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Defective FN SPR, Tac-Cord vs. FNH USA

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Leadberry

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Just received a new SPR A2. Barrel is not aligned with the action...it is visibly bent to the left. Furthermore, upon initial disassembly of the bolt, it turns out the tip of the firing pin is bent. Contacted FN and was told to send the rifle in.

Has anyone experienced anything like this?
 
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Ouch, sounds like a shipping accident, although that doesn't explain the bent firing pin.
 
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I have NEVER EVER heard of a rifle that had a bbl that was Noticeably bent///and I have been around guns quite some time. If it was dropped. it must have been dropped from a 5 story building.
 
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As far as the barrel is concerned, I think it would be more accurate for me to say that it runs at an angle in relation to the receiver. I was told by the dealer that the barrel channel might have been cut at a slight angle, giving the illusion of an angled barrel, so I contacted McMillan (it turned out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock). They said they've seen this before, and that it seems to be purely cosmetic, and historically doesn't seem to affect accuracy or reliability.

...still sent the rifle to FN, more due to the firing pin than anything else.
 
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Keep us posted on the outcome. Thx
 
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For those interested, I just got word back from FN. They said most everything looked okay, but the stock was bedded incorrectly.

However, the real kicker is they said this wasn't an FN factory rifle. They said this was an FN receiver that someone built as their own, and that I would have to pay for any service performed. Mind you, this was one of the SPR A2's that Taccord is selling.

Waiting to hear back from Mike at Tactical Coordination now.
 
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Got off the phone with Mike, he's replacing the rifle due to my troubles with this one.

As for FN, I'm pretty sure they're full of shit. After two months of doing nothing, I just had them send the rifle back to me. Called them once, said it was being worked on. Called a month later, they said they hadn't touched it yet. Now they're saying it's not a factory rifle...but it came with factory roll marks on the barrel, out of a factory serialized box, with a factory manual.

Dealing with Mike and dealing with FN has been night and day. Said if I'd called him first he would've taken care of me on the spot. FN really makes some awesome weapons, but their service department is hell.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got off the phone with Mike, he's replacing the rifle due to my troubles with this one.

As for FN, I'm pretty sure they're full of shit. After two months of doing nothing, I just had them send the rifle back to me. Called them once, said it was being worked on. Called a month later, they said they hadn't touched it yet. Now they're saying it's not a factory rifle...but it came with factory roll marks on the barrel, out of a factory serialized box, with a factory manual.

Dealing with Mike and dealing with FN has been night and day. Said if I'd called him first he would've taken care of me on the spot. FN really makes some awesome weapons, but their service department is hell. </div></div>

Most of the posts about FN and their guarantee and service are all positive, this is first negative comment I have read.

If you were going to buy a new car and the seller told you that he could save you 35% off the current price shouldn't that raise some questions? So the car breaks down and you take it to a authorized dealer for repairs and they tell you no warranty because it was put together with old outdated and discontinued parts would you expect them to fix your BARGIN car for free? I doubt it.

Same principal applys to guns put together in back alley shops with discontinued models and parts. Ask for the serial # of the gun you plan to purchase or it's replacement and check with FN and see how it was configured when it was made and see if the replacement will be warranted.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got off the phone with Mike, he's replacing the rifle due to my troubles with this one.

As for FN, I'm pretty sure they're full of shit. After two months of doing nothing, I just had them send the rifle back to me. Called them once, said it was being worked on. Called a month later, they said they hadn't touched it yet. Now they're saying it's not a factory rifle...but it came with factory roll marks on the barrel, out of a factory serialized box, with a factory manual.

Dealing with Mike and dealing with FN has been night and day. Said if I'd called him first he would've taken care of me on the spot. FN really makes some awesome weapons, but their service department is hell. </div></div>

A few years ago, CDNN was selling FN SPR "extra" actions, and FN does not warranty them, as the actual rifle buildup is out of their control. This is completely reasonable in my opinion.


I dealt with FN for my A3G. They were professional, courteous and quick.

I'm glad to hear Tac-cord is working with you.
 
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Guys, these are not CDNN actions. The CDNN actions had to have roll marks stamped on them since they did not come with the marked factory barrels...the action on this rifle has no such roll mark. This was a factory-built rifle. It has the misspelled "Fredricksburg, VA" roll mark on the barrel indicating it was manufactured at the old USRAC plant. The bottom line is FN's CSR was full of crap.

I'm glad you both think you know what you're doing, but this isn't my first rodeo either.

@kwak - Since most of their feedback is positive, my negative experience must be invalid? You know why the A2 was discontinued? The stock. That's it. The receiver and barrel are the same parts that are still being used on current SPR's.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwak</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got off the phone with Mike, he's replacing the rifle due to my troubles with this one.

As for FN, I'm pretty sure they're full of shit. After two months of doing nothing, I just had them send the rifle back to me. Called them once, said it was being worked on. Called a month later, they said they hadn't touched it yet. Now they're saying it's not a factory rifle...but it came with factory roll marks on the barrel, out of a factory serialized box, with a factory manual.

Dealing with Mike and dealing with FN has been night and day. Said if I'd called him first he would've taken care of me on the spot. FN really makes some awesome weapons, but their service department is hell. </div></div>

Most of the posts about FN and their guarantee and service are all positive, this is first negative comment I have read.

If you were going to buy a new car and the seller told you that he could save you 35% off the current price shouldn't that raise some questions? So the car breaks down and you take it to a authorized dealer for repairs and they tell you no warranty because it was put together with old outdated and discontinued parts would you expect them to fix your BARGIN car for free? I doubt it.

Same principal applys to guns put together in back alley shops with discontinued models and parts. Ask for the serial # of the gun you plan to purchase or it's replacement and check with FN and see how it was configured when it was made and see if the replacement will be warranted. </div></div>


Well now that I am aware of this thread I can chime in.

If anyone one on this forum does not have the whole story watch what you say about my company! "kwak", "Killswitch engage"

We are first off not some back door company, and my gunsmith is one of the best in the business. Second off these are not discontinued units as all these actions are the same as what FN still currently uses. The only thing that is discontinued through <span style="font-weight: bold">FN ONLY</span> are the stocks, as these are the same stocks that are being sent to the U.S.M.C. and take priority over FN!

"kwak" Yes you specifically, once again if you have not bought a rifle from me then cease and desist. Only warning and this is not some game, I remember you specifically being upset because I would not discount a rifle for you, as that would not be fair to the rest of the members on SH.

I am a very fair individual and have passed this on to the members on here. We bought these from a gentleman that went out of business back East after the months proceeding the election. This is why we got them for an outstanding price and have passed that on too others.

Second, if someone were to say a bad bedding job that would still go against the standard material FN uses. Any bedding job would still out shoot and standard lay-out. To mock someone out of spite is very cowardly!! We do it as a courtesy to our customers and do not charge extra, as all I mainly do is custom weapons, plus Class III items, and supply most of the LEO departments in my state with any high end equipment they may need. If I or any one of my guys makes a mistake, we own up to it and I get it taken care of, even if it is very far a few between.

We also notify the customers that if an issue arises to contact me first, as such that as soon as FN would see a change in the standard equipment ie: "our bedding job" to send it to us first and I will handle it. Reason being as that is enough reason for them to say it has been modified from stock, and I would stand behind them as that is justified from a manufacturer. Like I said if we screw something up I take care of it immediately as I did with "Leadberry". FN makes an outstanding product, but as any manufacturer goes things can and do happen.. It just happens, it's called mass production.

We have been doing this a while, and we take care of all of our customers, as I am sure that four pages of good responses on my official ad shows that we don't screw around. Thanks for reading!!

Continue to Send the Rounds Down Range!!

Mike

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, these are not CDNN actions. The CDNN actions had to have roll marks stamped on them since they did not come with the marked factory barrels...the action on this rifle has no such roll mark. This was a factory-built rifle. It has the misspelled "Fredricksburg, VA" roll mark on the barrel indicating it was manufactured at the old USRAC plant. The bottom line is FN's CSR was full of crap.

I'm glad you both think you know what you're doing, but this isn't my first rodeo either.

@kwak - Since most of their feedback is positive, my negative experience must be invalid? You know why the A2 was discontinued? The stock. That's it. The receiver and barrel are the same parts that are still being used on current SPR's. </div></div>

Interesting. My CDNN SPR action has the mis-spelled "Fredricksburg", and no other special marking.
 
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FN does not void warranty based on bedding.

If you screw the rifle up and they refuse warranty, they tell you "this is modified - no warranty", NOT "this rifle wasn't built by us, and therefore carries no FN warranty".

FN doesn't randomly decide a given serial number doesn't qualify for warranty.

FN has been in business a long time, and cares about its quality and image. They did not get where they are by jerking people around.

ETA: I am not an FN employee nor am I a representative for them. The above are my opinions, but are, to the best of my knowledge, completely factual.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, these are not CDNN actions. The CDNN actions had to have roll marks stamped on them since they did not come with the marked factory barrels...the action on this rifle has no such roll mark. This was a factory-built rifle. It has the misspelled "Fredricksburg, VA" roll mark on the barrel indicating it was manufactured at the old USRAC plant. The bottom line is FN's CSR was full of crap.

I'm glad you both think you know what you're doing, but this isn't my first rodeo either.

@kwak - Since most of their feedback is positive, my negative experience must be invalid? You know why the A2 was discontinued? The stock. That's it. The receiver and barrel are the same parts that are still being used on current SPR's. </div></div>

Interesting. My CDNN SPR action has the mis-spelled "Fredricksburg", and no other special marking. </div></div>
But the marking is on the actual action itself, not the barrel, correct? Factory rifles have the roll mark on the barrel, not on the action. Mine is one such rifle.
 
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Correct, I bought a CDNN action only. Comparing it to my A3G, the only differences are serial number, and spelling of Fredericksburg. The A3G is correct: fred<span style="font-weight: bold">E</span>ricksburg, not fredricksburg like the CDNN.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FN does not void warranty based on bedding.

If you screw the rifle up and they refuse warranty, they tell you "this is modified - no warranty", NOT "this rifle wasn't built by us, and therefore carries no FN warranty".

FN doesn't randomly decide a given serial number doesn't qualify for warranty.

FN has been in business a long time, and cares about its quality and image. They did not get where they are by jerking people around.

ETA: I am not an FN employee nor am I a representative for them. The above are my opinions, but are, to the best of my knowledge, completely factual. </div></div>
Yet, this is exactly how they got where they are with me...by jerking around.

I was first told the bedding would not be covered under warranty because they didn't do it. I was then told it wasn't a factory rifle and didn't carry a warranty. Which do you think it is? Sounds like jerking a customer around to me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct, I bought a CDNN action only. Comparing it to my A3G, the only differences are serial number, and spelling of Fredericksburg. The A3G is correct: fred<span style="font-weight: bold">E</span>ricksburg, not fredricksburg like the CDNN. </div></div>

"turbo54" This is fair warning... You are treading on dangerous ground, as to insinuate something as I can read between the lines. Your intentionally treading on a persons honor which is mine. Plus trying to damage the validity of the product I am selling as to damage it per a public forum. I hope your catching my drift as I am being nice. SO LET ME BE CLEAR....

These are not CDNN actions that we assembled. Any further notion to such will be dealt with accordingly. Forum or no Forum. You have any issue you deal with me off line as trying to spread rumors is intentional defamation of any individual or company. Should I proceed?

Mike
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">










Well now that I am aware of this thread I can chime in.

If anyone one on this forum does not have the whole story watch what you say about my company! "kwak", "Killswitch engage"

We are first off not some back door company, and my gunsmith is one of the best in the business. Second off these are not discontinued units as all these actions are the same as what FN still currently uses. The only thing that is discontinued through <span style="font-weight: bold">FN ONLY</span> are the stocks, as these are the same stocks that are being sent to the U.S.M.C. and take priority over FN!

"kwak" Yes you specifically, once again if you have not bought a rifle from me then cease and desist. Only warning and this is not some game, I remember you specifically being upset because I would not discount a rifle for you, as that would not be fair to the rest of the members on SH.

I am a very fair individual and have passed this on to the members on here. We bought these from a gentleman that went out of business back East after the months proceeding the election. This is why we got them for an outstanding price and have passed that on too others.

Second, if someone were to say a bad bedding job that would still go against the standard material FN uses. Any bedding job would still out shoot and standard lay-out. To mock someone out of spite is very cowardly!! We do it as a courtesy to our customers and do not charge extra, as all I mainly do is custom weapons, plus Class III items, and supply most of the LEO departments in my state with any high end equipment they may need. If I or any one of my guys makes a mistake, we own up to it and I get it taken care of, even if it is very far a few between.

We also notify the customers that if an issue arises to contact me first, as such that as soon as FN would see a change in the standard equipment ie: "our bedding job" to send it to us first and I will handle it. Reason being as that is enough reason for them to say it has been modified from stock, and I would stand behind them as that is justified from a manufacturer. Like I said if we screw something up I take care of it immediately as I did with "Leadberry". FN makes an outstanding product, but as any manufacturer goes things can and do happen.. It just happens, it's called mass production.

We have been doing this a while, and we take care of all of our customers, as I am sure that four pages of good responses on my official ad shows that we don't screw around. Thanks for reading!!

Continue to Send the Rounds Down Range!!

Mike

I do not have any idea where you are coming from. I have never mentioned your Company in any of my posts.

Neither have I ever asked you to give me a reduced price on one of your guns. I did enough research and purchased a current model from a authorized FN dealer.

I have looked at your web site and all of the models that you offer are no longer available as they have been discontinued and replaced with updated current models.

</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct, I bought a CDNN action only. Comparing it to my A3G, the only differences are serial number, and spelling of Fredericksburg. The A3G is correct: fred<span style="font-weight: bold">E</span>ricksburg, not fredricksburg like the CDNN. </div></div>

"turbo54" This is fair warning... You are treading on dangerous ground, as to insinuate something as I can read between the lines. Your intentionally treading on a persons honor which is mine. Plus trying to damage the validity of the product I am selling as to damage it per a public forum. I hope your catching my drift as I am being nice. SO LET ME BE CLEAR....

These are not CDNN actions that we assembled. Any further notion to such will be dealt with accordingly. Forum or no Forum. You have any issue you deal with me off line as trying to spread rumors is intentional defamation of any individual or company. Should I proceed?

Mike </div></div>

I certainly do not desire to defame anyone, or anyone's livelihood.

The elephant in the room is whether Tac-cord is selling FN-built rifles, covered under FNs lifetime warranty.

How about you clear this up, to end any speculation or rumor.

Are they?

Each time there is a "Premier is going bankrupt" thread, Paul jumps in so members here can be informed, straight from the horses mouth, whats up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kwak</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">










Well now that I am aware of this thread I can chime in.

If anyone one on this forum does not have the whole story watch what you say about my company! "kwak", "Killswitch engage"

We are first off not some back door company, and my gunsmith is one of the best in the business. Second off these are not discontinued units as all these actions are the same as what FN still currently uses. The only thing that is discontinued through <span style="font-weight: bold">FN ONLY</span> are the stocks, as these are the same stocks that are being sent to the U.S.M.C. and take priority over FN!

"kwak" Yes you specifically, once again if you have not bought a rifle from me then cease and desist. Only warning and this is not some game, I remember you specifically being upset because I would not discount a rifle for you, as that would not be fair to the rest of the members on SH.

I am a very fair individual and have passed this on to the members on here. We bought these from a gentleman that went out of business back East after the months proceeding the election. This is why we got them for an outstanding price and have passed that on too others.

Second, if someone were to say a bad bedding job that would still go against the standard material FN uses. Any bedding job would still out shoot and standard lay-out. To mock someone out of spite is very cowardly!! We do it as a courtesy to our customers and do not charge extra, as all I mainly do is custom weapons, plus Class III items, and supply most of the LEO departments in my state with any high end equipment they may need. If I or any one of my guys makes a mistake, we own up to it and I get it taken care of, even if it is very far a few between.

We also notify the customers that if an issue arises to contact me first, as such that as soon as FN would see a change in the standard equipment ie: "our bedding job" to send it to us first and I will handle it. Reason being as that is enough reason for them to say it has been modified from stock, and I would stand behind them as that is justified from a manufacturer. Like I said if we screw something up I take care of it immediately as I did with "Leadberry". FN makes an outstanding product, but as any manufacturer goes things can and do happen.. It just happens, it's called mass production.

We have been doing this a while, and we take care of all of our customers, as I am sure that four pages of good responses on my official ad shows that we don't screw around. Thanks for reading!!

Continue to Send the Rounds Down Range!!

Mike

I do not have any idea where you are coming from. I have never mentioned your Company in any of my posts.

Neither have I ever asked you to give me a reduced price on one of your guns. I did enough research and purchased a current model from a authorized FN dealer.

I have looked at your web site and all of the models that you offer are no longer available as they have been discontinued and replaced with updated current models.

</div></div> </div></div>


Actually, most FFL's can order from a large warehouse called RSR who sell's new FN's and we can order from them at anytime. About 70% of dealers in this country do it that way so yea, I can get you any current model you like. Actually probably could have gotten it less for you as I normally always give SH members a discount.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct, I bought a CDNN action only. Comparing it to my A3G, the only differences are serial number, and spelling of Fredericksburg. The A3G is correct: fred<span style="font-weight: bold">E</span>ricksburg, not fredricksburg like the CDNN. </div></div>

"turbo54" This is fair warning... You are treading on dangerous ground, as to insinuate something as I can read between the lines. Your intentionally treading on a persons honor which is mine. Plus trying to damage the validity of the product I am selling as to damage it per a public forum. I hope your catching my drift as I am being nice. SO LET ME BE CLEAR....

These are not CDNN actions that we assembled. Any further notion to such will be dealt with accordingly. Forum or no Forum. You have any issue you deal with me off line as trying to spread rumors is intentional defamation of any individual or company. Should I proceed?

Mike </div></div>

I certainly do not desire to defame anyone, or anyone's livelihood.

The elephant in the room is whether Tac-cord is selling FN-built rifles, covered under FNs lifetime warranty.

How about you clear this up, to end any speculation or rumor.

Are they?

Each time there is a "Premier is going bankrupt" thread, Paul jumps in so members here can be informed, straight from the horses mouth, whats up. </div></div>

Now see that was a fair question. I will be more than happy to take a pic of the box open with the manual, lock, foam wrap, and target... Just for you.
 
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Mike,

Where did you get a brand new in box FN? I asked you if you had any and you said that you would have to order one for me.

And unless I am mistaken your price was $200 more than market.

Did you delete all of our correspondence? If so I am sure that I can drag it up and post it for you if you need your memory refreshed.

I left your name out of all of my posts but you must have felt convicted by some of the other references about guns being put together piece by piece and their warranty being affected.
 
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Mike,

I didn't come on here to defame you but after reading this guys thread and hearing about the botched bedding job that sounds exactly like the one my friend recieved from you I wanted to bring it up. The job was the worst I'd ever seen and given the business you are in you shouldn't have let it get shipped like that. Obviously, we see it wasn't a one time event.

My friend is not a member on here nor does he even have a computer which is why I spoke up about it. The fact is two rifles came from you and your gunsmith with nearly identical bedding jobs. You told my friend you didn't care what the job looked like as long as the gun grouped under an inch. While that may be acceptable to you its not to everyone. That doesn't include the fact that the barrel was physically touching the stock on one side.

There has been nothing said here that is not a fact. Do you disagree?
 
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Mike I was the guy who called you last week just to ask if these are warrantied. I told you I was 100% happy with mine but just curious because I thought it was factory FN but people kept saying on here they are pieced together etc.

I called FN to ask about it with the serial # in hand. They told me they couldn't tell me if they built it unless they saw it only when it was made
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. Personally I think the guy on the phone didn't know what he was talking about. It really didn't matter as my rifle was heavily modded.

The bedding looked fine to me. It may have been a little sloppy in some ways but it was everywhere it needed to be and did the job. I don't generally show off the inside of my stock so I could care less how neat it looked. I wanted pillars though so I had it redone. I always recommend your SPR's when the chance arises.

For the OP I had a A1a that the barrel was noticeably closer to the left side of the stock in the barrel channel. It was the most accurate rifle I have ever had. I still have several 5 shot 100yds targets hanging in my reloading room that are all below .4". I shouldn't have sold it.

BTW the rollmark is on my 24" factory FN barrel.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killswitch engage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,

I didn't come on here to defame you but after reading this guys thread and hearing about the botched bedding job that sounds exactly like the one my friend recieved from you I wanted to bring it up. The job was the worst I'd ever seen and given the business you are in you shouldn't have let it get shipped like that. Obviously, we see it wasn't a one time event.

My friend is not a member on here nor does he even have a computer which is why I spoke up about it. The fact is two rifles came from you and your gunsmith with nearly identical bedding jobs. You told my friend you didn't care what the job looked like as long as the gun grouped under an inch. While that may be acceptable to you its not to everyone. That doesn't include the fact that the barrel was physically touching the stock on one side.

There has been nothing said here that is not a fact. Do you disagree? </div></div>

Well first off your information is incorrect, and that's why we had your last post removed. Your not the customer and your friends FFL actually bought two more rifles from me, and that was the only other case where the bedding was a little off in regards to its position in the stock, that I am aware of. Plus a key part of information removed is that I discounted the FFL's personal rifle's he purchased from me to take care of the cost of redoing it and his time. If not I had offered for him to send it back and I would get it taken care as I always do.

All I see is three of the same individuals trolling to stir something up. Guy's we got something at a good price and have passed that on to customers. So since we are not greedy like some dealers, and try to maximize our profit margin, we are selling an outstanding complete weapon system at a great price, and we went ahead and bedded the rifles at no extra charge, to offset the lack of material that FN does for that price point. And you know what maybe the bedding is not always 100% perfect in how it flows out when it sets but it's in all the right spots, and if my guy let a few buy that are a smidge off center, where does the complaint lye?

If you don't like what I have for sale and don't want to buy it because you think something is going on then don't. All I see in myself as a non-greedy dealer that is trying to pass on the love and some of the post today show absolutely no respect to that. I did not manufacture the weapon, and I don't have to sell it at such a great price. The bedding is a function over form, and I honestly don't care to hear of it any longer. We don't have to do it, and that is the last thing that anyone should be complaining about. As I don't charge to do it! More than 60% of these are offset from FN to begin with and we get it down to less than 2% but you know what as long as it does shoot correctly that is what matters. Because the main thing that is being missed is that FN guarantees the A2's to shoot less than 1 MOA. If I bed it and it does not improve that well, I don't guarantee it at all because I am not the manufacturer. We are trying to do something nice and I feel at this point that I am getting shit on by just a few so they can show what they think they know.

And for the ones that question the validity of the warranty the ops rifle was taken care of by FN and the the bolt was replaced because during the manufacturing process of drilling one of the roll-pin retainers holes it was in the incorrect position. My understanding is that FN replaced the bolt and firing pin, and has sent the rifle back to the customer so I can get the bedding redone. That was the part they would not cover. As I figured they would not as they should not since I did that part.

We are done here gentleman.. Anything further will be moved on to the moderators.

Thank you for your time!

Mike
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RRA_45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike I was the guy who called you last week just to ask if these are warrantied. I told you I was 100% happy with mine but just curious because I thought it was factory FN but people kept saying on here they are pieced together etc.

I called FN to ask about it with the serial # in hand. They told me they couldn't tell me if they built it unless they saw it only when it was made
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. Personally I think the guy on the phone didn't know what he was talking about. It really didn't matter as my rifle was heavily modded.

The bedding looked fine to me. It may have been a little sloppy in some ways but it was everywhere it needed to be and did the job. I don't generally show off the inside of my stock so I could care less how neat it looked. I wanted pillars though so I had it redone. I always recommend your SPR's when the chance arises.

For the OP I had a A1a that the barrel was noticeably closer to the left side of the stock in the barrel channel. It was the most accurate rifle I have ever had. I still have several 5 shot 100yds targets hanging in my reloading room that are all below .4". I shouldn't have sold it.

BTW the rollmark is on my 24" factory FN barrel. </div></div>

Thanks Bro I appreciate the love!! Glad your happy with it!
 
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Mate if it wasn't such a pita to import one to Australia, i'd buy one off you in a second, you're half the price i was quoted in Australia. Thumbs up to you Mike.
 
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No problem mike... I think you made my point better than i could have.
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

The warranty on these rifles is most certainly valid. I recently sent mine in after noticing a small chip/recess in the chrome lining of the barrel about 1/4" down from the topside of the crown. The FNH service department was expediant in resolving the matter and did so by replacing the rifle with a new A5M TBM. (Thank you FNH)

FWIW, I first contacted Mike to get his thoughts on the damage and he immediately offered to replace the rifle at no charge to myself simply to ensure I was satisfied with the weapon and the level of service/support his company provided. I believe this speaks volumes as to the type of person Mike is and how he runs his business.

I have recommended Tac-Cord rifles to friends and fellow shooters and would not hesitate to buy another one from them in the future.

Thanks again Mike.
 
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Everyone, Mike has given me nothing but great service this entire time, and has been adamant as far as standing behind his product and making sure everything is made right and the customer is happy.

It turns out the bent firing pin was indeed due to a manufacturing error in the bolt. The person I talked to can't guarantee that I will get the rifle back with a new bolt as I requested they return it without service, but Mike has more than agreed to take care of me no matter how it comes back.
 
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Thank you for the information, Leadberry. Despite some ruffled feathers, I think it was good this came up/out, so that speculation and hearsay could be eliminated.

I'm still confused, however about what all got which rollmark where...?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm still confused, however about what all got which rollmark where...? </div></div>

I'm confused as to how a firing pin on an SPR gets bent in the first place.
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you for the information, Leadberry. Despite some ruffled feathers, I think it was good this came up/out, so that speculation and hearsay could be eliminated.

I'm still confused, however about what all got which rollmark where...? </div></div>
No problem, and I agree.

From what I've gathered, all SPR's leave the factory with the roll marks on the barrel. The only exceptions were the CDNN actions. Since the barrels were removed from those actions, the roll marks had to be added to the actions themselves.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IronMaidenFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'm still confused, however about what all got which rollmark where...? </div></div>

I'm confused as to how a firing pin on an SPR gets bent in the first place. </div></div>
The only information I could get on this was that the firing pin hole in the bolt appeared to be machined incorrectly.
 
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(Responding to the original post...)

"As far as the barrel is concerned, I think it would be more accurate for me to say that it runs at an angle in relation to the receiver"

I bought a used FN SPR a few years back and the barrel/stock fit was exactly as described above. I am 99% sure it was unaltered by the previous owner. McMillan said they would look at it, I sent it to them and they fixed it free, so I now consider them a class act.
 
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Another update for those interested--apparently this won't end as I was told it would.

As I was warned was possible, the rifle came back from FN with the bad bolt. Mike Skaramagos told me over the phone that if this happened, he would gladly replace the rifle for me to make this right.

Apparently, this is no longer the case. Mike replaced the firing pin in the bolt. He stated that FN was talking out their asses about the bolt being defective and about the bedding job being bad. He even said that even if it is off, it's function over form and I shouldn't complain because it was free.

He also discredited the information I was given by Dick Davis of McMillan, saying they were talking out their asses about the accuracy of their machining process.

The big kicker is that Ben Voss of FN told me that this rifle shipped from the factory as a barreled action and the stock was added later. Once again, Mike Skaramagos called bs, and said the folks at FN need to be "educated."

Bottom line, when FN was preparing to ship the rifle back to me, Mike clearly stated that he was going to prepare a new rifle to replace it. He now refuses to do so, insisting that I should be happy with the replacement of the firing pin.

I've now shipped this rifle all over the country since the beginning of March. Mike has been polite throughout this whole process, and I have even come to his defense multiple times on the forums, but he has not been a man of his word. I don't think I can endorse him any longer.

All I wanted was some closure...for Mike and FN to give me an answer to my problem. Instead, the two of them have gone back and forth playing the blame game, and I'm left questioning how much I can trust my purchase. I've never had any kind of purchase give me this much of a headache, ever.

I think this was the first and last time I ever buy a gun online.

Cheers all, and Happy Father's Day,
Sean
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another update for those interested--apparently this won't end as I was told it would.

As I was warned was possible, the rifle came back from FN with the bad bolt. Mike Skaramagos told me over the phone that if this happened, he would gladly replace the rifle for me to make this right.

Apparently, this is no longer the case. Mike replaced the firing pin in the bolt. He stated that FN was talking out their asses about the bolt being defective and about the bedding job being bad. He even said that even if it is off, it's function over form and I shouldn't complain because it was free.

He also discredited the information I was given by Dick Davis of McMillan, saying they were talking out their asses about the accuracy of their machining process.

The big kicker is that Ben Voss of FN told me that this rifle shipped from the factory as a barreled action and the stock was added later. Once again, Mike Skaramagos called bs, and said the folks at FN need to be "educated."

Bottom line, when FN was preparing to ship the rifle back to me, Mike clearly stated that he was going to prepare a new rifle to replace it. He now refuses to do so, insisting that I should be happy with the replacement of the firing pin.

I've now shipped this rifle all over the country since the beginning of March. Mike has been polite throughout this whole process, and I have even come to his defense multiple times on the forums, but he has not been a man of his word. I don't think I can endorse him any longer.

All I wanted was some closure...for Mike and FN to give me an answer to my problem. Instead, the two of them have gone back and forth playing the blame game, and I'm left questioning how much I can trust my purchase. I've never had any kind of purchase give me this much of a headache, ever.

I think this was the first and last time I ever buy a gun online.

Cheers all, and Happy Father's Day,
Sean </div></div>

Well, considering the rifle has never been shot by the owner and considering that I went off the information to me about some sort of roll pin in the bolt that caused this pin to be bent, and come to find out that yes the pin was a little off yet had no burr marks or impact marks on, and I paid to have a new firing pin sent to me from FN, I can't see what the gripe is? There is nothing wrong with the rifle now and it has been functioned tested by me. So a dealer took responsibility and took money out of his own pocket to fix what was wrong with a rifle he did not manufacture and all this in a matter of 4 days... Took FN 3 months and in all honesty the rifle would have functioned before, as I did test fire it when it came back also. Worked before with the old pin and now again with the new pin. Don't lay it on me.

I also mentioned to stop complaining on the barrel not sitting in the channel with equal distance on both sides as today I gave Sean 8 measurements from both sides of the stock to show the thickness differences. 8.07-10.45mm of variance. And once again a complaint on an area we can't control as the material removal originally from FN and or MC to set the action in the stock can only be modified so much.

Sounds like someone is complaining just to complain. I feel I have gone above and beyond with replacing pieces I did not have too. FFL dealers are not like going into SEARS and replacing tools. We cannot just swap out weapons for no good reason. Especially if nothing is wrong, or does not affect the functioning and reliability of the weapon and especially if we are not the manufactures.

Sean, take the weapon out and shoot it! It's a battle rifle not a show piece. If I would have charged $2200 retail and $300 for a bedding job as most places would then their would be some area to question, or if I had a blank stock to begin with then I would have more control over most of the process.
Your rifle is good to go and tip top! <span style="color: #FF0000">THERE WAS NO NEED TO SWAP IT OUT. I would have if the bolt would have been in the condition FN stated but it is an open hole with no obstructions</span>. Fill everyone in with the whole story not just bits and pieces.

Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.

Mike
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another update for those interested--apparently this won't end as I was told it would.

As I was warned was possible, the rifle came back from FN with the bad bolt. Mike Skaramagos told me over the phone that if this happened, he would gladly replace the rifle for me to make this right.

Apparently, this is no longer the case. Mike replaced the firing pin in the bolt. He stated that FN was talking out their asses about the bolt being defective and about the bedding job being bad. He even said that even if it is off, it's function over form and I shouldn't complain because it was free.

He also discredited the information I was given by Dick Davis of McMillan, saying they were talking out their asses about the accuracy of their machining process.

The big kicker is that Ben Voss of FN told me that this rifle shipped from the factory as a barreled action and the stock was added later. Once again, Mike Skaramagos called bs, and said the folks at FN need to be "educated."

Bottom line, when FN was preparing to ship the rifle back to me, Mike clearly stated that he was going to prepare a new rifle to replace it. He now refuses to do so, insisting that I should be happy with the replacement of the firing pin.

I've now shipped this rifle all over the country since the beginning of March. Mike has been polite throughout this whole process, and I have even come to his defense multiple times on the forums, but he has not been a man of his word. I don't think I can endorse him any longer.

All I wanted was some closure...for Mike and FN to give me an answer to my problem. Instead, the two of them have gone back and forth playing the blame game, and I'm left questioning how much I can trust my purchase. I've never had any kind of purchase give me this much of a headache, ever.

I think this was the first and last time I ever buy a gun online.

Cheers all, and Happy Father's Day,
Sean </div></div>

Well, considering the rifle has never been shot by the owner and considering that I went off the information to me about some sort of roll pin in the bolt that caused this pin to be bent, and come to find out that yes the pin was a little off yet had no burr marks or impact marks on, and I paid to have a new firing pin sent to me from FN, I can't see what the gripe is? There is nothing wrong with the rifle now and it has been functioned tested by me. So a dealer took responsibility and took money out of his own pocket to fix what was wrong with a rifle he did not manufacture and all this in a matter of 4 days... Took FN 3 months and in all honesty the rifle would have functioned before, as I did test fire it when it came back also. Worked before with the old pin and now again with the new pin. Don't lay it on me.

I also mentioned to stop complaining on the barrel not sitting in the channel with equal distance on both sides as today I gave Sean 8 measurements from both sides of the stock to show the thickness differences. 8.07-10.45mm of variance. And once again a complaint on an area we can't control as the material removal originally from FN and or MC to set the action in the stock can only be modified so much.

Sounds like someone is complaining just to complain. I feel I have gone above and beyond with replacing pieces I did not have too. FFL dealers are not like going into SEARS and replacing tools. We cannot just swap out weapons for no good reason. Especially if nothing is wrong, or does not affect the functioning and reliability of the weapon and especially if we are not the manufactures.

Sean, take the weapon out and shoot it! It's a battle rifle not a show piece. If I would have charged $2200 retail and $300 for a bedding job as most places would then their would be some area to question, or if I had a blank stock to begin with then I would have more control over most of the process.
Your rifle is good to go and tip top! <span style="color: #FF0000">THERE WAS NO NEED TO SWAP IT OUT. I would have if the bolt would have been in the condition FN stated but it is an open hole with no obstructions</span>. Fill everyone in with the whole story not just bits and pieces.

Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.

Mike </div></div>

Ever heard the old saying "the customer pays the bills" ? Well when you go spouting off on an internet forum for everyone to read, lie about replacing a rifle, then chastising the customer about his functional rifle that does not look proper.... you are heading for a rocky ledge.

And your suggestive language that you are going to sue everyone for defamation is complete bullshit. Stay off the forums if you don't like the negative chatter. This is were we collect our reviews and get others opinions on equipment. It's going to happen wether you like it or not.

Do as you promised to the customer, don't back peddle because you think the rifle is right. If I paid a premium for a rifle and it came to me looking jacked up, I'd be mad about it and you would be correcting it or my money would be getting returned. It's that simple.
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #3333FF">Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.</span>

Mike </div></div>

Chew on this: the AR15 is not a precision bolt action rifle. The AR15 is a battle rifle....
Modular by design, so it can be taken apart easily and parts swapped out.
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another update for those interested--apparently this won't end as I was told it would.

As I was warned was possible, the rifle came back from FN with the bad bolt. Mike Skaramagos told me over the phone that if this happened, he would gladly replace the rifle for me to make this right.

Apparently, this is no longer the case. Mike replaced the firing pin in the bolt. He stated that FN was talking out their asses about the bolt being defective and about the bedding job being bad. He even said that even if it is off, it's function over form and I shouldn't complain because it was free.

He also discredited the information I was given by Dick Davis of McMillan, saying they were talking out their asses about the accuracy of their machining process.

The big kicker is that Ben Voss of FN told me that this rifle shipped from the factory as a barreled action and the stock was added later. Once again, Mike Skaramagos called bs, and said the folks at FN need to be "educated."

Bottom line, when FN was preparing to ship the rifle back to me, Mike clearly stated that he was going to prepare a new rifle to replace it. He now refuses to do so, insisting that I should be happy with the replacement of the firing pin.

I've now shipped this rifle all over the country since the beginning of March. Mike has been polite throughout this whole process, and I have even come to his defense multiple times on the forums, but he has not been a man of his word. I don't think I can endorse him any longer.

All I wanted was some closure...for Mike and FN to give me an answer to my problem. Instead, the two of them have gone back and forth playing the blame game, and I'm left questioning how much I can trust my purchase. I've never had any kind of purchase give me this much of a headache, ever.

I think this was the first and last time I ever buy a gun online.

Cheers all, and Happy Father's Day,
Sean </div></div>

Sean, sorry to hear the saga continues...

Can you clarify a few points?

FN assesed the bolt as bad, but declined to replace it? Why?

Then Mike indicated FN was incorrect about the bolt being bad and he replaced the firing pin? Why didn't/wouldn't FN replace the bent firing pin?

In regard to the bedding, and you having no right to complain because it was free... Well, if I take my car in for a brake job and the shop gives me a complimentary oil-change with "Oil" brand oil and "Oil Filter" brand filter - I'd just assume not have the free crappy oil change at all...but maybe I'm just weird for wanting quality stuff?
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style="color: #FF0000">.....THERE WAS NO NEED TO SWAP IT OUT. I would have if the bolt would have been in the condition FN stated but it is an open hole with no obstructions.....</span>.

Mike </div></div>

If FN checked out the bolt and said it was bad, why didn't they replace it?

Instead, they checked it out, said "this is bad", and sent it back to you????

Makes no sense.
 
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Mike, my gripe here is that when FN had the rifle on its way back to me, you said "I'm going to get another rifle ready for you. I'll make sure to grab one that looks good. I'll even make sure it has a factory test target. I may even throw in some extra mags for your troubles, and I'll reimburse you for having to ship it back out."

You did NOT say "Sean, I'm going to inspect this rifle when you get it out to me, if I decide that I agree with FN's determination on the rifle, THEN I might ship you a replacement. Otherwise I'll do what I feel necessary and tell you about it afterwards."

You asked me yesterday on the phone who's been honest with me this whole time. You completely went back on your word and did not provide what I was promised. So, clearly the answer is "not you."

FN made the determination that the bolt was bad. What happens if sometime down the road, even though highly unlikely, something bad happens and I'm injured. FN will say I was informed that the bolt was defective and that I declined to have it repaired/replaced, not their problem. Are you going to take responsibility?

My point is that when you and FN agreed to take care of me, I had closure. Now I'm left questioning how much faith I should put in this firearm. I've seen what happens when a weak point in a firearm fails; who am I supposed to believe when the manufacturer tells me a bolt is defective and the dealer says it is not?

Sean
 
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To everyone who is wondering why FN did not replace the bolt:

Around 2 or 3 months after FN received the rifle, I received a quote letter for them to redo the "improper bedding." I called Mike Skaramagos and told him about it, and he said to get it back to him and he'd fix it. So, I called FN and said to send it back to me. They'd said nothing about the bolt, so I assumed it was okay.

However, a few days later, I was informed by Ben Voss via the Hide that there was in fact a manufacturing error in the bolt. I was not told about it by the FN reps over the phone because the rifle was in under two different service orders: one for the bolt, and one for the bedding.

At this time, FN was in direct communication with Mike.

I was informed by FN that they and Mike mutually determined that there was no need to interrupt the return process. They said that if FN got around to replacing the bolt before sending it back to me, then all that would be left was for Mike to correct the bedding. If FN did not get around to replacing the bolt, I was told that Mike agreed to replace the rifle, and FN would in turn replace the bad bolt for Mike.

In short, the rifle was already in the process of being sent back to me, and noone wanted to interrupt it, but they mutually determined that everything would get taken care of no matter what.

Fast forward to today, and it's as if this dialogue never took place.

Sean
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To everyone who is wondering why FN did not replace the bolt:

Around 2 or 3 months after FN received the rifle, I received a quote letter for them to redo the "improper bedding." I called Mike Skaramagos and told him about it, and he said to get it back to him and he'd fix it. So, I called FN and said to send it back to me. They'd said nothing about the bolt, so I assumed it was okay.

However, a few days later, I was informed by Ben Voss via the Hide that there was in fact a manufacturing error in the bolt. I was not told about it by the FN reps over the phone because the rifle was in under two different service orders: one for the bolt, and one for the bedding.

At this time, FN was in direct communication with Mike.

I was informed by FN that they and Mike mutually determined that there was no need to interrupt the return process. They said that if FN got around to replacing the bolt before sending it back to me, then all that would be left was for Mike to correct the bedding. If FN did not get around to replacing the bolt, I was told that Mike agreed to replace the rifle, and FN would in turn replace the bad bolt for Mike.

In short, the rifle was already in the process of being sent back to me, and noone wanted to interrupt it, but they mutually determined that everything would get taken care of no matter what.

Fast forward to today, and it's as if this dialogue never took place.

Sean </div></div>

Yea, because FN does there own bedding.. Nope GAP does it.

And this has what to do with a bent firing pin? Nothing..

Nothing wrong with the bolt, New firing pin that I personally replaced out of my own pocket, fresh bedding job that also looks great and yes you did not have to pay for it. Bolt headspace checked, and function fired multiple times, then function test firing pin action not once or twice but 50 times with a dummy round in the chamber to make sure pin did not become distorted. Return shipping paid out of my own pocket, and extra mag sent to customer for hassle, plus called customer on Fathers Day and spent 20min on the phone with him to explain everything.

Yup, I am a terrible dealer I guess?

I'm done here. I guess you can't make everyone happy?

Thank you Gentleman!
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #3333FF">Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.</span>

Mike </div></div>

Chew on this: the AR15 is not a precision bolt action rifle. The AR15 is a battle rifle....
Modular by design, so it can be taken apart easily and parts swapped out. </div></div>

Considering AR15's can be built to be sub-MOA then actually I am correct. The action on the SPR is also modular and can be replaced. It also can be done 5 times faster than an AR.

Same principle...

But neither here nor their. Have a good day gentleman.

Mike
 
Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #3333FF">Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.</span>

Mike </div></div>

Chew on this: <span style="color: #CC0000">the AR15 is not a precision bolt action rifle</span>. The AR15 is a battle rifle....
Modular by design, so it can be taken apart easily and parts swapped out. </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000">Considering AR15's can be built to be sub-MOA then actually I am correct. </span> The action on the SPR is also modular and can be replaced. It also can be done 5 times faster than an AR.

Same principle...

But neither here nor their. Have a good day gentleman.

Mike </div></div>

So now you want to argue the fact that the AR15 is a precision bolt rifle?! I never said they were not accurate rifles. I said they are not the same machine, and their work philosophies are quite different.
 
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