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Advanced Marksmanship cold bore confusion

LongRangEnthusiast

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Hey guys! I'm pretty new here and I am not sure if this is in the right topic area, but I came across a video today about cold bore shots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiDoddUL4rI&feature=related) and I am curious what you guys think. I don't know if he is right or not and I would greatly appreciate any clarification. I started getting confused at about 1:30. Is he right or am I just gullible?
Thanks!
Nate
 
Re: cold bore confusion

He is correct,

Most cold bore issues are the shooter... or physical changes inside the gun by over cleaning which removes what could be considered "good copper" removing the good copper that fills in any imperfections in manufacturing will physically change the interior of the barrel causing the walking some people see before it starts to actually group.

Also some cold bore issues are do to poorly made rifles, tolerances being off, threading issues between the barrel and receiver, or potential bad bedding. Improperly adjusted action screws, all can play a part to include the scope. The entire rifle is a system, and that system has a number of areas of which failure, even on a tiny level can occur, in this case causing a cold bore issue.

Still, problem number one is the shooter, cold bore deviations have very little to do with temperature.
 
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Is he right about what? Does removing all the copper produce a POI shift? Yes.
 
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Thanks for the quick replies! How much would you suggest cleaning your guns? Do you only clean out the carbon as he suggests? Thanks again!
 
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Clean? What's that?
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I barely clean anything, only if I see accuracy fall off, then it is a basic cleaning with very little to no solvent. Nylon brush, no more than 4 passes through, and a quick patch.

Bore snake once or twice through about every 500 / 1000 rounds depending on the rifle.
 
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Wow! good to know. I would have never guessed. I always thought that that more cleaning = more accuracy but I guess you learn something everyday! Thank you!
Nate
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schwartz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always thought that that more cleaning = more accuracy</div></div>It depends on the game, and on the skill of the cleaner.
 
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Someone who won't screw-up the gun more by cleaning it than by just leaving it alone and shooting it. He or She starts-out as a regular shooter with a good quality coated rod and a bore guide.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I barely clean anything, only if I see accuracy fall off, then it is a basic cleaning with very little to no solvent. Nylon brush, no more than 4 passes through, and a quick patch.

Bore snake once or twice through about every 500 / 1000 rounds depending on the rifle. </div></div>

I would love to agree with this but my limited experience with my rifles won't allow me to do that. With each of my rifles, I'm marking in my data book, what sort of accuracy I get for what duration (number of rounds, cold clean bore, cold "dirty" bore, hot bore zero on my AR, different POIs per different weight rounds, etc.). This will also give a long term picture of how many rounds have been shot through each barrel and how poi is affected by different variables. Every rifle is different and will want to be loved differently. I used to clean every time I'd shoot but after reading another of Lowlight's posts a couple months ago, I'm working to readjust my habits (the OCD makes it difficult
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). Since cleaning less, I have enjoyed shooting more. Cheers...
 
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Lowlight, do you use the same cleaning regime on suppressed rifles?

Thanks!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deersniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lowlight, do you use the same cleaning regime on suppressed rifles?

Thanks!</div></div>

Yes, I don't treat my suppressed bolt guns any different. Most everything I shoot is suppressed.

The only time this deviates is with a semi auto, they require a bit more cleaning of the bolt / receiver area, the barrel cleaning is the same.
 
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This guy just set a new Open F Class record. Read what he says about cleaning his rifle before the shoot.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/category/competition/

More damage to a gun is done by imporper cleaning then shooting.

Lets look at Vintage Military Rifles like you get from CMP or else where. Most people gage these guns by Throat Erosion and Muzzle Erosion.

Throat erosion is cased by the gas hitting the throat. Except for getting picky on ammo and/or reloading, not much we can do.

Muzzle erosion is caused by improper cleaning, or with old military rifles its using the steel, jointed cleaning rods tearing the crap out of the muzzle by GIs who don't know any better.

Anal cleaning can mean an accurate rifle. But that's assuming the anal cleaning is done for each shot.

Like LL I'll run a brush through my rifle every now and them but as for scrubbing, no sir.

Pistols/Revolvers are different. I use med soft lead cast bullets, I'll scrub the barrels to prevent lead built up. Since I'm mainly a revolver shooter I do get anal on the cylinders. We all know that autos are (for normal people) slower to load the revolvers. To give my self a bit of advantage, I clean the crap out of my cylinders. The reason being it helps to allow the rounds to slip into the cylinders all the way plus assist in empties falling from the cylinders.

As to rim fires, I have an Anschutz 1807 that's never had a cleaning rod down the barrel. I've had this gun since the mid 80s and it's still capable of cleaning the ISU Small Bore targets in English Matches (with proper ammo of course).