Please help. I have a Rem 700P in 300WM. Nothing but accuracy problems. Are these rifles nothing but junk? Today I shot some Federal Gold Match 190gr. Not accurate at all, cant even do 1" at 100 yards and the cases stick in the chamber and are very hard to extract. Nightforce scope, rings, and base on it. Could it be this ugly long whippy barrel doing it? PLEASE help. Thanks much!
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Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
No one will be able to answer this unless they can see the rifle. It could be any of these things.
Trigger adjustment
Bedding
Barrel whip and load (bad vibrations)
Rings (not likely with Nightforce)
Chamber headspacing
Nut pulling the trigger (your average shooter can't shoot a harsh recoiling 300wm as well as smaller calibers.)
No one will be able to answer this unless they can see the rifle. It could be any of these things.
Trigger adjustment
Bedding
Barrel whip and load (bad vibrations)
Rings (not likely with Nightforce)
Chamber headspacing
Nut pulling the trigger (your average shooter can't shoot a harsh recoiling 300wm as well as smaller calibers.)
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I have the same gun and I'm pinging at 700 yards all day long. How many bullets have you tried?? Do you reload?p? Typically, the throats on 700p's are verrryyy long. So you may be getting too much of a jump... Also, check the simple things... proper bedding, scope rings torqued right things of that nature. I think SAMMI specs say 3.340.. I reload and my OAL is 3.602" on 210 berger vlds. When I first got the rifle I loaded according according to sammi specs and it shot like shit. If you want to get the most out of your gun, put a break on it and reload.
I have the same gun and I'm pinging at 700 yards all day long. How many bullets have you tried?? Do you reload?p? Typically, the throats on 700p's are verrryyy long. So you may be getting too much of a jump... Also, check the simple things... proper bedding, scope rings torqued right things of that nature. I think SAMMI specs say 3.340.. I reload and my OAL is 3.602" on 210 berger vlds. When I first got the rifle I loaded according according to sammi specs and it shot like shit. If you want to get the most out of your gun, put a break on it and reload.
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oh yeah, forgot to ask were your bullets laid out in the sun for a while???? Sounds like over pressure or a head space problem
oh yeah, forgot to ask were your bullets laid out in the sun for a while???? Sounds like over pressure or a head space problem
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I have the same rifle. There was plenty of QC issues, but accuracy was and still is good. Sticky bolt with factory ammo; try re-torqueing the action screws. It sounds like it’s in a bind.
From factory, I think I was somewhere around 3.55X COAL to hit the lands w/ a 190 SMK (yea, too long, not enough neck/bullet). If yours is similar, you’re jumping a pretty good bit with factory ammo. I don’t think that’s the problem, but it can’t help.
I have the same rifle. There was plenty of QC issues, but accuracy was and still is good. Sticky bolt with factory ammo; try re-torqueing the action screws. It sounds like it’s in a bind.
From factory, I think I was somewhere around 3.55X COAL to hit the lands w/ a 190 SMK (yea, too long, not enough neck/bullet). If yours is similar, you’re jumping a pretty good bit with factory ammo. I don’t think that’s the problem, but it can’t help.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
My experience is that some factory Remmingtons shoot very well, while others have been irreparably destroyed at the factory.
With a Remington factory rifle the quality control is you. If it doesn't shoot to spec you are supposed to send it back. But because the factory .330WMs are not headspaced at the shoulder the accuracy parameters are greater for them than for the other rifles. The factory acceptance standard for the .300WM (Sendero) is 2 MOA; the regular PSS is 1.5 MOA. So, in this case if you send it back they will tell you it is within spec.
That said, it is hard to shoot a light rifle in .300WM very well unless one is an experienced shooter. But FGMM should not be sticking in that chamber.
My experience is that some factory Remmingtons shoot very well, while others have been irreparably destroyed at the factory.
With a Remington factory rifle the quality control is you. If it doesn't shoot to spec you are supposed to send it back. But because the factory .330WMs are not headspaced at the shoulder the accuracy parameters are greater for them than for the other rifles. The factory acceptance standard for the .300WM (Sendero) is 2 MOA; the regular PSS is 1.5 MOA. So, in this case if you send it back they will tell you it is within spec.
That said, it is hard to shoot a light rifle in .300WM very well unless one is an experienced shooter. But FGMM should not be sticking in that chamber.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
^^^ Remington is heads or tails seems like these days
^^^ Remington is heads or tails seems like these days
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please help. I have a Rem 700P in 300WM. Nothing but accuracy problems. Are these rifles nothing but junk? Today I shot some Federal Gold Match 190gr. Not accurate at all, cant even do 1" at 100 yards and the cases stick in the chamber and are very hard to extract. Nightforce scope, rings, and base on it. Could it be this ugly long whippy barrel doing it? PLEASE help. Thanks much! </div></div> The 300WM kicks hard...are you sure it's not a flinch? Have you ever shot less than 1" groups with other 300WMs? Has any other competent shooter shot the rifle yet to confirm it is indeed the rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please help. I have a Rem 700P in 300WM. Nothing but accuracy problems. Are these rifles nothing but junk? Today I shot some Federal Gold Match 190gr. Not accurate at all, cant even do 1" at 100 yards and the cases stick in the chamber and are very hard to extract. Nightforce scope, rings, and base on it. Could it be this ugly long whippy barrel doing it? PLEASE help. Thanks much! </div></div> The 300WM kicks hard...are you sure it's not a flinch? Have you ever shot less than 1" groups with other 300WMs? Has any other competent shooter shot the rifle yet to confirm it is indeed the rifle?
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the kick is nothing. i understand what youre saying but i dont flinch and actually enjoy recoil. i shoot 416 rigby, 458 WM, 45-70 in a guide gun, IJ/AMAC 5100. i not flinching.
the kick is nothing. i understand what youre saying but i dont flinch and actually enjoy recoil. i shoot 416 rigby, 458 WM, 45-70 in a guide gun, IJ/AMAC 5100. i not flinching.
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Maybe you knicked your crown. My buddy is a gunsmith and hates the fact we put are rifles barrel down in the truck.
Maybe you knicked your crown. My buddy is a gunsmith and hates the fact we put are rifles barrel down in the truck.
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What experience do you have with precision rifles? Is there another rifle that you regularly shoot sub-MOA with? What rest are you shooting it off of? Any unusual marks on the brass?
What experience do you have with precision rifles? Is there another rifle that you regularly shoot sub-MOA with? What rest are you shooting it off of? Any unusual marks on the brass?
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that..
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peepaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that.. </div></div>hey now, I don't get to shoot as often as I would like anymore. I think I know what this guys means. LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peepaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that.. </div></div>hey now, I don't get to shoot as often as I would like anymore. I think I know what this guys means. LOL
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RobertB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peepaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that.. </div></div>hey now, I don't get to shoot as often as I would like anymore. I think I know what this guys means. LOL </div></div>
LOL! I hear ya, and I know what he meant. It's late, and I was like, Hmmmmmmmm.
But yeah, I had taken a few months off between shooting and made it out last week, and it was nice getting kicked again I must admit.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RobertB</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Peepaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NP1RR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="color: #FF6666">actually enjoy recoil</span></span></span>. </div></div>
Uh, yeah, OK, that's rather nteresting. Not sure what to think about that.. </div></div>hey now, I don't get to shoot as often as I would like anymore. I think I know what this guys means. LOL </div></div>
LOL! I hear ya, and I know what he meant. It's late, and I was like, Hmmmmmmmm.
But yeah, I had taken a few months off between shooting and made it out last week, and it was nice getting kicked again I must admit.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
My rifle started out as almost that exact same configuration only with Badger base and rings and I had the exact same problem. I had the barrel cut from 26" to 24" with a target crown and it made a HUGE difference. Still wasn't the accuracy I was after until I had it bedded. I agree with checking the simple things like torque. And definitely get that crown checked.
My rifle started out as almost that exact same configuration only with Badger base and rings and I had the exact same problem. I had the barrel cut from 26" to 24" with a target crown and it made a HUGE difference. Still wasn't the accuracy I was after until I had it bedded. I agree with checking the simple things like torque. And definitely get that crown checked.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
Bedding the HS Precision stock and having the crown recut could make a huge difference. I did both on mine and it improved things no end (although most of the time I shoot it in a LA AICS).
Bedding the HS Precision stock and having the crown recut could make a huge difference. I did both on mine and it improved things no end (although most of the time I shoot it in a LA AICS).
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I sighted in a new department PSS the other day: Three shots to zero and a three-shot group that was one ragged hole. It's a spec thing: Some are way in spec; some are almost out of spec. Both go out the door because the specs are wide.
I sighted in a new department PSS the other day: Three shots to zero and a three-shot group that was one ragged hole. It's a spec thing: Some are way in spec; some are almost out of spec. Both go out the door because the specs are wide.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
Amen to that ^^^
Amen to that ^^^
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I always let someone else shoot my "problems" to see if they experience it too. It's an easy check for "me or the rifle", usually.
I always let someone else shoot my "problems" to see if they experience it too. It's an easy check for "me or the rifle", usually.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
If it was me, and I had FGMM sticking in the chamber and it shot like shit and I lived in PA I would take the rifle and head down to:
Baer Custom Rifles
19714 Swailes Rd
Willow Hill, PA 17271
717-349-4077
[email protected]
Just my .02 worth
If it was me, and I had FGMM sticking in the chamber and it shot like shit and I lived in PA I would take the rifle and head down to:
Baer Custom Rifles
19714 Swailes Rd
Willow Hill, PA 17271
717-349-4077
[email protected]
Just my .02 worth
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I have a question?
How long have you been shooting Rifles and are you qualified to shoot a one hole group.
I have a question?
How long have you been shooting Rifles and are you qualified to shoot a one hole group.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I agree that remington's QC is off and that it can be hit or miss out of the box. I also still think they are the best "starter" platform to use for the time being and build the hell out of over time as the budget works for it. Mine started as that same build and is now a full APA build in an AICS that I will NEVER be able to outshoot. There are a lot of variables and it can be tough to narrow down which is the culprit. But like I stated before, I'd start with the crown and then get it bedded. And I don't mean to sound like a dick, but are you sure it's the gun's problem
I agree that remington's QC is off and that it can be hit or miss out of the box. I also still think they are the best "starter" platform to use for the time being and build the hell out of over time as the budget works for it. Mine started as that same build and is now a full APA build in an AICS that I will NEVER be able to outshoot. There are a lot of variables and it can be tough to narrow down which is the culprit. But like I stated before, I'd start with the crown and then get it bedded. And I don't mean to sound like a dick, but are you sure it's the gun's problem
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Have you checked the scope. None of my NF's have ever gave me any troubles but it can happen. I would atleast check it out. Good luck
Have you checked the scope. None of my NF's have ever gave me any troubles but it can happen. I would atleast check it out. Good luck
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Thank you all for your kind responses. I truly appreciate them. I cleaned and polished the chamber, that seemed to cure the extraction problems, maybe some dried up oil? Dont know. Its not the scope, had it mounted on my AMAC and another rifle for many rounds. To Trapshooter 12: I dont know what "qualified" to shoot a one hole group means. If youre asking if i have ever done that....jagged hole, yes. One hole.…no. But I would expect all shots to enter the diameter of a quarter at 100yds, not the diameter of the small end of 12oz dixie cup. No one has mentioned elliptical bore yet, anyone ever had that before? Going to wack off an inch and recrown.
Thank you all for your kind responses. I truly appreciate them. I cleaned and polished the chamber, that seemed to cure the extraction problems, maybe some dried up oil? Dont know. Its not the scope, had it mounted on my AMAC and another rifle for many rounds. To Trapshooter 12: I dont know what "qualified" to shoot a one hole group means. If youre asking if i have ever done that....jagged hole, yes. One hole.…no. But I would expect all shots to enter the diameter of a quarter at 100yds, not the diameter of the small end of 12oz dixie cup. No one has mentioned elliptical bore yet, anyone ever had that before? Going to wack off an inch and recrown.
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I had a few people tell me that they wouldnt use an HS stock if it was given to them for free. So, I may try a different chassis also. I have no one to shoot it to see if its me or the rifle. My option then is to vise it down and see. The "gun culture" people around here are of the persuasion: "if all shots hit yer paper plate at a hundert yerds, yer good to go fer deer season". Rightfully so, but i just want better. Thanks again all for your time.
I had a few people tell me that they wouldnt use an HS stock if it was given to them for free. So, I may try a different chassis also. I have no one to shoot it to see if its me or the rifle. My option then is to vise it down and see. The "gun culture" people around here are of the persuasion: "if all shots hit yer paper plate at a hundert yerds, yer good to go fer deer season". Rightfully so, but i just want better. Thanks again all for your time.
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NP1RR the problem with some people is that they get into this expecting to be the top notch shooter after buying X brand of rifle. It takes lots of work to get there. The other problem is that some people can't hit thier Ass with both hands no matter how hard they try.
I started with the same rifle you have but I also reload and I understood that I had to do lots of work to wring out the best that that rifle could shoot. After lots of load develpoement I could get sub minute groups with it off of a bench most times. The times I didn't was because I am a lousy shooter.
I was always amazed at people when I shot Trap. Most the people had more money than they did sense. As stated before some of them couldn't hit thier Ass with both hands but yet they were buying new guns each month (and I mean expensive guns 5K to 20K) trying to fix a problem when the problem was them.
Sometimes it's the Indian and not the Arrow.
That HS stock you have is a good one, try not to buy into the hype that some people sell.
NP1RR the problem with some people is that they get into this expecting to be the top notch shooter after buying X brand of rifle. It takes lots of work to get there. The other problem is that some people can't hit thier Ass with both hands no matter how hard they try.
I started with the same rifle you have but I also reload and I understood that I had to do lots of work to wring out the best that that rifle could shoot. After lots of load develpoement I could get sub minute groups with it off of a bench most times. The times I didn't was because I am a lousy shooter.
I was always amazed at people when I shot Trap. Most the people had more money than they did sense. As stated before some of them couldn't hit thier Ass with both hands but yet they were buying new guns each month (and I mean expensive guns 5K to 20K) trying to fix a problem when the problem was them.
Sometimes it's the Indian and not the Arrow.
That HS stock you have is a good one, try not to buy into the hype that some people sell.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
your 700p may have trouble getting those 190s stable. the heaviest bullet i could shoot nicely was a 175.
your 700p may have trouble getting those 190s stable. the heaviest bullet i could shoot nicely was a 175.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
I had 2 Remington Police rifles and both started shooting around 1,5 MOA at average (at least 3 groups of 5 shots at 100 meters).
One I cleaned the stock compound that overflew on the rear screw hole (tang)bedding block and on the part behind the recoil lug.
It made a HUGE diference as the rifle started to shoot around 1,0 MOA average.
Then, after 200 rounds, it seems that the bore was somewhat polished by firing and it started getting better accuracy.
From that point on, it was a consistent 0,70 MOA average (again, it is at least 3 groups of 5 shots at 100 meters, not yards) rifle.
The second rifle, sufered from the same problem and went by the same treatment.
It went from a 2,0 MOA rifle average (yes, was that bad!) to a reasonable 0,85 MOA average.
From my experience with factory and custom rifles, get an AVERAGE of 0,50 MOA for at least 5 groups of five shots at 100 meters is hard for a factory rifle.
I learned to not expect that kind of accuracy (average!!!) from a factory rifle.
Just my 02 cents.
I had 2 Remington Police rifles and both started shooting around 1,5 MOA at average (at least 3 groups of 5 shots at 100 meters).
One I cleaned the stock compound that overflew on the rear screw hole (tang)bedding block and on the part behind the recoil lug.
It made a HUGE diference as the rifle started to shoot around 1,0 MOA average.
Then, after 200 rounds, it seems that the bore was somewhat polished by firing and it started getting better accuracy.
From that point on, it was a consistent 0,70 MOA average (again, it is at least 3 groups of 5 shots at 100 meters, not yards) rifle.
The second rifle, sufered from the same problem and went by the same treatment.
It went from a 2,0 MOA rifle average (yes, was that bad!) to a reasonable 0,85 MOA average.
From my experience with factory and custom rifles, get an AVERAGE of 0,50 MOA for at least 5 groups of five shots at 100 meters is hard for a factory rifle.
I learned to not expect that kind of accuracy (average!!!) from a factory rifle.
Just my 02 cents.
Re: Need help Remington 700 Police rifle
NP1RR, What all these guy's are telling you is correct but the fact is that with Rem these problems are not unusual. I have owned several Rem 700 rifles and some were accurate out the box and others were not, those that were not I got rid of right away. Right now I have 700 Compact Tactical in 223 that is an absolute tac driver I'm talking 1/4-1/2 with no problem. I got lucky with this one. Try all these things the fellows recommend and if nothing works get rid of it save your money and buy a Sako TRG or a AI mk2 and that will solve all your....
NP1RR, What all these guy's are telling you is correct but the fact is that with Rem these problems are not unusual. I have owned several Rem 700 rifles and some were accurate out the box and others were not, those that were not I got rid of right away. Right now I have 700 Compact Tactical in 223 that is an absolute tac driver I'm talking 1/4-1/2 with no problem. I got lucky with this one. Try all these things the fellows recommend and if nothing works get rid of it save your money and buy a Sako TRG or a AI mk2 and that will solve all your....
