I have a remington aac with a fsc30 brake in it. ive got a 3.5-10x40 leupy and heres the issue. my scope adjustments at 100 years are not consistent enough for a group. im thinking its the brake, and i hope its not because damn....it works great. im shooting only hornady a-maz 168 bthp. maybe someone could provide a ballistics chart for the load and a 20" barrel? thanks guys
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Not sure I follow - are you trying to do a tracking test and you can not reconfirm zero or are your mil or moa adjustments not equaling proper adjustment at 100 yd?
You will best be served shooting over a chronograph. Not sure this will help you as I am without a brake and shoot a different ammo but just for referance I clock 2550 fps with 168 gold medal match out of my 20" sps. When zeroed at 100 I get a calculated dope of 2.5m of elevation for 400yd But my true dope is closer to 2.65. I am shooting at sea level.
Not sure I follow - are you trying to do a tracking test and you can not reconfirm zero or are your mil or moa adjustments not equaling proper adjustment at 100 yd?
You will best be served shooting over a chronograph. Not sure this will help you as I am without a brake and shoot a different ammo but just for referance I clock 2550 fps with 168 gold medal match out of my 20" sps. When zeroed at 100 I get a calculated dope of 2.5m of elevation for 400yd But my true dope is closer to 2.65. I am shooting at sea level.
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yeah i should have been more specific, it seems that my moa adjustments are not equal to the actual bullet impact. i understand shooter error, but this was too far off for that. i might need to find a chrono to borrow, but im not sure getting those numbers will help me understand the brake and how to make my dope for it
yeah i should have been more specific, it seems that my moa adjustments are not equal to the actual bullet impact. i understand shooter error, but this was too far off for that. i might need to find a chrono to borrow, but im not sure getting those numbers will help me understand the brake and how to make my dope for it
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I doubt the brake has anything to do with what you seem to be describing.
Can you describe what is happening at the target? Are your shots all low, are they all to the left etc. It could be that your particular gun doesn't like the Hornady ammo - have you tried a couple different brands of ammo?
I doubt the brake has anything to do with what you seem to be describing.
Can you describe what is happening at the target? Are your shots all low, are they all to the left etc. It could be that your particular gun doesn't like the Hornady ammo - have you tried a couple different brands of ammo?
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I had the same problem several years ago with 3 different Leupy, they wouldn't track worth a crap. get rid of that scope and try another .
I had the same problem several years ago with 3 different Leupy, they wouldn't track worth a crap. get rid of that scope and try another .
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Old scope, new scope? Target turrets or "old" style coin turrets? Scope base, rings properly torqued? Cant of the scope or rifle? Lots of variables...
Old scope, new scope? Target turrets or "old" style coin turrets? Scope base, rings properly torqued? Cant of the scope or rifle? Lots of variables...
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So, you're saying the scopes tracking issues are the result of the brake? I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I can only recommend one solution based on my experience...get rid of the Leupold. I had two of their top of the line scopes, and they both had tracking issues.
This is what I gathered from reading the problem you described. The brake can cause a shift from your original zero without the brake, but it will shoot consistent. All changes come from the scope, so any issues that don't allow you to keep a zero should come from the scope (that is of course if you have everything torqued down properly, and the brake isn't loose).
So, you're saying the scopes tracking issues are the result of the brake? I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but I can only recommend one solution based on my experience...get rid of the Leupold. I had two of their top of the line scopes, and they both had tracking issues.
This is what I gathered from reading the problem you described. The brake can cause a shift from your original zero without the brake, but it will shoot consistent. All changes come from the scope, so any issues that don't allow you to keep a zero should come from the scope (that is of course if you have everything torqued down properly, and the brake isn't loose).
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If the scope has tracking issues I would send it in to Leupold and have them look it over. Once its back, sell it. And get a Vortex Viper PST, Bushnell HDMR, or something in that price line. You really cant beat that Bushnell for its features to price point ratio. Call an optics specialist like CS Tactical or Sport Optics, they are vendors here on the Hide. Good luck!
If the scope has tracking issues I would send it in to Leupold and have them look it over. Once its back, sell it. And get a Vortex Viper PST, Bushnell HDMR, or something in that price line. You really cant beat that Bushnell for its features to price point ratio. Call an optics specialist like CS Tactical or Sport Optics, they are vendors here on the Hide. Good luck!
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This may sound stupid but if you suspect the scope why not move it to another rifle to check and see if the problem follows the scope. If you suspect the Brake can you not remove the brake and test fire to evaluate it's impact on the shot?
Rick
This may sound stupid but if you suspect the scope why not move it to another rifle to check and see if the problem follows the scope. If you suspect the Brake can you not remove the brake and test fire to evaluate it's impact on the shot?
Rick
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Still not clear what is happening at your 100 yard target. Are you not getting good groupings or are you chasing the bullet and making adjustments and it's not putting them where you think they should be going? If you leave the scope alone and shoot 3 shots do they all group in the same area or are they putting random holes in the target?
For example if you are shooting a 1" group at 100 yards and are wanting to move it up say 2" on the target you might have a bullet impact 1 1/2" and another 2 1/2" and another 2" higher after your adjustment. You can see why it will be hard to know if the scope is raising the POI the correct amount based on that. Lots of info you can share that might help others narrow down the problem other than blaming a scope right off.
Depending on your skill level and experience there are a lot of other things I'd consider first. Something may be loose, bad loading practice or skill level. From what I read in your initial post there isn't enough info to know what is going on other than it's not shooting consistent enough to get a "group". The brake would be one of the very last things I'd even consider.
Topstrap
Still not clear what is happening at your 100 yard target. Are you not getting good groupings or are you chasing the bullet and making adjustments and it's not putting them where you think they should be going? If you leave the scope alone and shoot 3 shots do they all group in the same area or are they putting random holes in the target?
For example if you are shooting a 1" group at 100 yards and are wanting to move it up say 2" on the target you might have a bullet impact 1 1/2" and another 2 1/2" and another 2" higher after your adjustment. You can see why it will be hard to know if the scope is raising the POI the correct amount based on that. Lots of info you can share that might help others narrow down the problem other than blaming a scope right off.
Depending on your skill level and experience there are a lot of other things I'd consider first. Something may be loose, bad loading practice or skill level. From what I read in your initial post there isn't enough info to know what is going on other than it's not shooting consistent enough to get a "group". The brake would be one of the very last things I'd even consider.
Topstrap
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well i thank everyone for their input. sorry i couldnt get back sooner... im not sure if its the scope, and i dont have another rifle i would like to try it out on right now. and im really enjoying the brake. i think the scope has some tracking issues, i have a buddy who experienced the same thing. i will look into talking with leupold and seeing if they would like to have it back to the factory
well i thank everyone for their input. sorry i couldnt get back sooner... im not sure if its the scope, and i dont have another rifle i would like to try it out on right now. and im really enjoying the brake. i think the scope has some tracking issues, i have a buddy who experienced the same thing. i will look into talking with leupold and seeing if they would like to have it back to the factory
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well i definitely was shooting my 3 round groups before adjusting, however, the groups were not consistent at all, i know my breathing, trigger squeeze and sight picture were all consistent, but my groups were easily 2-3 inches at 100. i would get a bull and then the scope would just throw one 2 inches high and another one way different from that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still not clear what is happening at your 100 yard target. Are you not getting good groupings or are you chasing the bullet and making adjustments and it's not putting them where you think they should be going? If you leave the scope alone and shoot 3 shots do they all group in the same area or are they putting random holes in the target?
For example if you are shooting a 1" group at 100 yards and are wanting to move it up say 2" on the target you might have a bullet impact 1 1/2" and another 2 1/2" and another 2" higher after your adjustment. You can see why it will be hard to know if the scope is raising the POI the correct amount based on that. Lots of info you can share that might help others narrow down the problem other than blaming a scope right off.
Depending on your skill level and experience there are a lot of other things I'd consider first. Something may be loose, bad loading practice or skill level. From what I read in your initial post there isn't enough info to know what is going on other than it's not shooting consistent enough to get a "group". The brake would be one of the very last things I'd even consider.
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well i definitely was shooting my 3 round groups before adjusting, however, the groups were not consistent at all, i know my breathing, trigger squeeze and sight picture were all consistent, but my groups were easily 2-3 inches at 100. i would get a bull and then the scope would just throw one 2 inches high and another one way different from that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Topstrap</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still not clear what is happening at your 100 yard target. Are you not getting good groupings or are you chasing the bullet and making adjustments and it's not putting them where you think they should be going? If you leave the scope alone and shoot 3 shots do they all group in the same area or are they putting random holes in the target?
For example if you are shooting a 1" group at 100 yards and are wanting to move it up say 2" on the target you might have a bullet impact 1 1/2" and another 2 1/2" and another 2" higher after your adjustment. You can see why it will be hard to know if the scope is raising the POI the correct amount based on that. Lots of info you can share that might help others narrow down the problem other than blaming a scope right off.
Depending on your skill level and experience there are a lot of other things I'd consider first. Something may be loose, bad loading practice or skill level. From what I read in your initial post there isn't enough info to know what is going on other than it's not shooting consistent enough to get a "group". The brake would be one of the very last things I'd even consider.
Topstrap </div></div>
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Leupold is really good about reworking scopes with issues.
Tell them your target shooting and need repeatable reticle adjustment...
Dave
Leupold is really good about reworking scopes with issues.
Tell them your target shooting and need repeatable reticle adjustment...
Dave
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Why do you suspect the brake? Was everything working for you fine and then you installed the brake and lost your grouping? Something made you think that it was the brake, but you don't provide enough information to reach that conclusion. I doubt a brake will cause that. I hope you ran the typical checks and made sure nothing came loose (including the brake of course, especially if it's a recent install). And are you using factory Hornady ammo or are they reloads?
Why do you suspect the brake? Was everything working for you fine and then you installed the brake and lost your grouping? Something made you think that it was the brake, but you don't provide enough information to reach that conclusion. I doubt a brake will cause that. I hope you ran the typical checks and made sure nothing came loose (including the brake of course, especially if it's a recent install). And are you using factory Hornady ammo or are they reloads?
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Either your speed is not what you think or your scope height is wrong in your program.. at 400 yards your program if its any good at all will be dead on.. I dont like to use a crony to get my speed rather use the program to find it with what you are actually shooting. I just dont trust chronographs they seldom tell me the truth.. the other part of your problem could be your scope depending on what Leopold it is weather it is repeatable or not.
Either your speed is not what you think or your scope height is wrong in your program.. at 400 yards your program if its any good at all will be dead on.. I dont like to use a crony to get my speed rather use the program to find it with what you are actually shooting. I just dont trust chronographs they seldom tell me the truth.. the other part of your problem could be your scope depending on what Leopold it is weather it is repeatable or not.
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i started using the brake from shot one, thats how i know its the scope.
i started using the brake from shot one, thats how i know its the scope.
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plus i am using hornady factory ammo, no reloads
plus i am using hornady factory ammo, no reloads
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I don't think you have a clue what the problem is... I could be wrong, you might just not be able to articulate the problem... but it just sounds like you're not experienced enough to diagnose what's going on.
I don't think you have a clue what the problem is... I could be wrong, you might just not be able to articulate the problem... but it just sounds like you're not experienced enough to diagnose what's going on.
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From your stated consistency, I don't think a 3-shot group is enough to adjust your scope. That would be different if your groups were less than 1/2moa or if you were more consistent. But from what you are describing, I would adjust after a 10-shot group.
If your brake was not properly installed and if it is a thread on, it could be getting loose and shifting your groups.
Could be your scope, as was suggested already.
Your rings may have shift if you don't have good contact with your scope, and have inconsistencies if you did not tighten them with a torque wrench.
From your stated consistency, I don't think a 3-shot group is enough to adjust your scope. That would be different if your groups were less than 1/2moa or if you were more consistent. But from what you are describing, I would adjust after a 10-shot group.
If your brake was not properly installed and if it is a thread on, it could be getting loose and shifting your groups.
Could be your scope, as was suggested already.
Your rings may have shift if you don't have good contact with your scope, and have inconsistencies if you did not tighten them with a torque wrench.
