Rifle Scopes MSR Reticle

[pmclaine]

I've tried a search for posts from actual users of this reticle but only found discussion about it becoming available.

I checked out the FinnAccuracy video, and save for the guy flipping through his log book I was impressed with how they worked the ranging and follow up shot abilities using the information the scope provides.

I'm a scope newby. My question is, is the right angle mil scale really necessary? What does it give the shooter that the P4 fine doesnt have. It looked awesome how it was used for the follow on shot but dont the mil scales in the primary crosshair do that too.

As a newby I think the right angle mil scale is easier to read quickly but is it really needed if I were to learn the main mil values. For those that have used the scope does all that information in the eyepiece become distracting? Is the P4F just as useful with less clutter?

 

[Graham]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pmclaine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the P4F just as useful with less clutter?</div></div>Probably.

But the MSR has .1 Mil values on the ranging scale and spaces in the retcle at the 1/2 Mil mark.

 

[pmclaine]

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So I will be able to translate what I see directly into clicks making adjustments faster?

Again a newby so my ignorance keeps me from recognizing the value.

 

[Graham]

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No, you're right: There may not be much added value to it. Certainly not $200 more value in terms of a reticle upgrade charge.

It may be easier to parse the Mil down to .05, that's all.

Most comps don't have a lot of reticle ranging any more, though.

 

[pmclaine]

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I'll be primarily blasting SR and MR paper targets.

With time not a factor and laying comfortably on my mat perhaps dicking around to the .o5 mil will be good to know but that fine a measurement will be well within the X ring and really not consequential seeing as I'd be lucky to hold .5 mil.

I'm having a little buyers jitters. I have one on order. I dont think I got hit by the upcharge. The scope seems to be reasonably priced from what I have seen advertized. Still its a crap load of money.

 

[Hellbender]

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Don't change your order, as there's no downside, and if you ever want to sell it, you can make an extra several hundred dollars.

I have guys I've never even heard of bugging me all the time about selling mine.

 

[Shoottothrill]

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There is an even better video than the finnish one you saw floating around the internet. I have a feeling you are going to love that scope.

 

[Luke]

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Looks like a sweet reticle. I think you made a good choice.

 

[justme]

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Don't worry, you WILL like it!!! I love mine!

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

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i really want to try one... maybe that means another 5-25... or a 4-16... damn it

 

[ofelas]

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Better yet, a 3-20 ;-)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i really want to try one... maybe that means another 5-25... or a 4-16... damn it

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[JL]

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MSR is a military purpose reticle, and therefore not optimal for known distance paper punching.

Some design features are more or less dictated by Finnish sniper doctrine: any electronic device may and will fail, including LRF. This is main reason for very fine inverted L milling scale. It is also passive system which is good thing against targets with detectors.

Features/differences are pretty much explained in sheet below, but as an additional info:

-Hair line is compromise between P4 and P4 fine because F tends to disappear in lower magnifications. Especially if background is dark -or in shade and one is aiming against sun. In other hand, original P4L is bit beefy in max magnification.

Reticle may look busy on first glance, but IMO in practice its vice versa:
All three independend "systems" have clear, simple purpose.
- L for accurate milling
- Stadia for rapid ranging, when threat has to be ranged instantly. Many mil scopes use human height as refence, but this is bit problematic since feets are often blocked by terrain- vegetation for example. This referece is also usable if tgt is standing sideways or in angle. Still, scale has also shoulder widht option if lower part of torso is not visible at all.
- And then reticle itself. Original 0.2mrad milling lines are still there because fine-scale can not be used in dusk or othervise bad visibility. 0.2 part is with thicker lines.
10mrad marks are very useful in shooter/spotter communication. When certain terrain spot has to be found fast, this eases things up a lot. Usually there isnt too much clear reference marks to see, and therefore explaining exactly where to shoot or look is not too easy. This is also case in many urban areas where all buildings may look more or less identical- but you still have to explain instantly certain window (or other point) what to look.
With MSR, desired point location relatively to reference point can be measured and explained very fast and simple way. Scale covers whole field of view, down to lowest 5x magnification.
This can be very valuable asset f.e. "point" is just about to send lead towards you.

Upgraded (from P4L/F) 1x1mrad illuminated center cross has also "hidden" feature. It can be used as ranging too, very usable is there is not enough light for (thicker) main hair line 0.2mrad scale or if ranging has to be done in a hurry.
Center cross system is well explained on that Norwegian youtube vid.

Naturally, all these additional features block part FOV- some people find it very annoying, some not at all. Its personal preference.

 

[pmclaine]

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Thanks for the replys. I've come to terms with the "I spent how much?" feeling. Now its a matter of waiting for delivery.

 

[Shoottothrill]

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Exactly what scope did you purchase? Also if it's a S&B PM11 5-25 where did you find it?

 

[ranger1183]

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Who do you call/email to make this all happen?

 

[pmclaine]

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Get in touch with Adam at Mile High Shooting by clicking their link at the bottom of the page. I'm expecting 8-12 weeks of wait time, its not on the shelf.