, send your $200 in. Stick in the safe and forget about it. Watch the equip exchange for deals on parts. About 4 months in, send it off to Orion Arms for engraving.

I have a 6933 and an F1 calico. I like the calico the best.


Good luck

 

[hydro556]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

I think I have decided how to at least get the ball rolling.

I filled out the paperwork, and did the fingerprinting to start the process to turn a complete Spikes lower I have into an SBR lower. Just gotta get the pictures and CLEO and send in the check. Hopefully by the end of next week.

While I was there I was admiring the M4-2000 suppressor. Going to do some research, but am thinking I will get that can, in 7.62 and get the process started for that stamp as well.

Then whatever upper I go with, I will have the appropriate muzzle device added to it for that AAC can. I will then buy a second AAC MD to screw onto my High Caliber Sales RECCE 5.56. I want the 7.62 can (as long as reviewers agree it is quiet "enough" on my 5.56's) so I can use it for a 300 blackout SBR upper I hope to get after I get the initial SBR process done on my Spikes lower. So, I could have QD attachment for 3 separate uppers
to use only one can.

Sheesh, this could get nasty.

 

[islandermyk]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

May I suggest on your FORM 1 on the length of barrel go the shortest route 5 inches or some sh*t. That way if you decide to mate a 7 inch barrel you would still be in the clear.
I've seen a registered SBR lower be transformed into a multi-cal system with a 22lr, 9mm, .45acp, .223/5.56.
Basically anything longer than the 5 inches you mark on you FORM 1 is good to go adding longer barrels, but you can't go any lower than 5 inches...
Hope you get what I'm saying.
I've also put out a FORM 1 for my Krinkov on a LLC, and my check was cashed on February... hoping to get it on August. I hate the long wait

 

[redrocksmarc]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: islandermyk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May I suggest on your FORM 1 on the length of barrel go the shortest route 5 inches or some sh*t. That way if you decide to mate a 7 inch barrel you would still be in the clear. </div></div>

On your form 1 or form 4 just put N/A in the length of the barrel and in the length of the gun. You can not leave it blank but you can put N/A and it will be approved.

You can also make your lower into a pistol with your short upper until the lower gets the stamp. As long as you make it as a pistol with out a butstock you can change it back to a rifle. You can not make a rifle a pistol but you can make your stripped pistol lower into a rifle or a SBR when you get your stamp.

 

[317millhand]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

I suggest just purchasing a factory built SBR, that is designed to run right out of the box. The wait is the same.

 

[Inzaneriderz]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

For what its worth I just got a stamp back last week for a suppressor (Form 4) that went pending at ATF October 16, 2011...again make sure whatever you put on your form for barrel length is appropriate for what your building... good luck, the wait can be killer! BUT way worth it when that form comes back some day

 

[L.E.S.]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

Once you have your approved Form 1 you can put any length barrel on it - shorter or longer. ATF does suggest that if it is a permanent change you send in a letter but that is not necessary.

The pistol route is ok but keep in mind for about the same price as a pistol buffer assembly you can get a cheap 16" barrel and at least shoot the gun while you're waiting. I've seen M4 contoured 16" barrels for $99. I've bought many and cut them and/or used them for dedicated 22 uppers but I have no doubt they'd be ok shooters.

The whole pistol receiver route often raises some concern as unless you absolutely know the origin and history, it's hard to prove the receiver has never had a barrel on it. I've seen FFLs log stripped receivers in their bound book as rifle ... you then have to be sure the 4473 was marked as "other" or "pistol" and not rifle.

Piece by piece is doable and is a good way to stretch the cost over a period of time... for me, cost wise, it never works out good but I enjoy buying and selling for less ... seems to be the way I roll but I have fun doing it ;o).. I always see smoking deals until I get ready to build something and then everyone has Eugene's Stoner long lost warehouse stash ;o) But this route will assure you get exactly what you want.

The downfall to purchasing complete as 317 suggested is you have nothing until the form clears. The up side, is should you go to resale, will expose more potential buyers as many prefer to have a manufacturer's engraving over Joe Blow, Anytown USA. But hey, we don't ever get rid of any of our guns do we? ;o)

IMHO, I say buy what you want piece by piece as it will be fun and will also eat up some time so you're not "thinking about" the wait. As it stands, you'll be going to the mailbox everyday after the check clears. Then, if you do come across a short barrel you want, just keep it somewhere else - at a friend's or other family member's house... as long as you go the effort to keep them separated in you'll be ok.

Good luck, have fun and post pics when you're done!

DREZ

 

[islandermyk]

Re: Trying to get ball rolling on SBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DREZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> As it stands, you'll be going to the mailbox everyday after the check clears.
DREZ </div></div>

dammit!

HAhahahaha! yeah... I open that box and when I see nothing... I say "No love yet", LOL!