Going to buy one or the other just wondering what the pros and cons of each are and how comparable the glass quality is
Rifle Scopes USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
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Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
USO.
I like that I can order what I want and some of the best customer service around.
USO.
I like that I can order what I want and some of the best customer service around.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
Blaster,
Both scopes are top of the line cost about the same.
You get better options with the USOs. Quality control and customer service with USO are excellent.
Blaster,
Both scopes are top of the line cost about the same.
You get better options with the USOs. Quality control and customer service with USO are excellent.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I will be buying used so I will not be ordering the options I want, however I did find one with pretty much everything I want for a good price. I really like premiers MOA reticle, I will only be buying MOA reticle, I prefer that over mills.
I will be buying used so I will not be ordering the options I want, however I did find one with pretty much everything I want for a good price. I really like premiers MOA reticle, I will only be buying MOA reticle, I prefer that over mills.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I do think that USO is more of a "Burger King" philosophy, have it your way...I run USO's on three rifles and I like them all. I have not seen a Premier so I can't comment. If you can find someone around you that has optics for you to look through all that much better to decide.
I do think that USO is more of a "Burger King" philosophy, have it your way...I run USO's on three rifles and I like them all. I have not seen a Premier so I can't comment. If you can find someone around you that has optics for you to look through all that much better to decide.
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I just traded off a Premier 5-25 for a USO 5-25. Couldn't be happier with the trade. Glass is comparable, but the options for the USO can't be beat. I'll be sending it in for an internal bubble level retrofit next month.
I just traded off a Premier 5-25 for a USO 5-25. Couldn't be happier with the trade. Glass is comparable, but the options for the USO can't be beat. I'll be sending it in for an internal bubble level retrofit next month.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blaster7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be buying used so I will not be ordering the options I want, however I did find one with pretty much everything I want for a good price. I really like premiers MOA reticle, I will only be buying MOA reticle, I prefer that over mills.</div></div>
lazy will sell you a new USO @ used price
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blaster7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will be buying used so I will not be ordering the options I want, however I did find one with pretty much everything I want for a good price. I really like premiers MOA reticle, I will only be buying MOA reticle, I prefer that over mills.</div></div>
lazy will sell you a new USO @ used price
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
+10000 for Lazy and his deals!!!!
+10000 for Lazy and his deals!!!!
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
One feature that really sold me on a Premier was the tool less zero turrets. Also, their MOA reticle is truly awesome and precise. Premier's are built like a tank (34mm tube) and knobs/clicks are great. I've only handled one USO scope and it seemed solid as well. A lot of these things are personal preference but I think for a tactical scope the Premier is the way to go. I thought it was odd the USO scopes have "US OPTICS" in big bold white letters on the side of the objective lens bell, not good option for tactical users, they should consider maybe subdued lettering. Anyway both scopes track great, have good internals, the only thing I would say the Premier has better than a USO is clearer glass. As always the best thing to do is handle both yourself and see what fits you best.
One feature that really sold me on a Premier was the tool less zero turrets. Also, their MOA reticle is truly awesome and precise. Premier's are built like a tank (34mm tube) and knobs/clicks are great. I've only handled one USO scope and it seemed solid as well. A lot of these things are personal preference but I think for a tactical scope the Premier is the way to go. I thought it was odd the USO scopes have "US OPTICS" in big bold white letters on the side of the objective lens bell, not good option for tactical users, they should consider maybe subdued lettering. Anyway both scopes track great, have good internals, the only thing I would say the Premier has better than a USO is clearer glass. As always the best thing to do is handle both yourself and see what fits you best.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+10000 for Lazy and his deals!!!! </div></div>
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
Talk to Lazy before you decide to buy used.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+10000 for Lazy and his deals!!!! </div></div>
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
Talk to Lazy before you decide to buy used.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I don't own either, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have used both scopes, but they did belong to someone else, so I didn't do a lot of adjusting. I just used them. Doing a side by side, I felt that the Premiere had noticeably better glass. That is, of course, not to say that the USO was bad. If it hadn't been a side by side comparison, I really don't know that I would have been able to tell the difference.
I don't own either, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have used both scopes, but they did belong to someone else, so I didn't do a lot of adjusting. I just used them. Doing a side by side, I felt that the Premiere had noticeably better glass. That is, of course, not to say that the USO was bad. If it hadn't been a side by side comparison, I really don't know that I would have been able to tell the difference.
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I have both a PH 3-15 and a USO 3.2-17. The glass is pretty comparable, my eyes can't tell the difference. The PH came from the factory with a broken parallax adjustment. PH fixed the issue in a timely manner, though obviously I don't like to get any expensive items defective from the factory.
The USO I have is great. I've used it for both long range tactical shooting, and on my hunting rig. It performed admirably in both applications. I'm in the process of ordering another USO for my GAP-10.
I have both a PH 3-15 and a USO 3.2-17. The glass is pretty comparable, my eyes can't tell the difference. The PH came from the factory with a broken parallax adjustment. PH fixed the issue in a timely manner, though obviously I don't like to get any expensive items defective from the factory.
The USO I have is great. I've used it for both long range tactical shooting, and on my hunting rig. It performed admirably in both applications. I'm in the process of ordering another USO for my GAP-10.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
Both are quality scopes but id have to say USO IMHO
Both are quality scopes but id have to say USO IMHO
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
USO. Get every option you want including an internal bubble level which no other scope manufacture offers that I'm aware of.
Good luck,
Merritt
USO. Get every option you want including an internal bubble level which no other scope manufacture offers that I'm aware of.
Good luck,
Merritt
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I have several USO & Premier scopes, and like both. For me the glass quality is similiar and both are a step above NF. It really comes down to which reticle you want and what options.
I have several USO & Premier scopes, and like both. For me the glass quality is similiar and both are a step above NF. It really comes down to which reticle you want and what options.
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I've owned both and have shot a PH 5-25 side by side with a USO 3.8-22. In terms of turrets, I always liked the USO EREK for its low profile and positive, well spaced increments. The PH's MTC is also excellent, providing sharp 'clicks & clunks'. But the MTC turret clicks are more closely spaced, so going a tenth past your dope can happen easier, if you ain't careful. Personal preference on what you like better, regarding turret adjustments.
The PH's tool-less re-settable design is great, especially if you swap scopes around.
Tracking, they do or they don't. Never had a problem with either company.
Reticles, personal preference. Both companies offer very useable designs. Gen IIXR in the PH 25X is the tits, IMHO.
As far as glass in those particular two scopes, the PH had a noticeable edge, to my eyes.
For a big purchase, you owe it to yourself to see them side by side & make your own decision. But you really can't go wrong with either one. And heaven forbid you do have a CS issue, both companies will bend over backwards to make it right by you...
I've owned both and have shot a PH 5-25 side by side with a USO 3.8-22. In terms of turrets, I always liked the USO EREK for its low profile and positive, well spaced increments. The PH's MTC is also excellent, providing sharp 'clicks & clunks'. But the MTC turret clicks are more closely spaced, so going a tenth past your dope can happen easier, if you ain't careful. Personal preference on what you like better, regarding turret adjustments.
The PH's tool-less re-settable design is great, especially if you swap scopes around.
Tracking, they do or they don't. Never had a problem with either company.
Reticles, personal preference. Both companies offer very useable designs. Gen IIXR in the PH 25X is the tits, IMHO.
As far as glass in those particular two scopes, the PH had a noticeable edge, to my eyes.
For a big purchase, you owe it to yourself to see them side by side & make your own decision. But you really can't go wrong with either one. And heaven forbid you do have a CS issue, both companies will bend over backwards to make it right by you...
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SCARbliss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In that price range? S&B or Hensoldt.</div></div>
Good advise here. These 2 scopes are head and shoulders above both USO and Premier.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SCARbliss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In that price range? S&B or Hensoldt.</div></div>
Good advise here. These 2 scopes are head and shoulders above both USO and Premier.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
If those are in your budget definitely go with a S&B. The glass is amazing and the majority of military and police agencies use em. I know for a fact that's what was used in usmc scout sniper school on all the .308s. The 50s had em as well. There is no better test.
If those are in your budget definitely go with a S&B. The glass is amazing and the majority of military and police agencies use em. I know for a fact that's what was used in usmc scout sniper school on all the .308s. The 50s had em as well. There is no better test.
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A majority of MIL/LEOs use Leupolds as most can't afford S&Bs.
USO and S&B are both amazing. I chose USO because I sat behind both and used them. The USO won hands down. For the same money I was able to get EXACTLY the scope I wanted as I found I didn't care at all for the turrets or reticles available on the S&B.
Your eyes can only see so much resolution and all of our eyes are different so you will get different answers. Ultimatetly you decide.
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily. USO also made contract scopes for the USMC not to long ago.
At this price range none of them suck, it's all personal preference so take the posters that give absolute answers with a grain of salt.
A majority of MIL/LEOs use Leupolds as most can't afford S&Bs.
USO and S&B are both amazing. I chose USO because I sat behind both and used them. The USO won hands down. For the same money I was able to get EXACTLY the scope I wanted as I found I didn't care at all for the turrets or reticles available on the S&B.
Your eyes can only see so much resolution and all of our eyes are different so you will get different answers. Ultimatetly you decide.
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily. USO also made contract scopes for the USMC not to long ago.
At this price range none of them suck, it's all personal preference so take the posters that give absolute answers with a grain of salt.
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When I was in scout sniper training we all had S&B all 32 of us.
When I was in scout sniper training we all had S&B all 32 of us.
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Have been using USO almost exclusively up until a week ago when I bought my first Premier... I still am leaning towards the USO in a race, but my son is totally sold on the Premier.. says the glass is better, likes the feel of the turrets.. I wonder just how much aesthetics play into it... perhaps more than we/I think?
Have been using USO almost exclusively up until a week ago when I bought my first Premier... I still am leaning towards the USO in a race, but my son is totally sold on the Premier.. says the glass is better, likes the feel of the turrets.. I wonder just how much aesthetics play into it... perhaps more than we/I think?
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premier has excellent glass. they are really great scopes.
premier has excellent glass. they are really great scopes.
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I spent over an hour with my S&B and PH on my back porch yesterday afternoon trying to determine with one I wanted to keep or sale, comparing them back and forth each looking at the same object 400-500 yards away. In all honesty, the PH has just as good of glass and less tunnel vision than the S&B. Clicks feel just as good and the MTC on the PH are much better then the MTC on my S&B. The PH MTC does not jump clicks. Perhaps its the bigger knob. I cannot agree that S&B is head and shoulders above the PH. Could be that I got a jem, but I dont think so. I would rather have a S&B or PH over the USO. Thats just me. I do also love the EREK knobs.
I spent over an hour with my S&B and PH on my back porch yesterday afternoon trying to determine with one I wanted to keep or sale, comparing them back and forth each looking at the same object 400-500 yards away. In all honesty, the PH has just as good of glass and less tunnel vision than the S&B. Clicks feel just as good and the MTC on the PH are much better then the MTC on my S&B. The PH MTC does not jump clicks. Perhaps its the bigger knob. I cannot agree that S&B is head and shoulders above the PH. Could be that I got a jem, but I dont think so. I would rather have a S&B or PH over the USO. Thats just me. I do also love the EREK knobs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I spent over an hour with my S&B and PH on my back porch yesterday afternoon trying to determine with one I wanted to keep or sale, comparing them back and forth each looking at the same object 400-500 yards away. In all honesty, the PH has just as good of glass and less tunnel vision than the S&B. Clicks feel just as good and the MTC on the PH are much better then the MTC on my S&B. The PH MTC does not jump clicks. Perhaps its the bigger knob. I cannot agree that S&B is head and shoulders above the PH. Could be that I got a jem, but I dont think so. I would rather have a S&B or PH over the USO. Thats just me. I do also love the EREK knobs. </div></div>
I really appreciate your review. To be able to do a side by side comparison is the only way to go. I think your impressions that the S&B and the PH glass are extremely similar sounds pretty accurate...I believe PH sourced the glass from S&B / Schott.
The larger turrets agree with me as well. I can easily dial with gloves on...and the clicks are very positive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I spent over an hour with my S&B and PH on my back porch yesterday afternoon trying to determine with one I wanted to keep or sale, comparing them back and forth each looking at the same object 400-500 yards away. In all honesty, the PH has just as good of glass and less tunnel vision than the S&B. Clicks feel just as good and the MTC on the PH are much better then the MTC on my S&B. The PH MTC does not jump clicks. Perhaps its the bigger knob. I cannot agree that S&B is head and shoulders above the PH. Could be that I got a jem, but I dont think so. I would rather have a S&B or PH over the USO. Thats just me. I do also love the EREK knobs. </div></div>
I really appreciate your review. To be able to do a side by side comparison is the only way to go. I think your impressions that the S&B and the PH glass are extremely similar sounds pretty accurate...I believe PH sourced the glass from S&B / Schott.
The larger turrets agree with me as well. I can easily dial with gloves on...and the clicks are very positive.
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SLED Sniper, not trying to start an intardweb battle with you but what you got to shoot (most guys in uniform are very envious) is hardly representative to what the MIL and LEOs get.
From what I know of the Scout Sniper program it is very squared away, far and above many other schools.
SLED Sniper, not trying to start an intardweb battle with you but what you got to shoot (most guys in uniform are very envious) is hardly representative to what the MIL and LEOs get.
From what I know of the Scout Sniper program it is very squared away, far and above many other schools.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial...
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Rob is spot on. I was blown away that I was able to pick up the phone a call S&B and get a voice on the other end of the line. They spent a lot of time with me answering my questions and responded to emails very quickly. I personally chose S&B over the others mentioned after looking through each one. I would highly encourage you do the same. I think they are all comparable in quality. It just comes down to personal choice.
Rob is spot on. I was blown away that I was able to pick up the phone a call S&B and get a voice on the other end of the line. They spent a lot of time with me answering my questions and responded to emails very quickly. I personally chose S&B over the others mentioned after looking through each one. I would highly encourage you do the same. I think they are all comparable in quality. It just comes down to personal choice.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial...</div></div>
Comparatively speaking, what percentage of S&B, Premier and USO scopes get returned for service work? We have all been informed that the S&B is vastly superior in construction, but I would love to know how/where you got your data/stats.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial...</div></div>
Comparatively speaking, what percentage of S&B, Premier and USO scopes get returned for service work? We have all been informed that the S&B is vastly superior in construction, but I would love to know how/where you got your data/stats.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. </div></div>
S&B. Guess that make me a hater then even though I own and use both.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. </div></div>
S&B. Guess that make me a hater then even though I own and use both.
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No, I am saying that there are a ton of guys here that spout off get ONLY fill in the blank with no info other than that and if you don't then your scope sucks.
No, I am saying that there are a ton of guys here that spout off get ONLY fill in the blank with no info other than that and if you don't then your scope sucks.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just traded off a Premier 5-25 for a USO 5-25. Couldn't be happier with the trade. Glass is comparable, but the options for the USO can't be beat. I'll be sending it in for an internal bubble level retrofit next month. </div></div>
Are you blind? Maybe you climbed Pikes Peak one times? How can you compare USO glass to PH? I have looked through both and there is absolutely no comparison what so ever.
Look; you get what you pay for in a scope. Consider ALL that comes with the scope. Glass quality, function, warranty, durability, Low light capability, price etc.
Do not let anyone fool you. Not trying to say USO is a bad scope because it is excellent. But... It is NOT in the same class as some others period.
Top 3 right now:
Premier Heritage
Zeiss Hensoldt
Schmidt & Bender
Other good scope's:
Leupold
Nightforce
Vortex
US Optics
Nikon
IOR
Another scope you might consider is Steiner they have released a great scope. I don't enough about it other than what I have read. I have heard the glass quality is excellent right along side the other top 3.
You need to research. What is the most important thing to you when purchasing a scope? Make a decision tree if you must. But again you get what you pay for. Generally speaking, the extra money goes into glass quality.
And yes USO builds a great scope but to put it on the same playing field with a Premier is ridiculous.
Hapy hunting,
-Sv
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just traded off a Premier 5-25 for a USO 5-25. Couldn't be happier with the trade. Glass is comparable, but the options for the USO can't be beat. I'll be sending it in for an internal bubble level retrofit next month. </div></div>
Are you blind? Maybe you climbed Pikes Peak one times? How can you compare USO glass to PH? I have looked through both and there is absolutely no comparison what so ever.
Look; you get what you pay for in a scope. Consider ALL that comes with the scope. Glass quality, function, warranty, durability, Low light capability, price etc.
Do not let anyone fool you. Not trying to say USO is a bad scope because it is excellent. But... It is NOT in the same class as some others period.
Top 3 right now:
Premier Heritage
Zeiss Hensoldt
Schmidt & Bender
Other good scope's:
Leupold
Nightforce
Vortex
US Optics
Nikon
IOR
Another scope you might consider is Steiner they have released a great scope. I don't enough about it other than what I have read. I have heard the glass quality is excellent right along side the other top 3.
You need to research. What is the most important thing to you when purchasing a scope? Make a decision tree if you must. But again you get what you pay for. Generally speaking, the extra money goes into glass quality.
And yes USO builds a great scope but to put it on the same playing field with a Premier is ridiculous.
Hapy hunting,
-Sv
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No, I'm not blind. phreakmode was kind enough to send me his scope and I did a comparison side by side on small targets out past 800 yards. The glass was comparable. While my eyes are approaching 50, I am far from blind.
So, thank you for your words of wisdom, but I did my research, and chose the US Optics.
And I have climbed Pikes Peak four times. Nice view from up there.
No, I'm not blind. phreakmode was kind enough to send me his scope and I did a comparison side by side on small targets out past 800 yards. The glass was comparable. While my eyes are approaching 50, I am far from blind.
So, thank you for your words of wisdom, but I did my research, and chose the US Optics.
And I have climbed Pikes Peak four times. Nice view from up there.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, I'm not blind. phreakmode was kind enough to send me his scope and I did a comparison side by side on small targets out past 800 yards. The glass was comparable. While my eyes are approaching 50, I am far from blind.
So, thank you for your words of wisdom, but I did my research, and chose the US Optics.
And I have climbed Pikes Peak four times. <span style="color: #FF0000">Nice view from up there</span>. </div></div>
Indded it is.
I meant no disrespect, but you can do a side by side comparison all you want. Perhaps you need more time behind the two scope's to understand the difference. Mirage reading for example. I know with 100% certainty a USO doesn't have read mirage as good as a Premier. Bullet trace is another. If you really enjoy bullet trace at extended distances, your just not going to pick it up as easy with glass that isn't Zeiss, Premier, S&B, Steiner etc..
Again, no disrespect at all, but many in here will agree you just can't compare the two. Can't go wrong with a USO either way though. Glass is still really good, customer service exellent, warranty is good to go and the scope is a tank without wheels.
If I had to use 1 scope to beat a nail and trust it afterwards it would be a Premier. The most recent contract with the USMC is the Premier Heritage if that says anything.
-Sv
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, I'm not blind. phreakmode was kind enough to send me his scope and I did a comparison side by side on small targets out past 800 yards. The glass was comparable. While my eyes are approaching 50, I am far from blind.
So, thank you for your words of wisdom, but I did my research, and chose the US Optics.
And I have climbed Pikes Peak four times. <span style="color: #FF0000">Nice view from up there</span>. </div></div>
Indded it is.
I meant no disrespect, but you can do a side by side comparison all you want. Perhaps you need more time behind the two scope's to understand the difference. Mirage reading for example. I know with 100% certainty a USO doesn't have read mirage as good as a Premier. Bullet trace is another. If you really enjoy bullet trace at extended distances, your just not going to pick it up as easy with glass that isn't Zeiss, Premier, S&B, Steiner etc..
Again, no disrespect at all, but many in here will agree you just can't compare the two. Can't go wrong with a USO either way though. Glass is still really good, customer service exellent, warranty is good to go and the scope is a tank without wheels.
If I had to use 1 scope to beat a nail and trust it afterwards it would be a Premier. The most recent contract with the USMC is the Premier Heritage if that says anything.
-Sv
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial... </div></div>
Where did you get your information? I am guessing the amount of service work would be close among the 3 manufactures.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial... </div></div>
Where did you get your information? I am guessing the amount of service work would be close among the 3 manufactures.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
Not in my experience. I've owned about 10 S&B's, not one ever had a problem. 2 out of 3 USO's I had went back to the factory for repair.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial... </div></div>
Where did you get your information? I am guessing the amount of service work would be close among the 3 manufactures.</div></div>
Not in my experience. I've owned about 10 S&B's, not one ever had a problem. 2 out of 3 USO's I had went back to the factory for repair.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cortney Beard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Before you buy, why don't you call each company and see who gives you the best customer service, I did and this was also a clue.
Haters will say the S&B or Premiers or USOs all break and they are right, everything manmade will break in time, some sooner than others. I have comfort knowing that the USO is in the USA and I can get in touch with them easily.</div></div>
So is S&B. Ashburn, VA is the service center and you can call and talk to Mark,
Phil or Jerry who is also here on the Hide to help out if need be. They have an excellent crew there in VA and will gladly help you out with anything you need. </div></div>
But chances are, other than an occasional elective modification, you will never need to contact them (S & B). The other two have awesome customer service, that should be kept on speed dial... </div></div>
Where did you get your information? I am guessing the amount of service work would be close among the 3 manufactures.</div></div>
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ‏Steelvenom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Again, no disrespect at all, but many in here will agree you just can't compare the two. Can't go wrong with a USO either way though. Glass is still really good, customer service exellent, warranty is good to go and the scope is a tank without wheels.
If I had to use 1 scope to beat a nail and trust it afterwards it would be a Premier. The most recent contract with the USMC is the Premier Heritage if that says anything.
-Sv </div></div>
Wonderful. Glad you like your Premier. But understand that from my perspective, your subjective opinion does not trump mine.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ‏Steelvenom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Again, no disrespect at all, but many in here will agree you just can't compare the two. Can't go wrong with a USO either way though. Glass is still really good, customer service exellent, warranty is good to go and the scope is a tank without wheels.
If I had to use 1 scope to beat a nail and trust it afterwards it would be a Premier. The most recent contract with the USMC is the Premier Heritage if that says anything.
-Sv </div></div>
Wonderful. Glad you like your Premier. But understand that from my perspective, your subjective opinion does not trump mine.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
Ahh, yes.
The old, everyone has an opinion, but if yours isn't the same as mine, you are an idiot.
I have heard, but do not know for certain, that USO uses Schott glass as well.
I have seen more than one person say the glass in the USO was inferior to other top end scopes one SOME units, not across the board.
I have looked through a PH, seemed very bright and clear. I did not shoot with it.
I'm poor, so I run an IOR.
Ahh, yes.
The old, everyone has an opinion, but if yours isn't the same as mine, you are an idiot.
I have heard, but do not know for certain, that USO uses Schott glass as well.
I have seen more than one person say the glass in the USO was inferior to other top end scopes one SOME units, not across the board.
I have looked through a PH, seemed very bright and clear. I did not shoot with it.
I'm poor, so I run an IOR.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I have looked through both and preferred the Premier Hertage glass. To me it just just seemed vibrant and more clear. If you possibly can get behind both. It's always good to play before you pay especially on such expensive purchases. Good luck and I'm sure whichever one you choose you'll be happy.
I have looked through both and preferred the Premier Hertage glass. To me it just just seemed vibrant and more clear. If you possibly can get behind both. It's always good to play before you pay especially on such expensive purchases. Good luck and I'm sure whichever one you choose you'll be happy.
Re: USO or premier heritage? Which would you buy 25x
I'd go Premier, no hesitation on that one.
I'd go Premier, no hesitation on that one.
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