1000yards say>? 1200Yards?
Whose is dialing in and who is holding.?
Whose is dialing in and who is holding.?
Fieldcraft Dialing Dope or Holding
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Wind or elevation, or both? Slow fire or something else? 1 mph wind or 10 mph wind? Tues afternoon or Sat morning? Have I argued with my wife in the last 24 hours?
Wind or elevation, or both? Slow fire or something else? 1 mph wind or 10 mph wind? Tues afternoon or Sat morning? Have I argued with my wife in the last 24 hours?
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Dial-in for predominant condition, holdoff for changes.
Dial-in for predominant condition, holdoff for changes.
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Generally, I dial elevation and hold wind.
Generally, I dial elevation and hold wind.
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poa poi....hold if you need a follow up
poa poi....hold if you need a follow up
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I think that dialing things in is more precise if you have time to do it. At longer ranges, holding off, even with hash marks like the TMR or Horus reticle isn't quite as precise as dialing everything.
In matches where there are numerous targets at various distances, and I have time to develop a range card, and and match up my reticle with the target distances, I have used hold off to great effect. But that takes time to do.
I have the TMR reticle that has hash marks at half, and full mils, so I have 10 aiming points. The range card notations beside targets look something like this:
#1 @ 387 yards, hold line 3 at top of plate
#2 @ 186 yards, hold line 1 on top of plate
#3 @ 486 yards, hold line 5 at bottom of plate
and so on... that way, I don't have to dial up and down. I can usually remember the next one or sometimes two hold points, so I don't have to refer to the range card for every target.
But I still think that dialing is more precise if time permits.
I think that dialing things in is more precise if you have time to do it. At longer ranges, holding off, even with hash marks like the TMR or Horus reticle isn't quite as precise as dialing everything.
In matches where there are numerous targets at various distances, and I have time to develop a range card, and and match up my reticle with the target distances, I have used hold off to great effect. But that takes time to do.
I have the TMR reticle that has hash marks at half, and full mils, so I have 10 aiming points. The range card notations beside targets look something like this:
#1 @ 387 yards, hold line 3 at top of plate
#2 @ 186 yards, hold line 1 on top of plate
#3 @ 486 yards, hold line 5 at bottom of plate
and so on... that way, I don't have to dial up and down. I can usually remember the next one or sometimes two hold points, so I don't have to refer to the range card for every target.
But I still think that dialing is more precise if time permits.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that dialing things in is more precise if you have time to do it. At longer ranges, holding off, even with hash marks like the TMR or Horus reticle isn't quite as precise as dialing everything.
In matches where there are numerous targets at various distances, and I have time to develop a range card, and and match up my reticle with the target distances, I have used hold off to great effect. But that takes time to do.
I have the TMR reticle that has hash marks at half, and full mils, so I have 10 aiming points. The range card notations beside targets look something like this:
#1 @ 387 yards, hold line 3 at top of plate
#2 @ 186 yards, hold line 1 on top of plate
#3 @ 486 yards, hold line 5 at bottom of plate
and so on... that way, I don't have to dial up and down. I can usually remember the next one or sometimes two hold points, so I don't have to refer to the range card for every target.
But I still think that dialing is more precise if time permits. </div></div>
Thanks Unknown.
I assumed most were holding for wind.
Your post makes alot of sense. shorter yardages prolley make it easier to hold.
I wasn't sure if you had (have) time was it worth dialing at longer yardages.(600-1000+)
We don't have alot of Marked ranges, +300 yards, one a 700. Most practice will be ranged and targeted, at some unknown locations (hayfield). We don't have matches up here. We'll have some AMGA and some carbine, handgun and shotgun courses.
Thanks for the info.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that dialing things in is more precise if you have time to do it. At longer ranges, holding off, even with hash marks like the TMR or Horus reticle isn't quite as precise as dialing everything.
In matches where there are numerous targets at various distances, and I have time to develop a range card, and and match up my reticle with the target distances, I have used hold off to great effect. But that takes time to do.
I have the TMR reticle that has hash marks at half, and full mils, so I have 10 aiming points. The range card notations beside targets look something like this:
#1 @ 387 yards, hold line 3 at top of plate
#2 @ 186 yards, hold line 1 on top of plate
#3 @ 486 yards, hold line 5 at bottom of plate
and so on... that way, I don't have to dial up and down. I can usually remember the next one or sometimes two hold points, so I don't have to refer to the range card for every target.
But I still think that dialing is more precise if time permits. </div></div>
Thanks Unknown.
I assumed most were holding for wind.
Your post makes alot of sense. shorter yardages prolley make it easier to hold.
I wasn't sure if you had (have) time was it worth dialing at longer yardages.(600-1000+)
We don't have alot of Marked ranges, +300 yards, one a 700. Most practice will be ranged and targeted, at some unknown locations (hayfield). We don't have matches up here. We'll have some AMGA and some carbine, handgun and shotgun courses.
Thanks for the info.
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Dialing for sure
Dialing for sure
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With the TMR, NPR1, NPR2, MLR, P4 Fine or any other recital that has graduations on the wires you should learn both dial up and hold over/under, leads and wind holds. Learn to deploy a 400 yard battle zero and multiple engagements at different distance becomes faster.
I now use the NPR1 but have used the TMR and Mildot. 90% of the time I dial my come ups and hold for wind.
With the TMR, NPR1, NPR2, MLR, P4 Fine or any other recital that has graduations on the wires you should learn both dial up and hold over/under, leads and wind holds. Learn to deploy a 400 yard battle zero and multiple engagements at different distance becomes faster.
I now use the NPR1 but have used the TMR and Mildot. 90% of the time I dial my come ups and hold for wind.
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I dial elevation and windage if I have time but hold off when on the fly.
I dial elevation and windage if I have time but hold off when on the fly.
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I dial in elevation. I want to be able to utilize the precision tracking that I invested good money into. I hold wind because it is so dynamic.
I dial in elevation. I want to be able to utilize the precision tracking that I invested good money into. I hold wind because it is so dynamic.
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dial elevation. hold wind
dial elevation. hold wind
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Depends on whether the reticle allows for Kentucky windage and holdover simultaneously. Do that if it does.
Playing with your knob might be more precise sometimes, depending on the range and accuracy needed to make the hit.
Experiment with both and see which you have better performance with.
Depends on whether the reticle allows for Kentucky windage and holdover simultaneously. Do that if it does.
Playing with your knob might be more precise sometimes, depending on the range and accuracy needed to make the hit.
Experiment with both and see which you have better performance with.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Playing with your knob might be more precise sometimes, depending on the range and accuracy needed to make the hit.</div></div>That's epic, Casey!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Playing with your knob might be more precise sometimes, depending on the range and accuracy needed to make the hit.</div></div>That's epic, Casey!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally, I dial elevation and hold wind. </div></div>
Yep same here
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally, I dial elevation and hold wind. </div></div>
Yep same here
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Graham I was wondering who might get that. Good hearing from you.
Graham I was wondering who might get that. Good hearing from you.
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I hope I made the right reticule choice for my F-open rifle. I got a 10-50x60 with a .125 target dot and 1/8 MOA turrets.
Reasoning:
- Known distance, so no need for ranging reticule.
- 30 minutes to shoot 20 rounds. Should be plenty of time to dial.
- Uncluttered FOV for better wind reads.
I'm brand new to the game, and based my choice on what I've read.
I hope I made the right reticule choice for my F-open rifle. I got a 10-50x60 with a .125 target dot and 1/8 MOA turrets.
Reasoning:
- Known distance, so no need for ranging reticule.
- 30 minutes to shoot 20 rounds. Should be plenty of time to dial.
- Uncluttered FOV for better wind reads.
I'm brand new to the game, and based my choice on what I've read.
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No matter for duty or competitions I have always dialed elevation and would only do holds on windage. As stated earlier - it is very dynamic and the wind changes quickly in a blink of and eye. My training has always been shoot, reload, get the correction and do a follow-up shot with in 3 seconds of the correction called by my spotter or what I see on my own as needed for my corrections. May not apply too much here but this is from my real world applications and not having time to deal with a turret when shooting at extreme ranges. IMO
No matter for duty or competitions I have always dialed elevation and would only do holds on windage. As stated earlier - it is very dynamic and the wind changes quickly in a blink of and eye. My training has always been shoot, reload, get the correction and do a follow-up shot with in 3 seconds of the correction called by my spotter or what I see on my own as needed for my corrections. May not apply too much here but this is from my real world applications and not having time to deal with a turret when shooting at extreme ranges. IMO
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope I made the right reticule choice for my F-open rifle. I got a 10-50x60 with a .125 target dot and 1/8 MOA turrets.
Reasoning:
- Known distance, so no need for ranging reticule.
- 30 minutes to shoot 20 rounds. Should be plenty of time to dial.
- Uncluttered FOV for better wind reads.
I'm brand new to the game, and based my choice on what I've read. </div></div>
You did fine for F class shooting. The X-ring is only 1/2 MOA. With time you will find the 1/8 MOA clicks very useful in to get your shots on the "water line" across the center of the target. Windage you'll have to find what works for you. Some hold, some dial, some do a little of both. Guys who have shot Palma/HP tend to dial more. Holding off you need to remember what and why you held off last shot for the next shot. You can get lost in it.
I'm far from an expert at it, but personally I never hold outside of the 10-ring, that's 1/2MOA from the center of the X-ring, if I think need that much I'll either dial it or wait.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope I made the right reticule choice for my F-open rifle. I got a 10-50x60 with a .125 target dot and 1/8 MOA turrets.
Reasoning:
- Known distance, so no need for ranging reticule.
- 30 minutes to shoot 20 rounds. Should be plenty of time to dial.
- Uncluttered FOV for better wind reads.
I'm brand new to the game, and based my choice on what I've read. </div></div>
You did fine for F class shooting. The X-ring is only 1/2 MOA. With time you will find the 1/8 MOA clicks very useful in to get your shots on the "water line" across the center of the target. Windage you'll have to find what works for you. Some hold, some dial, some do a little of both. Guys who have shot Palma/HP tend to dial more. Holding off you need to remember what and why you held off last shot for the next shot. You can get lost in it.
I'm far from an expert at it, but personally I never hold outside of the 10-ring, that's 1/2MOA from the center of the X-ring, if I think need that much I'll either dial it or wait.
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Dude when shooting F Class there is no need for ranging ret. You dial for base wind and elevation. Then you use rings to hold for center.
Lets say you hold dead center and get a six O'Clock 9 ring. Well hold 12 O'Clock 9 ring and you will find center if condition is the same.
As conditions change you end up holding dirrent areas of target to find center.
The guys who dial back and forth as conditions change tend to F up and dial wrong. Sooner or latter it gets them all
Dude when shooting F Class there is no need for ranging ret. You dial for base wind and elevation. Then you use rings to hold for center.
Lets say you hold dead center and get a six O'Clock 9 ring. Well hold 12 O'Clock 9 ring and you will find center if condition is the same.
As conditions change you end up holding dirrent areas of target to find center.
The guys who dial back and forth as conditions change tend to F up and dial wrong. Sooner or latter it gets them all
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Dialing elevation, holding wind...
Wyne
Dialing elevation, holding wind...
Wyne
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I run a 300yd Zero and hold for slap shots from 100yds to 600yds. I mostly dial elevation past 600yds, and always hold for wind. Unless its strong constant value. If wind has a constant for that time like lets say median of 5mph left I dial on that amount and hold for pick ups and left offs.
John
I run a 300yd Zero and hold for slap shots from 100yds to 600yds. I mostly dial elevation past 600yds, and always hold for wind. Unless its strong constant value. If wind has a constant for that time like lets say median of 5mph left I dial on that amount and hold for pick ups and left offs.
John
