Just wanted to know if anyone has had any Vortex finish problems IE easy ring marks or other light finish spots. Thanks
Rifle Scopes Vortex Razor finish
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Re: Vortex Razor finish
I've had two Razor's and found the finish to be nearly bombproof. You can get slight ringmarks depending on the setup, but most will come right off with some <span style="text-decoration: underline">worn</span> green scotchbrite and a little dishsoap and water. GO EASY AND SLOW.
John
I've had two Razor's and found the finish to be nearly bombproof. You can get slight ringmarks depending on the setup, but most will come right off with some <span style="text-decoration: underline">worn</span> green scotchbrite and a little dishsoap and water. GO EASY AND SLOW.
John
Re: Vortex Razor finish
I was asked to post these pics by the OP to get some opinions. This Razor was in a set of Seekins rings. The finish has been rubbed off to the bare metal in a few places. The first pic where the larger spot it, there is actually a small indentation in the scope tube. The horizontal lines in the finish look to be stress marks, rather than just ring marks. I've seen this a few times on some NF scopes that had the rings severely over torqued. I've never seen a set of properly installed Seekins rings mark up a scope this bad.
Opinions? Rings bad? Too tight? Bad finish from Vortex?
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I was asked to post these pics by the OP to get some opinions. This Razor was in a set of Seekins rings. The finish has been rubbed off to the bare metal in a few places. The first pic where the larger spot it, there is actually a small indentation in the scope tube. The horizontal lines in the finish look to be stress marks, rather than just ring marks. I've seen this a few times on some NF scopes that had the rings severely over torqued. I've never seen a set of properly installed Seekins rings mark up a scope this bad.
Opinions? Rings bad? Too tight? Bad finish from Vortex?
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Re: Vortex Razor finish
An "indentation" generally indicates it was over-torqued.
I have run Vortex and now Vortex branded Seekins on my Razor. Neither were lapped both were always installed with proper torque.
If it were mine and the scope was still functioning properly, I would reinstall it and drive on. Scratches don't make for misses.
If it isn't working properly, send it back to Vortex. I would be willing to bet they will cover this.
The finish on mine (which was a first generation) was perfect before I started dragging it around.
An "indentation" generally indicates it was over-torqued.
I have run Vortex and now Vortex branded Seekins on my Razor. Neither were lapped both were always installed with proper torque.
If it were mine and the scope was still functioning properly, I would reinstall it and drive on. Scratches don't make for misses.
If it isn't working properly, send it back to Vortex. I would be willing to bet they will cover this.
The finish on mine (which was a first generation) was perfect before I started dragging it around.
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I have no beef with the OP. As I stated, i was asked to post those pics. I fully understand that scratches in a finish are irrelevant. My stuff gets used in matches so it's going to happen. However, the only issue, be it a minor one, is that this Razor was stated to have only been used for ~100 rounds since new and then set in a safe. Myself, and I guess the OP as well, are somewhat puzzled at the conditon of the scope after the rings were removed. It was shipped to me with the rings installed. I removed them and found the marks.
I have no beef with the OP. As I stated, i was asked to post those pics. I fully understand that scratches in a finish are irrelevant. My stuff gets used in matches so it's going to happen. However, the only issue, be it a minor one, is that this Razor was stated to have only been used for ~100 rounds since new and then set in a safe. Myself, and I guess the OP as well, are somewhat puzzled at the conditon of the scope after the rings were removed. It was shipped to me with the rings installed. I removed them and found the marks.
Re: Vortex Razor finish
The images are not consistent with rings properly installed and only 100 rounds use.
The images are not consistent with rings properly installed and only 100 rounds use.
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Possibly over torqued for sure, but hard to say. Was a torque wrench used? If not what procedure was used for tightening with a standard allen wrench?
What rifle was it on? What base was on the rifle? Maybe if the base was tweaked then it could equal messed up tube.
Possibly over torqued for sure, but hard to say. Was a torque wrench used? If not what procedure was used for tightening with a standard allen wrench?
What rifle was it on? What base was on the rifle? Maybe if the base was tweaked then it could equal messed up tube.
Re: Vortex Razor finish
That looks like marks *on* the finish not *through* the finish. I've gotten marks just like that from a 'biner on my pack rubbed on the objective at a match. I used the technique posted above and it magically disappeared. I've gotten marks like that from Seekins rings, but nowhere near that dark.
John
That looks like marks *on* the finish not *through* the finish. I've gotten marks just like that from a 'biner on my pack rubbed on the objective at a match. I used the technique posted above and it magically disappeared. I've gotten marks like that from Seekins rings, but nowhere near that dark.
John
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I hate to say this but was everything wiped absolutely clean? Anything on them acts like sand paper. In most cases the spec on tightening the rings is 12 to 15 inch pounds, which isn't much.
Another thing is when you install the rings, did you push them forward before you tighten them to the base. They need to tightened correctly, if they move under the effect of recoil, your going to see the affect of that as a scuff mark like in pic 1.
I hate to say this but was everything wiped absolutely clean? Anything on them acts like sand paper. In most cases the spec on tightening the rings is 12 to 15 inch pounds, which isn't much.
Another thing is when you install the rings, did you push them forward before you tighten them to the base. They need to tightened correctly, if they move under the effect of recoil, your going to see the affect of that as a scuff mark like in pic 1.
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This would be more of an issue with proper mounting of the scope versus the quality in question on the Razor.
Squaring up and sliding forward of the lower ring mounts up against the lugs on the rail, then making sure that the scope moves forward and back as well as rolling the scope in the lower rings making sure it moves smooth without any sticking or resistance.
If there is resistance or sticking, the rings are not aligned with the scope, thus causing uneven scuff marks.
Once the scope moves or flows smooth in the lower rings the caps can be added the screws tuned in slightly with fingers.
At this point the lower portion of the rings can again be checked as being forward up against the lugs and then torqued to specs.
The scope still should be able to roll and slide in the rings if so, at this point the scope can be leveled and the ring caps can be (tightened down evenly - watch your gaps) and done to the correct torque specs.
When done this way you should have very little marks
This would be more of an issue with proper mounting of the scope versus the quality in question on the Razor.
Squaring up and sliding forward of the lower ring mounts up against the lugs on the rail, then making sure that the scope moves forward and back as well as rolling the scope in the lower rings making sure it moves smooth without any sticking or resistance.
If there is resistance or sticking, the rings are not aligned with the scope, thus causing uneven scuff marks.
Once the scope moves or flows smooth in the lower rings the caps can be added the screws tuned in slightly with fingers.
At this point the lower portion of the rings can again be checked as being forward up against the lugs and then torqued to specs.
The scope still should be able to roll and slide in the rings if so, at this point the scope can be leveled and the ring caps can be (tightened down evenly - watch your gaps) and done to the correct torque specs.
When done this way you should have very little marks
Re: Vortex Razor finish
Looks overtorqued and was way too tight when the scope was being adjusted in the rings. The finish on the razor seems pretty tough to me.
Looks overtorqued and was way too tight when the scope was being adjusted in the rings. The finish on the razor seems pretty tough to me.
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OP- Please explain what steps you took and what tools you used to mount the scope. Dd you use the same tools etc to mount the bubble level? Also, when you sent it back to Vortex for the upgrades, had the scope been mounted by then? If yes, did you remove the rings before shipping to Vortex? Any issue then?
New owner- Take off the bubble level and see if the finish is screwed up there as well.
The above should give you some more info to work into your analysis of the issue.
OP- Please explain what steps you took and what tools you used to mount the scope. Dd you use the same tools etc to mount the bubble level? Also, when you sent it back to Vortex for the upgrades, had the scope been mounted by then? If yes, did you remove the rings before shipping to Vortex? Any issue then?
New owner- Take off the bubble level and see if the finish is screwed up there as well.
The above should give you some more info to work into your analysis of the issue.
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Im the OP and I used a torque wrench and proper spec. This is not the first high end scope that Iv had and me and a buddy put the vortex and a nightforce on at the same time. I looked at his yesterday and no marks. I dont know what the hell happened to this scope and can only think that it is the paint. I sent back to Vortex with the rings on ( no need to take off )This scope was taken out to a local range in DFW and shot 100 times with 308 gold match ammo.I would think that vortex could take a look for free make positive nothing other than cosmetic for free tho? Thanks and this is a new one to me.
Im the OP and I used a torque wrench and proper spec. This is not the first high end scope that Iv had and me and a buddy put the vortex and a nightforce on at the same time. I looked at his yesterday and no marks. I dont know what the hell happened to this scope and can only think that it is the paint. I sent back to Vortex with the rings on ( no need to take off )This scope was taken out to a local range in DFW and shot 100 times with 308 gold match ammo.I would think that vortex could take a look for free make positive nothing other than cosmetic for free tho? Thanks and this is a new one to me.
Re: Vortex Razor finish
By the looks of the first and second pic, I would say that the scope has been mounted in a Larue/American defense type mount before. Unless the pics are playing some visual tricks on me, you can see on the bottom of the scope(front and rear mounting surface) a distinct point where a side clamping style ring has come to a stop at its mounting lug in the center.
It is very common for these type mounts to leave these type marks on scopes. I never recommend anyone using these type mounts for precision scopes as they almost always do this and can cause other issues, like locking up side parallax adjustments. The reason for is that they just are not held to very tight tolerances. You can literally see the inconsistencies with your eyes.
So, if indeed these pictures are not lying. I would say that it definitely has been mounted in one of those side clamping ring-one piece mounts. If the OP denies this then I really dont know what to tell you.
By the looks of the first and second pic, I would say that the scope has been mounted in a Larue/American defense type mount before. Unless the pics are playing some visual tricks on me, you can see on the bottom of the scope(front and rear mounting surface) a distinct point where a side clamping style ring has come to a stop at its mounting lug in the center.
It is very common for these type mounts to leave these type marks on scopes. I never recommend anyone using these type mounts for precision scopes as they almost always do this and can cause other issues, like locking up side parallax adjustments. The reason for is that they just are not held to very tight tolerances. You can literally see the inconsistencies with your eyes.
So, if indeed these pictures are not lying. I would say that it definitely has been mounted in one of those side clamping ring-one piece mounts. If the OP denies this then I really dont know what to tell you.
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