Suppressors SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

[offspring47]

Hi,
I am going to be buying the SAS Arbiter in the next week or so. I have that at least figured out. What I can't figure out is if I want to go with the TOMB or QD mount.

Guns I am going to put it on: AR15, AR10, bolt action .308, and possibly on my TC Contender with .223 barrel.

I don't really care about quickly taking the can on or off. I am more concerned about consistent POI every time I take the can off and put it back on. Having said that I am leaning towards the TOMB.

What concerns me is using a thread mounted suppressor on an AR. I am worried that the thread mount could come loose due to the action of the bolt and vibrations.

Folks that have the TOMB and/or QD mount, what are the things you like/dislike?

Thanks for the help.

 

[offspring47]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

I know some of you guys have these suppressors, would really appreciate some feedback regarding which mount you have and how you like it.

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Great choice in the Arbiter. I have both the QD and TOMB set ups. One thing to consider is if you would ever hunt with it or just range time. I prefer the TOMB for a weapon system that will be shot both suppressed or un suppressed. I like the QD for a strait tactical/le/mil application. If you really think about it, the SAS QD is really just a super coarse thread!

 

[Flatland308]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Call Mile High Shooting and have a conversation with the man. He answered several questions for me and suggested for accuracy that the TOMB was the way to go. I like the look and function and have yet to hear anything negative about that setup.

 

[offspring47]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

thanks for the replies.

I talked Jamie over at Mile High twice last week. She also mentioned that the TOMB was the more accurate of the two and that there should be no problems using it on an AR.

That said, have you ever had the TOMB start to come loose when shooting on an AR? Do you guys use any type of washer or anything to keep it on?

And yes, I think I am making a great choice with the ARbiter. I was so close to getting the AAC 762sdn and decided to do some more research and that's when I found out about the Arbiter.

 

[Brentc]

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I use the TOMB flash suppressor on my 6.5 Grendel AR and have never experienced it coming loose. The first time I used it on the AR, I checked it every ten rounds or so, but I soon found that once tightened it stayed tight. I've never had it come loose. The TOMB has a substantial sealing surface where it meets the suppressor.

 

[Eben]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great choice in the Arbiter. I have both the QD and TOMB set ups. One thing to consider is if you would ever hunt with it or just range time. I prefer the TOMB for a weapon system that will be shot both suppressed or un suppressed. I like the QD for a strait tactical/le/mil application. If you really think about it, the SAS QD is really just a super coarse thread! </div></div>I'm confident that the taper of the TOMB mount will prevent backing off, but what mechanism accomplishes the same thing in the QD?
The rear of the mount doesn't appear to have any taper, and the front just engages the two lugs from the suppressor.
Are the quarter turn lugs equivalent to a thread like you suggest, and would you be able to show a picture in that end of the suppressor?
Thanks.

 

[bamawrx]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d00d</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great choice in the Arbiter. I have both the QD and TOMB set ups. One thing to consider is if you would ever hunt with it or just range time. I prefer the TOMB for a weapon system that will be shot both suppressed or un suppressed. I like the QD for a strait tactical/le/mil application. If you really think about it, the SAS QD is really just a super coarse thread! </div></div>I'm confident that the taper of the TOMB mount will prevent backing off, but what mechanism accomplishes the same thing in the QD?
The rear of the mount doesn't appear to have any taper, and the front just engages the two lugs from the suppressor.
Are the quarter turn lugs equivalent to a thread like you suggest, and would you be able to show a picture in that end of the suppressor?
Thanks.</div></div>

Short answer nothing. I have the arbitor with QD, and just like in the video on their site it just rotates into position with almost no effort. It removes with minor rotation with almost no effort. The can does not have a retention device or lock. I don't know if that is an issue yet as I have only been able to shoot mine very little as it remains in form 4 purgatory. I can give you more info in about a month on POI shift etc. It is very quiet, very light, and very well made.

 

[Cesiumsponge]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

My Form 3 just cleared yesterday from Mile High for the Arbiter Ti. I too went with the TOMB mount for a Sako TRG-22. The concentric taper that the Arbiter mates to on the TOMB should be fine. Ops Inc uses the same method with a separate collar for indexing and my 12th has never worked itself loose.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

My concern is that SAS only warranties their cans for ONE year when others like YHM warranty theirs for life against defects and workmanship.

 

[Travis S]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

When I bought my SAS cans from Tim he told me they were unconditionally warranted for life. Even if they got run over by a tank. He's a good guy and im sure its still the same.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snyper762</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I bought my SAS cans from Tim he told me they were unconditionally warranted for life. Even if they got run over by a tank. He's a good guy and im sure its still the same.</div></div>

Evidently, that has changed because when I spoke with Jamie at Mile High on Friday, she informed me that SAS cans come with a 1yr warranty.

I would really like to have one but if it only comes with a 1yr warranty, I'll take a look at something else. I take extra special care of my gear but if three years from now something goes wrong, I don't wanna be in the lurch

 

[Travis S]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Wow that is a disappointment. Guess I will shoot them am email to see if there's a grandfather clause. Its it even a one man shop any more?

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d00d</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great choice in the Arbiter. I have both the QD and TOMB set ups. One thing to consider is if you would ever hunt with it or just range time. I prefer the TOMB for a weapon system that will be shot both suppressed or un suppressed. I like the QD for a strait tactical/le/mil application. If you really think about it, the SAS QD is really just a super coarse thread! </div></div>I'm confident that the taper of the TOMB mount will prevent backing off, but what mechanism accomplishes the same thing in the QD?
The rear of the mount doesn't appear to have any taper, and the front just engages the two lugs from the suppressor.
Are the quarter turn lugs equivalent to a thread like you suggest, and would you be able to show a picture in that end of the suppressor?
Thanks.</div></div>

Short answer nothing. I have the arbitor with QD, and just like in the video on their site it just rotates into position with almost no effort. It removes with minor rotation with almost no effort. The can does not have a retention device or lock. I don't know if that is an issue yet as I have only been able to shoot mine very little as it remains in form 4 purgatory. I can give you more info in about a month on POI shift etc. It is very quiet, very light, and very well made. </div></div>

SAS QD is engineered very well and does not need any type of lock. They also do not need any type of warranty. Yes they are built that well. Folks tag warranties to things that suck. The folks at SAS will help you if you have a problem. You don't need it on paper. Why else do you think their product has no complaints? I've yet to see or hear of one.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d00d</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great choice in the Arbiter. I have both the QD and TOMB set ups. One thing to consider is if you would ever hunt with it or just range time. I prefer the TOMB for a weapon system that will be shot both suppressed or un suppressed. I like the QD for a strait tactical/le/mil application. If you really think about it, the SAS QD is really just a super coarse thread! </div></div>I'm confident that the taper of the TOMB mount will prevent backing off, but what mechanism accomplishes the same thing in the QD?
The rear of the mount doesn't appear to have any taper, and the front just engages the two lugs from the suppressor.
Are the quarter turn lugs equivalent to a thread like you suggest, and would you be able to show a picture in that end of the suppressor?
Thanks.</div></div>

Short answer nothing. I have the arbitor with QD, and just like in the video on their site it just rotates into position with almost no effort. It removes with minor rotation with almost no effort. The can does not have a retention device or lock. I don't know if that is an issue yet as I have only been able to shoot mine very little as it remains in form 4 purgatory. I can give you more info in about a month on POI shift etc. It is very quiet, very light, and very well made. </div></div>

SAS QD is engineered very well and does not need any type of lock. <span style="font-weight: bold">They also do not need any type of warranty. Yes they are built that well. Folks tag warranties to things that suck. The folks at SAS will help you if you have a problem. You don't need it on paper. Why else do you think their product has no complaints? I've yet to see or hear of one.</span></div></div>

Spoken like a true fanboy.

Folks tag things to warranty to things that suck, really? If you can't come up with a logical response, maybe you should stay off the computer because your comment REAKS of stupidity like nothing I have ever read or heard before.

Typically, a GOOD company will offer a warranty because NOTHING is perfect and there's always one that falls through the cracks somewhere and a warranty is needed, in WRITTEN form on "PAPER" as protection for the company.

 

[mberry223]

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I had an issue with my SAS Arbiter and it was taken care of, no questions asked. They never asked how long I'd had the can and they were nothing but helpful. The problem wasn't even the fault of the can, it was poor gunsmithing.

I wouldn't worry about the warranty too much. If it concerns you, call them and talk to them about it. You aren't going to get a definite answer here.

I use the TOMB. I've never been in a hurry to take off or put on my suppressor. It just makes sense to me that the TOMB would be inherently more accurate.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winmagfrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had an issue with my SAS Arbiter and it was taken care of, no questions asked. They never asked how long I'd had the can and they were nothing but helpful. The problem wasn't even the fault of the can, it was poor gunsmithing.

I wouldn't worry about the warranty too much. If it concerns you, call them and talk to them about it. You aren't going to get a definite answer here.

I use the TOMB. I've never been in a hurry to take off or put on my suppressor. It just makes sense to me that the TOMB would be inherently more accurate. </div></div>

Very nice to hear, WinMagFrog. Thanks for the input!

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Folks tag things to warranty to things that suck, really?</div></div>

What?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can't come up with a logical response, maybe you should stay off the computer because your comment REAKS of stupidity like nothing I have ever read or heard before.</div></div>

Then don't read my response. More specifically since you need things drawn out for you and like being such an ass, don't reply either.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Typically, a GOOD company will offer a warranty because NOTHING is perfect and there's always one that falls through the cracks somewhere and a warranty is needed, in WRITTEN form on "PAPER" as protection for the company.</div></div>

The OP asked for input and I provided it based on my own experiences. My statement is plenty logical. You want a 5 year parts and labor warranty with a proven setup? Good luck getting it because it's not needed....plain and simple. If you use the system properly and take care of it properly you will never need a warranty. Customer service speaks for itself. That is my point. Bro, if you put a damn can on a rifle properly and fire a single shot through it, its either going to bust or clear. It's not rocket science. SAS builds a solid product. You want a 5 or 10 year parts and labor warranty on paper, then SAS def isn't for you. Their shit works......period. And they will stand behind it hands down. Ask any SAS owner on this forum and you will hear the same response. I got two of them in QD. 7.62 and .338 Even had a small issue with the muzzle brake that was resolved within 2 weeks. Minor adjustment. Did I need a warranty? Umm no....because they stand behind their product.

Take a chill pill man......logically, good shit doesn't need a warranty. Go rub some dirt on your gun and shoot it a little.

A company offers a warranty so certain customers, who cannot be pleased, ever, will shut the hell up. If you can't see my point here, then you are the one that REAKS of stupidity. I'm not trying to be an ass but if you don't like my comments, then don't reply.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaximumVelocity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Folks tag things to warranty to things that suck, really?</div></div>

What?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you can't come up with a logical response, maybe you should stay off the computer because your comment REAKS of stupidity like nothing I have ever read or heard before.</div></div>

Then don't read my response. More specifically since you need things drawn out for you and like being such an ass, don't reply either.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Typically, a GOOD company will offer a warranty because NOTHING is perfect and there's always one that falls through the cracks somewhere and a warranty is needed, in WRITTEN form on "PAPER" as protection for the company.</div></div>

The OP asked for input and I provided it based on my own experiences. <span style="font-weight: bold">My statement is plenty logical.</span> You want a 5 year parts and labor warranty with a proven setup? Good luck getting it because it's not needed....plain and simple. If you use the system properly and take care of it properly you will never need a warranty. Customer service speaks for itself. That is my point. Bro, if you put a damn can on a rifle properly and fire a single shot through it, its either going to bust or clear. It's not rocket science. SAS builds a solid product. <span style="font-weight: bold">You want a 5 or 10 year parts and labor warranty on paper, then SAS def isn't for you. Their shit works......period.</span> And they will stand behind it hands down. Ask any SAS owner on this forum and you will hear the same response. I got two of them in QD. 7.62 and .338 Even had a small issue with the muzzle brake that was resolved within 2 weeks. Minor adjustment. Did I need a warranty? Umm no....because they stand behind their product.

Take a chill pill man......<span style="font-weight: bold">logically, good shit doesn't need a warranty.</span> Go rub some dirt on your gun and shoot it a little.

<span style="font-weight: bold">A company offers a warranty so certain customers, who cannot be pleased, ever, will shut the hell up. If you can't see my point here, then you are the one that REAKS of stupidity.</span> I'm not trying to be an ass but if you don't like my comments, then don't reply.</div></div>

For starters, the two can manufacturers who provide LIFETIME warranties which come to mind are Thunderbeast and Gemtech. There is a vast majority of firearm related entities who also warranty their product for life.

Whether they 'need' it or not is irrelevant as a company who stands behind their product typically warranties whatever it is. As stated previously, stating something is so good that it doesn't need a warranty is simply asinine.

Nothing is perfect and when spending $1000+ on something significant like a can, I feel safer with spending my hard earned cash with a lifetime warranty than with a one year warranty.

Why?

It doesn't matter that you or anyone else claims "they are so damn good" that they don't need a warranty. If something happens later on down the line, such as a tig weld coming loose on a baffle and causes a baffle strike, knowing I'm covered for the lifetime of owning the product makes me feel better than a company who someone claims they are so damn good they don't need a warranty.

If something happens to the product after a period of one year warranty, the manufacturer is under no legal obligation to rectify the issue even if it's their fault.

The manufacturer who warranties their product for life against workmanship and defects is the one who will get MY money because a company who stands behind their product typically provides more than a written one year warranty, whether it's ever needed or not.

If that makes me an ass because I pointed out the ignorance in your logic then it's a tag I will wear unapologetically. I am VERY interested in picking up an SAS can but the idea of a one year warranty gives me pause, regardless of who states they stand behind their product because a man/company is only as good as their 'written' word.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

If SAS will "stand behind their product and take care of any customer with a problem", then what's the harm in putting that in writing?

I've got no reason to not trust Tim/SAS or Mile High, but working in aviation with a wife in the legal field, forgive me if my experience shows a man's (and company's) word is only as good as what they are contractually bound to.

Of course there's always exceptions to that - see Robert Gradous and Tom Manners.

One would think simply putting "We'll stand behind our products for their life" in writing would alleviate concerns some potential SAS buyers have (given their competition that does this) and promote more sales.

 

[Eben]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

I recently bought an RSTA, but if I didn't have a need for a full auto rated can, I would have felt very comfortable buying an Arbiter.
There's a thread mount Arbiter at my local SOT and the quality of manufacture is outstanding.
Although I can't find any statement as to length of warranty, here's something from http://www.suppressedarmament.com/faqs.html;
Q: If I have my gunsmith thread my barrel what warranty do I have?
A: If you have your barrel threaded here at Suppressed Armament you will have a our 100% no B.S. Warranty. If you choose to have your barrel threaded at your local gunsmith you will have our limited warranty. That means that should any problems occur, baffle strike for instance, we will have to inspect both the suppressor and your barrel. If the problem turns out to be the suppressor any repairs will be covered at no charge. If it turns out that your barrel was threaded with excessive run out, the repairs will be made at your expense and you will be offered the chance to have your barrel properly threaded while it is here for $95.00. If you chose not to have your barrel repaired your warranty will be voided on your suppressor.

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Ive got a couple SAS products. While they are doing fine I have heard some horror stories on them. That and their CS is almost non existent. I emailed a question to their "rep" and its been over 2 months now with no reply.

I would not buy their product again when there are several companies out there that want to take care of you as a customer and earn your business and trust.

 

[Eben]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

I wouldn't hold that against them, even though it shouldn't happen email can get lost due to overzealous filters at the ISP, or other reasons.
Just call, they are very helpful.

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

To the OP.....since you plan to swap it between different systems, I'd go with the QD setup. It will eliminate the possibility of damaging the threads on a TOMB. I never was a big fan of TOMB and quite honestly, keeping up with the thread protectors is just another thing to worry about. I would only consider a threaded setup as a permanent solution. Even then I would go direct thread on.

I know you didn't bring up warranty but if you are worried about the warranty, just call them up and talk to them about it. I know SEVERAL folks running SAS including myself and have never had any issues. They fixed a small burp in my setup no questions asked. When I saw their workmanship and skill set tied to their product, I never worried about a warranty. Seriously. Nobody has needed one. They had some CS issues not too long ago that got sorted out when Mile High started helping them out. They were extremely busy and needed help. Please do not confuse me with someone who works for them or trying to sale their product blindly. I am merely a customer that has had a good experience.

KillShot, I see where you are coming from so please don't think I'm knocking all warranties. When I put a new AC in my home 3 years ago, I made sure the warranty was a solid one no doubt. Honestly, I'm surprised to see a warranty of more than one month tied to any suppressor. It's a firearm and projectiles run through it. They take a beating. Will intel warranty that i7 processor from 3 years ago that just took a dump? Maybe and maybe not. I'm not worried about it because they get hot and take a beating. I bought the intel i7 initially because I knew I wouldn't need a warranty unless it crapped out in the first month. That's all I was trying to say. If you want an SAS, I say honestly go for it! I do not personally think you will be disappointed. They will work with you if you have issues and warranty their stuff if they mess it up.......

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d00d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't hold that against them, even though it shouldn't happen email can get lost due to overzealous filters at the ISP, or other reasons.
Just call, they are very helpful. </div></div>

Not just one email.... SAS themselves wont take phone calls, they want you to call their "distributor" and even they cant respond to messages. I don't deal with companies that work that way, if I need warranty work or technical assistance who am I going to contact to get that service? I just think it's a faulty way of doing business.

They make a great product I just wish the customer relations and service were matching. The SAS Arbiter I received was also full of metal shavings, clearly they were machining it and did not even bother to pull the leftovers out.

 

[offspring47]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Wow, ask about which mount and it turns into a warranty seminar

All great info and from someone who is looking to purchase his first rifle can, I really appreciate the responses.

I am leaning towards the TOMB mount since that would offer the most accuracy and repeatability. I am not too worried about switching from rifle to rifle quickly.

As far as the warranty, I called Jamie at Mile High and talked to her about it. Turns out there is only a 1 year warranty. I do understand they make a great product, but I do worry about 5 years from now some fluke thing happening, like the TIG weld coming loose, and I would like to know that the manufacturer would stand behind the product. I am in the insurance business. That said, I like to see things written down. I hope I would never have to use a warranty or get help down the road, but it's nice to know that a manufacturer HAS to help because they warrant there product for the life of it.

That was one of the main reasons I recently paid for a Spectre II and Osprey 45. I have heard nothing but praise about the guys at Silencerco/SWR and their CS.

Regarding the FAQ on SAS's website. I read that no BS warranty and didn't think twice until the warranty issue came up in this thread. When someone posted it was only a year, that made me go from a 100% buyer to one with some doubts. That's just me. I don't have great luck with things. I would be the guy that gets the 1 out of 10,000 that does have some super minute defect that doesn't show up until after a year. And it is a little annoying that SAS doesn't update their website to truly reflect what the warranty is. Like I said, when I talked to Jamie at Mile High she had to go grab the warranty card that came with one of the suppressors to verify that it was in fact only a year.

decisions, decisions....

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

A 1 year warranty? I'm sorry.... but that is BS! Your buying a product meant to take abuse, paying for it dearly, and then saying good luck after a year? Is that a year after purchase or after you receive your stamp? Because if it is at the time of purchase then you might have about 4-5 months of warranty by the time you get it in hand.

Im just not comfortable with any of that. I will stick to companies that offer lifetime warranty and proper services to the customer.

 

[bamawrx]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Offspring 47, buy the SASS product you will be thrilled with it.

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Offspring 47, buy the SASS product you will be thrilled with it. </div></div>

And, if something happens after the 1yr warranty expires, are you going to reimburse him the full cost including the ATF stamp?

If a company swears aka stands by their product, it should come with more than a 1yr warranty — period.

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Offspring 47, buy the SASS product you will be thrilled with it. </div></div>

And, if something happens after the 1yr warranty expires, are you going to reimburse him the full cost including the ATF stamp?

If a company swears aka stands by their product, it should come with more than a 1yr warranty — period. </div></div>

I agree. If your product is so top notch..... why not stand behind it with a 10 year warranty?

 

[offspring47]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

It was 1 year after you recieve the suppressor. So the time you are waiting for the form 4 to be approved is not part of that warranty period. So that's good.

 

[Eben]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: d00d</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't hold that against them, even though it shouldn't happen email can get lost due to overzealous filters at the ISP, or other reasons.
Just call, they are very helpful. </div></div>

Not just one email.... SAS themselves wont take phone calls, they want you to call their "distributor" and even they cant respond to messages. I don't deal with companies that work that way, if I need warranty work or technical assistance who am I going to contact to get that service? I just think it's a faulty way of doing business.

They make a great product I just wish the customer relations and service were matching. The SAS Arbiter I received was also full of metal shavings, clearly they were machining it and did not even bother to pull the leftovers out. </div></div>I went back and took a look at my notes and found I had called SAS on April 13th at the 800-614-9018 number they list for sales. Jamie answered the phone and was very helpful answering questions about their TOMB and QD mounts.

How long ago did you buy the Arbiter that contained tailings?

 

[bamawrx]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Offspring 47, buy the SASS product you will be thrilled with it. </div></div>

And, if something happens after the 1yr warranty expires, are you going to reimburse him the full cost including the ATF stamp?

If a company swears aka stands by their product, it should come with more than a 1yr warranty — period. </div></div>

Oh for fuck sakes. Some people here sure get worked up. Some of you guys are sounding like a bunch of children. SASS products, which I own, are top quality. I recommend them without hesitation or reservation. I don't make my equipment decisions based on some internet emotional hand wringing. I challenge you to find me a SASS product with a problem that did not get resolved by the manufacturer. Short of that evidence the discussion is kind of pointless.

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bamawrx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Offspring 47, buy the SASS product you will be thrilled with it. </div></div>

And, if something happens after the 1yr warranty expires, are you going to reimburse him the full cost including the ATF stamp?

If a company swears aka stands by their product, it should come with more than a 1yr warranty — period. </div></div>

Oh for fuck sakes. Some people here sure get worked up. Some of you guys are sounding like a bunch of children. SASS products, which I own, are top quality. I recommend them without hesitation or reservation. I don't make my equipment decisions based on some internet emotional hand wringing. I challenge you to find me a SASS product with a problem that did not get resolved by the manufacturer. Short of that evidence the discussion is kind of pointless. </div></div>

Who is SASS?

We are talking about Suppressed Armament Systems...

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive got a couple SAS products. While they are doing fine I have heard some horror stories on them. That and their CS is almost non existent. I emailed a question to their "rep" and its been over 2 months now with no reply.

I would not buy their product again when there are several companies out there that want to take care of you as a customer and earn your business and trust. </div></div>

What "questions" do you have??? If there is an issue that you have with a SAS product I will let Tim know and get it taken care of ASAP. In fact, PM me your phone number and I will pass it along to Tim. You may or may not know but in a couple weeks SAS is moving shop from Indiana to Nevada and they are swamped with trying to fill orders and get rifle builds done, plus packing up shop.
Tim does a great job at CS but at the moment he is wearing about 20 different hats and is overwhelmed, but he will take care of your concerns.

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.
</div></div>

So what is your opinion on the Arbiter?? How has it compared to other cans?? Have you had ANY QC issues with your Arbiter??

If you should have ANY problems feel free to contact me if you can't reach SAS through the normal channels. I don't work for SAS but I am good friends with them and hang in the shop from time to time!!

 

[Drgonzo_1981]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

I don't have any personal experience with sas customer service, but I don't think they would have any problem replacing their product if it was defective. Having the marketing power of positive Internet feedback is a fantastic thing, but negative can be just as powerful. They may not replace it if you use as a wheel stop, but no one in business for themselves in this arena would try to cut their own throat!!

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestTxMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any personal experience with sas customer service, but I don't think they would have any problem replacing their product if it was defective. Having the marketing power of positive Internet feedback is a fantastic thing, but negative can be just as powerful. They may not replace it if you use as a wheel stop, but no one in business for themselves in this arena would try to cut their own throat!! </div></div>

That is exactly why they have a 1 year warranty. I was talking to Tim today at the shop and he has NEVER denied a warranty that was a QC problem (and darn few of those), regardless of when it was purchased. He said this is the way he will continue to do things but wants to retain the right or denial in case some idiot slaps a can on a 240B and has more money than sense! I can't say I blame him for protecting the company, after all, Obama supporters buy cans too!

 

[KillShot]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WestTxMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have any personal experience with sas customer service, but I don't think they would have any problem replacing their product if it was defective. Having the marketing power of positive Internet feedback is a fantastic thing, but negative can be just as powerful. They may not replace it if you use as a wheel stop, but no one in business for themselves in this arena would try to cut their own throat!! </div></div>

That is exactly why they have a 1 year warranty. I was talking to Tim today at the shop and he has NEVER denied a warranty that was a QC problem (and darn few of those), regardless of when it was purchased. He said this is the way he will continue to do things but wants to retain the right or denial in case some idiot slaps a can on a 240B and has more money than sense! I can't say I blame him for protecting the company, after all, Obama supporters buy cans too!</div></div>

That is very good to hear, Kino. How much poi shift do you get with your SAS?

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.
</div></div>

So what is your opinion on the Arbiter?? How has it compared to other cans?? Have you had ANY QC issues with your Arbiter??

If you should have ANY problems feel free to contact me if you can't reach SAS through the normal channels. I don't work for SAS but I am good friends with them and hang in the shop from time to time!! </div></div>

It's doing just fine. It is being used on a custom 284 at the moment. Suppression is very nice. My only concern was when I received it, it was full of metal shavings and debris. I cleaned it out with a magnet and all is good. Thanks

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.
</div></div>

So what is your opinion on the Arbiter?? How has it compared to other cans?? Have you had ANY QC issues with your Arbiter??

If you should have ANY problems feel free to contact me if you can't reach SAS through the normal channels. I don't work for SAS but I am good friends with them and hang in the shop from time to time!! </div></div>

It's doing just fine. It is being used on a custom 284 at the moment. Suppression is very nice. My only concern was when I received it, it was full of metal shavings and debris. I cleaned it out with a magnet and all is good. Thanks </div></div>

Glad that it is working well for you. Not sure how well the magnet pulled out titanium or stainless shavings but glad it worked for you! I have seen a few of the same shavings and after a few rounds down the pipe they are gone and should not be of concern. One of the things that make the SAS cans perform so good is the extra time that is needed to perform the machining of the baffle design. Thats is where there may be some left over slivers of material.


Killshot, I promised Ryedaddy some photos and feedback on my Reaper so I will add you to the list. I will try my best to get to the range this sunday and post some info for you guys with some pics. My form 4s have not cleared yet so I still have to have Tim hold my hand all the way to the range and I am at his mercy!! I know he has some 338 AI Coverts to test so I may be able to get with him. I will say that a bunch of us got together one day to shoot and a Crane Naval Base test can (Arbiter) had the same dope on at least 4 different rifles at 600 for suppressed/un-suppressed. Mile High Shooting sells more SAS than anyone and they report 1/2 MOA or better as the average.

 

[Kino]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

BTW, Killshot I have three SAS cans. An Arbiter QD, a Reaper with TOMB setup and a 22 rimfire can.

 

[KYS]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

Kino..... it wasn't a few slivers. It was literally a birds nest. I would call it a serious blockage. Looks like it had slipped thru QC. It would have been serious damage or danger to the shooter had I not looked and fired one thru it.


But I got it cleaned out with the magnet, needle nose pliers and a few minutes in a cleaning bath.

 

[infidel88]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.
</div></div>

So what is your opinion on the Arbiter?? How has it compared to other cans?? Have you had ANY QC issues with your Arbiter??

If you should have ANY problems feel free to contact me if you can't reach SAS through the normal channels. I don't work for SAS but I am good friends with them and hang in the shop from time to time!! </div></div>

It's doing just fine. It is being used on a custom 284 at the moment. Suppression is very nice. My only concern was when I received it, it was full of metal shavings and debris. I cleaned it out with a magnet and all is good.
Thanks </div></div>




Where the hell did you get a magnet that attracts titanium? I need to invest in some stock with this company...

 

[sticshooter]

Re: SAS Arbiter - TOMB or QD? Can't Decide...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: infidel88</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kino</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I already sold the item in question. The only sas product i have left is the Ti Arbiter.
</div></div>

So what is your opinion on the Arbiter?? How has it compared to other cans?? Have you had ANY QC issues with your Arbiter??

If you should have ANY problems feel free to contact me if you can't reach SAS through the normal channels. I don't work for SAS but I am good friends with them and hang in the shop from time to time!! </div></div>

It's doing just fine. It is being used on a custom 284 at the moment. Suppression is very nice. My only concern was when I received it, it was full of metal shavings and debris. I cleaned it out with a magnet and all is good.
Thanks </div></div>




Where the hell did you get a magnet that attracts titanium? I need to invest in some stock with this company... </div></div>ME TOO!damn,we sure could have used that on the flight line when i was in the air force.would of saved us tons of time when drilling on aircraft engines,we could have used that magnet and got all the shavings out like that.sell that magnet to the government,screw green energy,we need titanium magnets.