Suppressors YHM wraith

[corey4]

i am thinking about picking 2 of these up. they do not come apart for cleaning.

http://yhm.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14_20&products_id=354

any suggestions?

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: YHM wraith

Cant suggest anything when we don't know what your looking for in a can.

If you want a serviceable can that is quiet. I would go this way.

First choice: SWR Spectre II
Second Chioce: Silencerco SS Sparrow

Just my preference. Take it or leave it.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: YHM wraith

The can in the video sounds pretty loud on that Ruger 10/22. It is 1.25" x 5.5" so it will block iron sights on a lot of pistols and rifles.

Most cans are 1" OD, and user serviceable. Our Checkmate suppressors are in stock at Lanco Tactical in Elizabethtown PA. That's a long way from you, but they are in the state anyway.

With the checkmate cans you get high performance, user serviceability, and modular mounting systems (QD or thread mounted).

 

[corey4]

Re: YHM wraith

i have a YHM phantom and cobra pending on a trust. i was thinking about a 22 as well. my dealer has the wraith in stock so that is why i was interested, until i saw they don't come apart for cleaning, which to me, doesn't seem like a good idea.

griff, 3 hours ins't that bad.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: YHM wraith

We'd be happy to work with you otherwise to transfer a suppressor to a dealer more local to you if you desire to do that instead.

There are several competitive options on the market that come to mind- the wraith isn't one of them. Our suppressor is competitive and I use and enjoy the product and believe in it.

 

[SHWILL]

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I have shot a Wraith, while not a bad can, there are better options on the market. I did buy a Griffin QD Checkmate. I believe the QD feature will be very handy on a 22lr.

 

[corey4]

Re: YHM wraith

other than not being able to come apart for cleaning, what makes the wraith not as good? to me, the size really isn't a big deal.

why would companies even offer one that doesn't come apart?

 

[corey4]

Re: YHM wraith

to be more specific for what the 2 cans are going on: the dealer has a buckmark and a wraith combo deal for $650. plus he said if i by the other one, he will knock off $20, to make it $245 for the second wraith can. the second one will go on my remington speedmaster 552 that i will have threaded.

both cans are direct attachment.

griff, i called lanco tactical, they have 2 of yours in stock.

 

[HPLLC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to be more specific for what the 2 cans are going on: the dealer has a buckmark and a wraith combo deal for $650. plus he said if i by the other one, he will knock off $20, to make it $245 for the second wraith can. the second one will go on my remington speedmaster 552 that i will have threaded.

both cans are direct attachment.

griff, i called lanco tactical, they have 2 of yours in stock. </div></div>

The Wraith on the YHM video sounds very loud. If it isn't because the guy is shooting supersonic ammo or something, I would say it's not a great can just because it is loud.

Not comming apart is an older style. The industry used to have all the suppressors as sealed units and the understanding was the customers were going to shoot 10-20,000 rounds and then consider the suppressor shot on account of lead buildup.

The YHM design is big enough that if it did perform well, it would probably be a 20,000 round can, but the video makes it seem more like an underperformer (IE one that is not acceptably performing now, so how can less volume from leading help it to perform better in the future?)

The QD can costs more than the $255 average of the two Wraith prices, but you can mount it to two weapons for $420 (one QD coupler and one QD can bought at MSRP). That is a savings of $90 over the Wraiths, not accounting the extra $200 stamp.

The QD suppressor can literally be swapped between weapons like a magazine, so you can shoot one dry, and swap it to the other weapon with a magazine and shoot it dry while someone loads a magazine for the other gun. On one of the early test days in 2007 my brother and I did just that and it wasn't bothersome at all.

It takes more time to load a five round magazine than to dismount and mount the suppressor.

In reality you probably won't be using the two guns at the same time very often so it is a moot point. The higher performance, the 1" diameter, the QD versatility, the take apart maintenance etc, are the benefits to be had.

 

[john.suthers]

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I have the YHM Mite. I like it but know the limitations of the can for shooting long periods of time. My advise for what it is worth is to shell out the extra money and get a good can that is serviceable.

 

[tsavo303]

Re: YHM wraith

I almost bought a wraith, but since you cannot break it down and b/c it is part aluminium, i went with the stainless mite, which you can dunk in solution.

 

[corey4]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JTG 1977</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the YHM Mite. I like it but know the limitations of the can for shooting long periods of time. My advise for what it is worth is to shell out the extra money and get a good can that is serviceable. </div></div>

do you have to mite, or wraith? the mite comes apart, the wraith does not.

 

[john.suthers]

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I have the Mite. When I was looking at a can, the dealer steered me away from the Wraith because of its large diameter and because it does not come apart. My only complaint of the Mite is having to get out the take down tool and open up the threads while shooting to ensure the lead / carbon build up does not seal the threads. Even with anti-seize on the threads, I can still get hard to take apart. I am not upset I bought the Mite, just telling you my experience.

 

[corey4]

Re: YHM wraith

JTG, thanks for the input

from what JTG said about the carbon/lead build up on the threads, is this common of 22 cans, or just a characteristic of the YHM?

 

[dddoo7]

Re: YHM wraith

I ordered a titanium can based on what I had read about them. Tell me if I am wrong, but I read that titanium can withstand the cleaning solvents and therefore do not need to be taken apart. Personally, I would rather have a can that did not come apart because fewer moving parts is always better--as long as the solvents and vibrating cleaner.

 

[HPLLC]

Re: YHM wraith

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: corey4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JTG, thanks for the input

from what JTG said about the carbon/lead build up on the threads, is this common of 22 cans, or just a characteristic of the YHM? </div></div>

What YHM has going on is not carbon in the threads. They threaded the core in their MITE, so there are 2 or three components that make up the suppressor not several.

This means when it comes time to take apart a Mite, you have to spin not just the front cap, but also the entire baffle stack which is not a shielded design, so there is lead on the tube and the baffle has to basically cut all that lead in order to rotate.

That is a stupid design feature, that probably appeals to someone in manufacturing because it reduces cost, but that limits use-ability of the product.

We've not had issues with our rear caps (which are closer to lead and pressure) and have had no problems with front caps which are basically clean and have no reason to get stuck. Our Checkmate II baffles are a tube/spacer design, so the tube remains clean and the baffle removal is relatively easy. We still recommend a shot of WD-40 and a 24 hour soak prior to dis-assembly, but that is a precautionary measure. If a customer shot on several occasions and has a couple thousand rounds through the product, a little WD-40 is insurance against just getting frustrated and beating on something that would be moving if it were lubricated.


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As far as sealed units made of corrosion resistant materials and use of ultrasonic cleaners, that is probably the easy approach. The concerns there are potentially the use of chemicals that produce lead acetate which is poison to humans, and of course the requirement of having an ultrasonic cleaner which is more expensive than not having one. The other issue is that titanium is expensive, and stainless steel is heavy, while aluminum will be destroyed by peroxide/vinegar mix and also by ultrasonic cleaners.

 

[john.suthers]

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No arguments with Griffin Armament about his analysis of the can. I have only had one time that I had to put significant torque on the can to get it opened after shooting. Even without having a shielded baffle stack, I have had little issue breaking lose any buildup inside the can. Like I said before, I am not upset with my purchase, just know its limitations.

That said, I am going to quote myself. "shell out the extra money and get a good can that is serviceable."

 

[HPLLC]

Re: YHM wraith

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JTG 1977</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No arguments with Griffin Armament about his analysis of the can. I have only had one time that I had to put significant torque on the can to get it opened after shooting. Even without having a shielded baffle stack, I have had little issue breaking lose any buildup inside the can. Like I said before, I am not upset with my purchase, just know its limitations.

That said, I am going to quote myself. "shell out the extra money and get a good can that is serviceable." </div></div>

That may have been there design intent (to have the end user break the suppressor down and clean after every shooting session). The YHM Mite is an affordable suppressor and it will do the job, so I'm not suggesting anyone should be unhappy.

I've seen several posts of people who have forgotten to do that and are asking others how to get their suppressor apart once siezed. I was simply trying to explain why the presence of threads isn't the reason the suppressors are becoming stuck occasionally.

The posts below were on page one of my google search:

http://ingunowners.com/forums/class_iii_nfa/184416-yhm_mite_can_wont_disassemble.html

http://www.silencertests.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20997&start=0

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=20&t=292593

http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=63978