Rifle Scopes ACOG models

[alan98]

I'm considering an ACOG for my recce 16" build. I have no knowledge of these at all and am looking for some recommendations on what model would be suited best? 16" barrel, sopmod stock, and will be using kac 600m flip up sights for backup.

Alan

 

[eviioiive]

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the TA11 imho is about the best you can do.. I was up to 7 of them at one point

 

[Aries64]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alan98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm considering an ACOG for my recce 16" build. I have no knowledge of these at all and am looking for some recommendations on what model would be suited best? 16" barrel, sopmod stock, and will be using kac 600m flip up sights for backup.

Alan </div></div>
I agree with <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">eviioiive</span></span> - <span style="font-style: italic">"the TA11 imho is about the best you can do."</span> Something that needs to be pointed-out is that the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">ACOG TA11 Series</span></span> has the longest eye relief of all of the ACOGs' <span style="font-style: italic">except for the <span style="font-weight: bold">TA45 Series</span>, (which are 1.5Xx24)</span>. The long eye relief of the TA11 scopes' is awesome and rules for use on collapsible stocks. I have and use a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">TA11</span></span> (the original ACOG 3.5x35mm with the 4 MOA Red Donut) on a 16" AR. My scope started-out about 17 years ago on a carry handle Bushmaster 16" HB 1:9 twist and continues to work well on an LWRC M6A2-S flatop 16.1" 1:7 twist upper.

The <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">TA11</span></span> works very well for fast shots out to 300 yards, and depending upon the loads used you should be able to aim with the center of the Donut and hit. You can shoot with both eyes open using the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">BAC</span></span> (Bindon Aiming Concept) of the reticle, or with the strong eye only when using the stadia lines for more distant shots.

In case you don't know, the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">TA11 Series</span></span> is Dual Illuminated (fiber optic by day and tritum at night) so there are no batteries to drain and no electronics to fail. The reticles glow brightly under overcast skies or from a covered firing position, and too brightly under direct sunlight, so duct or masking tape is in order in the sun. The tritium is bright enough in subdued light and complete darkess, but not so bright as to "washout" the target or affect your night vision.

The stadia lines on the TA11 below the Donut go from 400 to 800 yards. I've only used the stadia out to 600 yards on steel, but it works pretty well with Black Hills Blue and Red box 55gr. and 68gr). I prefer the 68gr. but cheap 62gr. Wolf works too. Farther than 600 yards and I'll use a different gun.

And FWIW, the ACOGs' were designed for military use and are built tough-as-nails. And as I understand it Trijicon has top-notch warranty service should your ever require it, which is highly unlikely in civilian use.

Hope this helps.

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">LWRC M6A2-S in MRE finish w/Magpul UBR in OD & Black, OD MIAD, Tango Down Rail Covers, & Larue LT-706 + KMW Pod-Loc:</span></span>

Keith

 

[CSTactical]

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TA33 is the one I really. The TA31F and the TA11F will do the job very will, you do not need the RCOM4 or one like that you just pay more for the horizontal lines and the pouch.

There are a lot of great AR15 16" sight out there, we stock a lot of them so let us know if we can be of help.

Mike @ CST

 

[Pappasniper]

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I much prefer the 3.5X35 for eye relief. It's the best IMHO.

I HAVE THE 4X, 32. Not nearly as user friendly.

 

[alan98]

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Thanks for the detailed post Aries. I'm leaning towards the ta11 but am unsure of the reticle choice. I like the triangle as compared to the circle, but am unsure. Any advantages of either?

I have other AR's with eotech and aimpoint, and a 24"rrA with scope thats a laser, but want to go a different route with this. It will be WOA 16" match BBL, sopmod stock, 13.2 larue rail with larue upper and lower billet receivers with gisselle ssa-E. Rifle will be assembled next week so thats why I'm looking for optics.

Rifle will be used primarily from 100 yards to maybe 600 max using most likely 69 grain custom comps. Is an ACOG a decent choice for this? I know I won't get the full potential of the barrel with the ACOG, but I already have a scoped AR and want this one for faster shots than a scope, but more precise than an eotech etc.

Thank you in advance,

Alan

 

[Aries64]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alan98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the detailed post Aries. I'm leaning towards the ta11 but am unsure of the reticle choice. I like the triangle as compared to the circle, but am unsure. Any advantages of either?</div></div>
I don't know if either of the two have any advantages - <span style="font-style: italic">actual or perceived</span>, but I prefer the "Donut" over the "Triangle" and would choose the "Chevron" over the "Triangle" as well. The "Outside Top", Center, and Inside Bottom of the Donut are used as aiming points (see photo of page from TA11 Owner's Manual below) and the Chevron can be used in similar fashion, but the "Triangle" obscures the Center and Inside Bottom. To be fair I think that at distance the separate aiming points are moot, especially when when speed is key and the shooter has older eyes and/or weaker eyes.

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Trijicon TA11 "Donut" Reticle diagram courtesy of my TA11 Owner's Manual:</span></span>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alan98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have other AR's with eotech and aimpoint, and a 24"rrA with scope thats a laser, but want to go a different route with this. It will be WOA 16" match BBL, sopmod stock, 13.2 larue rail with larue upper and lower billet receivers with gisselle ssa-E. Rifle will be assembled next week so thats why I'm looking for optics.</div></div>
Alan,that sounds like a nice AR build.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: alan98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rifle will be used primarily from 100 yards to maybe 600 max using most likely 69 grain custom comps. Is an ACOG a decent choice for this? I know I won't get the full potential of the barrel with the ACOG, but I already have a scoped AR and want this one for faster shots than a scope, but more precise than an eotech etc.

Thank you in advance,

Alan </div></div>
Is an AR equipped with an ACOG capable of hitting torso-size targets at 600 yards? Sure it is. However, the low magnification of the ACOGs' and aiming based on Elevation stadia lines aren't the best for precision aiming. Not to take anything away from ACOGs' but when using the stadia lines at distance ACOGs' are "Minute of Man" at best. After all, the ACOGs' were originally designed for for rapid target acquistion and hits. They're very good in that regard but they're lacking for long range precision. Still, for your intended use an ACOG should work nicely for you. Hope that helps.


Keith

 

[HPLLC]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSTACTICAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TA33 is the one I really. The TA31F and the TA11F will do the job very will, you do not need the RCOM4 or one like that you just pay more for the horizontal lines and the pouch.

There are a lot of great AR15 16" sight out there, we stock a lot of them so let us know if we can be of help.

Mike @ CST </div></div>

Agreed. My RCOM4 has a focus problem on the mil stadia on the right that is annoying. If I could do it again, I might have opted for a TA31F with no Mil scale.

I would reccommend the F (chevron) reticle, the 31F would be about right for a 16" gun. The TA11F is a 20" velocity rig.

 

[Aqua Mark]

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I have the TA11 with red donut, but would also use the TA11 with red chevron, those would be my top two out of all the ACOGs.

 

[alan98]

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Thanks again! I will most likely get the "triangle" lol chevron if I go this route. I was in a hurry and couldn't remember what it was called so I called it a triangle haha.

Anyways, I now know about the Acogs thanks to your posts. I need a few days to think about it yet though.

It's either the ACOG, or Eotech with KAC 600 meter flip up iron sights. I think that would be the best of both worlds too..close quarters with an elevation adjustable rear sight for more precise rounds out to 600 yards. Also, with the 13.2 rail, I would have a longer sight radius...so...I'm still not sure which route to go.

Rifle will be put together Tuesday morning and I will scope it up to do load work. Planning on 69 nosler custom comps for now as I have 6k of those to use up. Probably 24.5-25.0 Varget. I'll post pics when it's complete.

Thanks again,
ALan

 

[McLarenross]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed. My RCOM4 has a focus problem on the mil stadia on the right that is annoying. If I could do it again, I might have opted for a TA31F with no Mil scale. </div></div>

Every RCO Ive ever used has had that same problem with the horizontal scale on the right side. Dunno why that is.

 

[samnev]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McLarenRoss</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed. My RCOM4 has a focus problem on the mil stadia on the right that is annoying. If I could do it again, I might have opted for a TA31F with no Mil scale. </div></div>

Every RCO Ive ever used has had that same problem with the horizontal scale on the right side. Dunno why that is. </div></div>
I have both the RCOM4 and the TA31. I agree with those who favor the TA31 over the RCOM4.

 

[JelloStorm]

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I like my TA-31 RCOM4. The blurry stadia on the sides is normal, and if you should the rifle on opposite shoulder, the other stadia is blurry.

 

[303_enfield]

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I've shot all the 4x and below. Donut of death for the win. Find a friend with one and take it for a test drive.

 

[Strazz]

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I agree that the TA11 is the best option if its size and weight aren't an issue. I have a TA33R-8 on my 16" and I love it. It's got better eye relief than the 4x ACOGs and it's small and light. The FOV is narrow, but sufficient. Take a look at that one, too.

 

[alan98]

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Rifle is built..I'm really liking it..posted a pic in semi auto forum

ar

Alan