I have a Walther P22 and am thinking of adding a laser. But then I got to thinking, "how much would I actually use this laser?" so my question to all of you is are weapon mounted lasers useful or a waste of money? I highly doubt I would ever be using this pistol in a self defense situtation. Mostly just plinking and match shooting. Thanks
Sidearms & Scatterguns Laser on pistol? Thoughs
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waste of money. for some reason some peeps think seeing a laser will make them shoot better, far from true.
waste of money. for some reason some peeps think seeing a laser will make them shoot better, far from true.
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I had one for awhile on a G23, mainly it was for my former lady friend in case she had to use it when i wasn't there....(never had enough time to get her enough range time). Anyway, i could never force myself to look at that damned laser dot. My eyes always went for the front sight. If you practice with the gun and your proficient enough then the laser is not needed and will only be a distraction.
I had one for awhile on a G23, mainly it was for my former lady friend in case she had to use it when i wasn't there....(never had enough time to get her enough range time). Anyway, i could never force myself to look at that damned laser dot. My eyes always went for the front sight. If you practice with the gun and your proficient enough then the laser is not needed and will only be a distraction.
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learn to shoot the the gun. You dont walk on crutches if you have two good legs do you
learn to shoot the the gun. You dont walk on crutches if you have two good legs do you
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Its a complete waste of money. What if you learn to depend on the laser and when you go to use it, the batteries are dead or the thing just doesn't work? Skip the laser and add a weapon mounted light.
Its a complete waste of money. What if you learn to depend on the laser and when you go to use it, the batteries are dead or the thing just doesn't work? Skip the laser and add a weapon mounted light.
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I use one for training. It really helps my spotter watch my point of aim. Helps tell if I'm pushing as the shot breaks things like that. I don't find any use in everyday use for a normal person. They did come in handy in my military NVG wearing life however. I do leave mine mounted however for the light not the lazer
I use one for training. It really helps my spotter watch my point of aim. Helps tell if I'm pushing as the shot breaks things like that. I don't find any use in everyday use for a normal person. They did come in handy in my military NVG wearing life however. I do leave mine mounted however for the light not the lazer
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I have a CT laser on my 642. Most of my shooting is done on out side ranges and I can't see the red do.
HOWEVER, I think the laser is worth its weight in gold mainly for dry firing.
Dry firing with the laser shows you what actually happens down range. Its great working on your trigger control.
If my shooting starts to go south, I simply go into the shop (where I can see the red dot) and dry fire for a few minutes. I go back to my target and my groups shrink.
The laser works at night or low light where its almost impossalbe to see the sights on the little 642.
I'm a fan of lasers. I agree its faster just to get on your front sight, but there are times where you can't see them.
I have a CT laser on my 642. Most of my shooting is done on out side ranges and I can't see the red do.
HOWEVER, I think the laser is worth its weight in gold mainly for dry firing.
Dry firing with the laser shows you what actually happens down range. Its great working on your trigger control.
If my shooting starts to go south, I simply go into the shop (where I can see the red dot) and dry fire for a few minutes. I go back to my target and my groups shrink.
The laser works at night or low light where its almost impossalbe to see the sights on the little 642.
I'm a fan of lasers. I agree its faster just to get on your front sight, but there are times where you can't see them.
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Alright guys thanks, I really wish I could find a light to fit on the P22. I may buy one just for the training but other than that I'll probably just save my money.
Alright guys thanks, I really wish I could find a light to fit on the P22. I may buy one just for the training but other than that I'll probably just save my money.
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I agree with the advantage of having a spotter observe you during dry fire practice. I have used several lasers outdoors and I have to go against all that is natural to me in order to use the laser. In stead of focusing on the sight picture and target, I am trying to find that red dot.
I agree with the advantage of having a spotter observe you during dry fire practice. I have used several lasers outdoors and I have to go against all that is natural to me in order to use the laser. In stead of focusing on the sight picture and target, I am trying to find that red dot.
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I personally don't like projected lasers, had a pair of crimson trace grips on my Kimber for one range session. On the other hand, I love the c-more red dot on my STI Trubor, You get to where you follow the dot through recoil and can put some rounds out fast.
I personally don't like projected lasers, had a pair of crimson trace grips on my Kimber for one range session. On the other hand, I love the c-more red dot on my STI Trubor, You get to where you follow the dot through recoil and can put some rounds out fast.
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I think lasers have 3 functions on a gun.
One, as a toy, just for fun. Which is really not a bad reason, after all shooting is supposed to be fun.
Two, as an intimidating deterant, not so much a good idea but I kinda see the value.
Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
So depending on what your purpose or what your skill level is, it can be useful but I think they can hinder progress in being a better shooter. I personally don't own any, but I have used them and have had soome fun with them in the past. I believe that there is always room for improvement and even when I work on more advanced techniques, I still focus on my fundimentals, Front sight, trigger control, breathing, etc.
I think lasers have 3 functions on a gun.
One, as a toy, just for fun. Which is really not a bad reason, after all shooting is supposed to be fun.
Two, as an intimidating deterant, not so much a good idea but I kinda see the value.
Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
So depending on what your purpose or what your skill level is, it can be useful but I think they can hinder progress in being a better shooter. I personally don't own any, but I have used them and have had soome fun with them in the past. I believe that there is always room for improvement and even when I work on more advanced techniques, I still focus on my fundimentals, Front sight, trigger control, breathing, etc.
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I'm a firm believer in point shooting for defensive handgun.
A laser serves to reinforce 'muscle memory' during drills.
I think it's counterproductive if you are a 'Put the front sight on the target, and focus on the front sight while aligning the front and rear sights with the weapon held at eye level' kind of guy, since the laser tends to cause reliance on the device, and not the more complex act of sight picture shooting.
I'm a firm believer in point shooting for defensive handgun.
A laser serves to reinforce 'muscle memory' during drills.
I think it's counterproductive if you are a 'Put the front sight on the target, and focus on the front sight while aligning the front and rear sights with the weapon held at eye level' kind of guy, since the laser tends to cause reliance on the device, and not the more complex act of sight picture shooting.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
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I was just gettin ready to reply to kraig and then read this, and i couldnt agree more. i think this is the first time ive disagreed with something kraig has said but anyway,
a laser as a training device, i dont see it and think it is more harmful than good. A laser on the wall 20 feet away wont tell you anything your front sight post wont if you are in fact doing what you should be and honing in on nothing but the front sight post. This idea in my opinion lends to training your brain that you watch the target area for trigger break feedback, a bad trait to practice. as a matter of fact think about it, how can you watch what that laser does at the point of trigger break if your watching your sight? a great pistol shooter will be married to the front sight post thru follow thru. I believe it works for Kraig ok cause he's a quite experienced shooter, not the norm. point is, any dry firing practice should be done with your sights, not a laser, and if you dont believe optimum feedback can be gained by your sights alone try this little experiment........
(verify gun is clear) charge the gun, take a good stance and grip, aim your pistol concentrating on the front sight post, and quickly and harshly mash the trigger. what did your front sight do? ok now shift your grip and repeat, now shift your trigger placement and repeat, startin to see that grip matters, and trigger placement? now take what grip and trigger finger placement worked best for least amount of jump and dry fire like you would normally. watch that front sight not move through the trigger break. this is building trigger control while re-inforcing becoming one with your front sight. Oh and never needing a "spotter", since the wife probably wont wanna watch your dot for you on the tv as you dry fire practice every night like i do
ok so as a training aid, i dont think its a good idea.
now the realm i could almost go with is for say a wife that has next to no shooting skills, on a pistol she knows where it is and how to turn it on, for a home defense oh shit scenerio, but even this I wouldnt like.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
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I was just gettin ready to reply to kraig and then read this, and i couldnt agree more. i think this is the first time ive disagreed with something kraig has said but anyway,
a laser as a training device, i dont see it and think it is more harmful than good. A laser on the wall 20 feet away wont tell you anything your front sight post wont if you are in fact doing what you should be and honing in on nothing but the front sight post. This idea in my opinion lends to training your brain that you watch the target area for trigger break feedback, a bad trait to practice. as a matter of fact think about it, how can you watch what that laser does at the point of trigger break if your watching your sight? a great pistol shooter will be married to the front sight post thru follow thru. I believe it works for Kraig ok cause he's a quite experienced shooter, not the norm. point is, any dry firing practice should be done with your sights, not a laser, and if you dont believe optimum feedback can be gained by your sights alone try this little experiment........
(verify gun is clear) charge the gun, take a good stance and grip, aim your pistol concentrating on the front sight post, and quickly and harshly mash the trigger. what did your front sight do? ok now shift your grip and repeat, now shift your trigger placement and repeat, startin to see that grip matters, and trigger placement? now take what grip and trigger finger placement worked best for least amount of jump and dry fire like you would normally. watch that front sight not move through the trigger break. this is building trigger control while re-inforcing becoming one with your front sight. Oh and never needing a "spotter", since the wife probably wont wanna watch your dot for you on the tv as you dry fire practice every night like i do
ok so as a training aid, i dont think its a good idea.
now the realm i could almost go with is for say a wife that has next to no shooting skills, on a pistol she knows where it is and how to turn it on, for a home defense oh shit scenerio, but even this I wouldnt like.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
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I was just gettin ready to reply to kraig and then read this, and i couldnt agree more. i think this is the first time ive disagreed with something kraig has said but anyway,
a laser as a training device, i dont see it and think it is more harmful than good. A laser on the wall 20 feet away wont tell you anything your front sight post wont if you are in fact doing what you should be and honing in on nothing but the front sight post. This idea in my opinion lends to training your brain that you watch the target area for trigger break feedback, a bad trait to practice. as a matter of fact think about it, how can you watch what that laser does at the point of trigger break if your watching your sight? a great pistol shooter will be married to the front sight post thru follow thru. I believe it works for Kraig ok cause he's a quite experienced shooter, not the norm. point is, any dry firing practice should be done with your sights, not a laser, and if you dont believe optimum feedback can be gained by your sights alone try this little experiment........
(verify gun is clear) charge the gun, take a good stance and grip, aim your pistol concentrating on the front sight post, and quickly and harshly mash the trigger. what did your front sight do? ok now shift your grip and repeat, now shift your trigger placement and repeat, startin to see that grip matters, and trigger placement? now take what grip and trigger finger placement worked best for least amount of jump and dry fire like you would normally. watch that front sight not move through the trigger break. this is building trigger control while re-inforcing becoming one with your front sight.
ok so as a training aid, i dont think its a good idea.
now the realm i could almost go with is for say a wife that has next to no shooting skills, on a pistol she knows where it is and how to turn it on, for a home defense oh shit scenerio, but even this I wouldnt like.</div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Three, as a training aid, this is a poor idea imo. If you are still jerking the trigger or anticipating the shot you shouldn't be watching the target.
</div></div>
I was just gettin ready to reply to kraig and then read this, and i couldnt agree more. i think this is the first time ive disagreed with something kraig has said but anyway,
a laser as a training device, i dont see it and think it is more harmful than good. A laser on the wall 20 feet away wont tell you anything your front sight post wont if you are in fact doing what you should be and honing in on nothing but the front sight post. This idea in my opinion lends to training your brain that you watch the target area for trigger break feedback, a bad trait to practice. as a matter of fact think about it, how can you watch what that laser does at the point of trigger break if your watching your sight? a great pistol shooter will be married to the front sight post thru follow thru. I believe it works for Kraig ok cause he's a quite experienced shooter, not the norm. point is, any dry firing practice should be done with your sights, not a laser, and if you dont believe optimum feedback can be gained by your sights alone try this little experiment........
(verify gun is clear) charge the gun, take a good stance and grip, aim your pistol concentrating on the front sight post, and quickly and harshly mash the trigger. what did your front sight do? ok now shift your grip and repeat, now shift your trigger placement and repeat, startin to see that grip matters, and trigger placement? now take what grip and trigger finger placement worked best for least amount of jump and dry fire like you would normally. watch that front sight not move through the trigger break. this is building trigger control while re-inforcing becoming one with your front sight.
ok so as a training aid, i dont think its a good idea.
now the realm i could almost go with is for say a wife that has next to no shooting skills, on a pistol she knows where it is and how to turn it on, for a home defense oh shit scenerio, but even this I wouldnt like.</div></div>
+1
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Interesting. I still have a light/laser combo on my HD sidearm to this day...after 13 years of LEO/ground combat experience. When the window breaks, the alarm goes off, or you find someone you don't know standing in your living room at 0200...all these "range drills" will go right the F@#*K out the window. I don't mind having a secondary aiming aid when "buck fever" hits, and it will, and/or I'm injured and have to go single hand.
Home CINC and her abilities, and lack there of, are also a second reason I have one.
These are all inclemet weather/night time scenarios I'm talking about here...the combo is simply the extra weight/weapon configuration I need to be use to when I transition from day time/night time.
but...to the OP...on a p22 you'll have a blast with the laser. Have fun...that's what its about.
Interesting. I still have a light/laser combo on my HD sidearm to this day...after 13 years of LEO/ground combat experience. When the window breaks, the alarm goes off, or you find someone you don't know standing in your living room at 0200...all these "range drills" will go right the F@#*K out the window. I don't mind having a secondary aiming aid when "buck fever" hits, and it will, and/or I'm injured and have to go single hand.
Home CINC and her abilities, and lack there of, are also a second reason I have one.
These are all inclemet weather/night time scenarios I'm talking about here...the combo is simply the extra weight/weapon configuration I need to be use to when I transition from day time/night time.
but...to the OP...on a p22 you'll have a blast with the laser. Have fun...that's what its about.
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It took a while, but I put a CT on my G19. I find comfort in using the laser as a tool. Obviously, one must train and be good with sights (which you should have night sights for a SD gun). The laser is a lot of fun at the range. A lot of people stare for some reason. It is a good aid for trigger control. That laser will let you know if you are changing POI during dry fire. The Laser gives me that extra confidence in case I do every have to defend myself. You can never tell what position you will be in to defend yourself and the laser will help if you have to "shoot from the hip", around a corner, from a seated position in your car, etc.
The laser has also given my wife confidence in shooting. There just isn't any reason not to have one.
It took a while, but I put a CT on my G19. I find comfort in using the laser as a tool. Obviously, one must train and be good with sights (which you should have night sights for a SD gun). The laser is a lot of fun at the range. A lot of people stare for some reason. It is a good aid for trigger control. That laser will let you know if you are changing POI during dry fire. The Laser gives me that extra confidence in case I do every have to defend myself. You can never tell what position you will be in to defend yourself and the laser will help if you have to "shoot from the hip", around a corner, from a seated position in your car, etc.
The laser has also given my wife confidence in shooting. There just isn't any reason not to have one.
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I had one on a Glock for a while and used it quite a bit. I think that is IS a good training aid because it does show you a lot more movement than the front sight post does. As for shooting though, it was useless to me. It would cause too much conflict in my attention and focus when using with the sights, and way too slow to get on target. Also it is impossible to follow through recoil. The one bonus is that you can do cool shit like making head shots from 30 yards from the hip after a 12 pack. But I really can't advocate a shooting product if my advice includes alcohol, not with a straight face anyhow.
I had one on a Glock for a while and used it quite a bit. I think that is IS a good training aid because it does show you a lot more movement than the front sight post does. As for shooting though, it was useless to me. It would cause too much conflict in my attention and focus when using with the sights, and way too slow to get on target. Also it is impossible to follow through recoil. The one bonus is that you can do cool shit like making head shots from 30 yards from the hip after a 12 pack. But I really can't advocate a shooting product if my advice includes alcohol, not with a straight face anyhow.
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I think the key advantage of a laser is if you were injured...
..you could be shot, lying on the ground, incapable of properly "presenting" the pistol to use the sights, yet score a perfect headshot/CHS hit on a bad guy.
I hear people talk about how a bad guy will stop in his tracks when he sees the laser on him. I don't think he'd ever notice.
For training, it has it's uses, but I find I am DEAD SLOW when actually trying to aim shots with a laser.
I think the key advantage of a laser is if you were injured...
..you could be shot, lying on the ground, incapable of properly "presenting" the pistol to use the sights, yet score a perfect headshot/CHS hit on a bad guy.
I hear people talk about how a bad guy will stop in his tracks when he sees the laser on him. I don't think he'd ever notice.
For training, it has it's uses, but I find I am DEAD SLOW when actually trying to aim shots with a laser.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BenY 2013</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Walther P22 and am thinking of adding a laser. But then I got to thinking, "how much would I actually use this laser?" so my question to all of you is are weapon mounted lasers useful or a waste of money? I highly doubt I would ever be using this pistol in a self defense situtation. Mostly just plinking and match shooting. Thanks </div></div>
Not going to help you become more accurate. A laser grip is practical for night time self-defense situations. I actually prefer a good set of night sights, as you don't have to worry about batteries or failure for 8-12 years. Lasers only aid in shooting from odd positions where you can't aim down the sights, or don't have time to aim down the sights. I would prefer a small laser like a grip laser vs one you attach to an accessory rail and have to manually turn on. If you practice drawing and then point shooting from the hip at close range like 7 yards, you can become proficient enough to hit a man sized target without a laser.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BenY 2013</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Walther P22 and am thinking of adding a laser. But then I got to thinking, "how much would I actually use this laser?" so my question to all of you is are weapon mounted lasers useful or a waste of money? I highly doubt I would ever be using this pistol in a self defense situtation. Mostly just plinking and match shooting. Thanks </div></div>
Not going to help you become more accurate. A laser grip is practical for night time self-defense situations. I actually prefer a good set of night sights, as you don't have to worry about batteries or failure for 8-12 years. Lasers only aid in shooting from odd positions where you can't aim down the sights, or don't have time to aim down the sights. I would prefer a small laser like a grip laser vs one you attach to an accessory rail and have to manually turn on. If you practice drawing and then point shooting from the hip at close range like 7 yards, you can become proficient enough to hit a man sized target without a laser.
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I think the lasers are way over hyped. Especially for defense cause in day light its going to be hard to pick up anyways and at night it still won't help you ID what you pointing your gun at.
A flashlight to me would be the the only thing worth ever mounting to your handgun.
I think the lasers are way over hyped. Especially for defense cause in day light its going to be hard to pick up anyways and at night it still won't help you ID what you pointing your gun at.
A flashlight to me would be the the only thing worth ever mounting to your handgun.
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The primary advantage of a laser is demonstrated at night. When you are behind a wall of white light folks on the other side are oblivious to the fact that you have a weapon unless you dance a dot on them.
Good luck
The primary advantage of a laser is demonstrated at night. When you are behind a wall of white light folks on the other side are oblivious to the fact that you have a weapon unless you dance a dot on them.
Good luck
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they have their place, but you damn sure dont need to get in the habit of relying on them. I have a set of CT grips, but leave it turned off all the time. if i ever need it, it will be there
they have their place, but you damn sure dont need to get in the habit of relying on them. I have a set of CT grips, but leave it turned off all the time. if i ever need it, it will be there
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear people talk about how a bad guy will stop in his tracks when he sees the laser on him. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....the other side are oblivious to the fact that you have a weapon unless you dance a dot on them.</div></div>
This is not ethical in my opinion. I view a laser the same was as I view a muzzle-sweep, loaded or not, neither are to ever be pointed at someone unless the trigger is going to be pulled. Don't know the laws in your states, but that could very well be illegeal in some states.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bobo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they have their place, but you damn sure dont need to get in the habit of relying on them. </div></div>
+1!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sudnrush</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the lasers are way over hyped. Especially for defense cause in day light its going to be hard to pick up anyways and at night it still won't help you ID what you pointing your gun at.
A flashlight to me would be the the only thing worth ever mounting to your handgun. </div></div>
+1, but I wouldn't even mount a light on mine. I prefer a small handheld that I can flash on and off very quickly, and my barrel won't be muzzle-sweeping everying my light is.....especially at my house....
I would only laser up pocket rockets LCP size, and grip lasers only. The sights are VERY small, and at distance in a life or death situation, a laser will help with shot <span style="text-decoration: underline">placement</span>. But then again, only at <span style="text-decoration: underline">the</span> given distance the laser is sighted in at........placement at other distances won't be exact, so really, I'll spend my $$ on mags, ammo, and practice.....but to each their own.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hear people talk about how a bad guy will stop in his tracks when he sees the laser on him. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.....the other side are oblivious to the fact that you have a weapon unless you dance a dot on them.</div></div>
This is not ethical in my opinion. I view a laser the same was as I view a muzzle-sweep, loaded or not, neither are to ever be pointed at someone unless the trigger is going to be pulled. Don't know the laws in your states, but that could very well be illegeal in some states.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bobo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">they have their place, but you damn sure dont need to get in the habit of relying on them. </div></div>
+1!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sudnrush</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the lasers are way over hyped. Especially for defense cause in day light its going to be hard to pick up anyways and at night it still won't help you ID what you pointing your gun at.
A flashlight to me would be the the only thing worth ever mounting to your handgun. </div></div>
+1, but I wouldn't even mount a light on mine. I prefer a small handheld that I can flash on and off very quickly, and my barrel won't be muzzle-sweeping everying my light is.....especially at my house....
I would only laser up pocket rockets LCP size, and grip lasers only. The sights are VERY small, and at distance in a life or death situation, a laser will help with shot <span style="text-decoration: underline">placement</span>. But then again, only at <span style="text-decoration: underline">the</span> given distance the laser is sighted in at........placement at other distances won't be exact, so really, I'll spend my $$ on mags, ammo, and practice.....but to each their own.
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I was going from my shop to hang a pistol target and dern near stepped on two large bullsnakes. So they're out. I don't mess with bull snakes but it made me think about last summer when just after dark I came across a rattler under my back steps.
At the time I had grandkids running around the yard and we all know grandkids don't play well together.
Without the laser I doubt I would have got the sucker. If I'd taken the time to fetch a flash light he'd probably been gone.
With the CT laser on my pocket revolver I was able to dispatch the critter.
They have their uses.
I was going from my shop to hang a pistol target and dern near stepped on two large bullsnakes. So they're out. I don't mess with bull snakes but it made me think about last summer when just after dark I came across a rattler under my back steps.
At the time I had grandkids running around the yard and we all know grandkids don't play well together.
Without the laser I doubt I would have got the sucker. If I'd taken the time to fetch a flash light he'd probably been gone.
With the CT laser on my pocket revolver I was able to dispatch the critter.
They have their uses.
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I have 1911's with and without CT grips.
I've not removed the iron sights on those with the laser grips. It's not an either or, both can cheerfully co exist and most people with half a brain will be proficient with both and use whichever is best in the circumstances.
At the range I don't use them, for EDC I do.
Knowing how quickly and easily an aggressive attacker can prevent me from getting into anything resembling a solid shooting stance and how easy it is to deflect or remove a pistol from outstretched and locked arms, I rather like the fact that i can keep my pistol low and close to my hip and get solid, repeated hits on COM shooting strong or weak handed with a laser. I don't need to focus on the dot, it's very easy to see periphially.
If you are able to align your sights and press the trigger whilst someone is trying to punch you in the face I take my hat off to you.
I have 1911's with and without CT grips.
I've not removed the iron sights on those with the laser grips. It's not an either or, both can cheerfully co exist and most people with half a brain will be proficient with both and use whichever is best in the circumstances.
At the range I don't use them, for EDC I do.
Knowing how quickly and easily an aggressive attacker can prevent me from getting into anything resembling a solid shooting stance and how easy it is to deflect or remove a pistol from outstretched and locked arms, I rather like the fact that i can keep my pistol low and close to my hip and get solid, repeated hits on COM shooting strong or weak handed with a laser. I don't need to focus on the dot, it's very easy to see periphially.
If you are able to align your sights and press the trigger whilst someone is trying to punch you in the face I take my hat off to you.
Re: Laser on pistol? Thoughs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
At the time I had grandkids running around the yard and we all know grandkids don't play well together.
Without the laser I doubt I would have got the sucker. If I'd taken the time to fetch a flash light he'd probably been gone.
With the CT laser on my pocket revolver I was able to dispatch the critter.
They have their uses.</div></div>
It seems like you are arguing more for a mounted flashlight here than a laser.
I think I would have to pull the sight off completely if I used a laser. I would have a difficult time figuring out which to use as my guide and would end up taking longer to line up front sight, rear sight, and laser dot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
At the time I had grandkids running around the yard and we all know grandkids don't play well together.
Without the laser I doubt I would have got the sucker. If I'd taken the time to fetch a flash light he'd probably been gone.
With the CT laser on my pocket revolver I was able to dispatch the critter.
They have their uses.</div></div>
It seems like you are arguing more for a mounted flashlight here than a laser.
I think I would have to pull the sight off completely if I used a laser. I would have a difficult time figuring out which to use as my guide and would end up taking longer to line up front sight, rear sight, and laser dot.
