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What nationality??? American. My forefathers were the ones who brought about and guaranteed your sorry ass rights to be here and spout off at the mouth all your ingnorant crap.
What nationality??? American. My forefathers were the ones who brought about and guaranteed your sorry ass rights to be here and spout off at the mouth all your ingnorant crap.
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What are you on about KS13?
Are you saying one should talk to the police without the presence of a lawyer? Even if not yet formally charged or arrested? Even if the situation seems like it might not go there? If I know I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not being asked for a witness statement of a crime or accident, no cop has reason to talk to me. How may I help you, Officer? blahblahblah not pertinent to me blahblahblah. OK, well, I gotta go. Have a good day! And that's really all it should be. I figure if a cop has reason to waste my time beyond that, he has suspicion of me. If someone is suspicious of me, and I suspect it so, I'm not giving them words to twist. Only an idiot would.
Are the Miranda Rights not a literal statement? ...a right to remain silent. Seems like one of those times it's real frigging good to use a right we so seldom choose to exercise otherwise. Kinda like the right to bear arms and a homicidal psycho jungle cat (Calvin and Hobbes reference before anything takes the jungle part beyond a children's comic) prowling the house.
What are you on about KS13?
Are you saying one should talk to the police without the presence of a lawyer? Even if not yet formally charged or arrested? Even if the situation seems like it might not go there? If I know I haven't done anything wrong and I'm not being asked for a witness statement of a crime or accident, no cop has reason to talk to me. How may I help you, Officer? blahblahblah not pertinent to me blahblahblah. OK, well, I gotta go. Have a good day! And that's really all it should be. I figure if a cop has reason to waste my time beyond that, he has suspicion of me. If someone is suspicious of me, and I suspect it so, I'm not giving them words to twist. Only an idiot would.
Are the Miranda Rights not a literal statement? ...a right to remain silent. Seems like one of those times it's real frigging good to use a right we so seldom choose to exercise otherwise. Kinda like the right to bear arms and a homicidal psycho jungle cat (Calvin and Hobbes reference before anything takes the jungle part beyond a children's comic) prowling the house.
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We were taught at an early age not to talk to strangers.
We were taught at an early age not to talk to strangers.
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Good information, thanks
Good information, thanks
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You need to identify yourself as the victim and point out the evidence. I agree that you shouldn't get diareah of the mouth but if you clam up and the suspect is giving his version of events, you might go from victim to suspect in short order.
To say NEVER talk is retarded.
You need to identify yourself as the victim and point out the evidence. I agree that you shouldn't get diareah of the mouth but if you clam up and the suspect is giving his version of events, you might go from victim to suspect in short order.
To say NEVER talk is retarded.
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Did you watch the video? At the end of the video the officer even coroborated what the lawyer at the beginning had said. Mainly this: not to talk to the police if you can help it. No talking at all.
For those of you in "Internet Land" who are lawyers, what do you think about this advice and this video?
Did you watch the video? At the end of the video the officer even coroborated what the lawyer at the beginning had said. Mainly this: not to talk to the police if you can help it. No talking at all.
For those of you in "Internet Land" who are lawyers, what do you think about this advice and this video?
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I'm a PA and NJ licensed attorney. Free advice - DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE. DO NOT CONSENT TO A SEARCH. EVER.
I'm a PA and NJ licensed attorney. Free advice - DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE. DO NOT CONSENT TO A SEARCH. EVER.
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Does this mean I can expect any and all of my posts on here to be ignored from now on?
Does this mean I can expect any and all of my posts on here to be ignored from now on?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those of you in "Internet Land" who are lawyers, what do you think about this advice and this video? </div></div>It's not useful advice to tell everyone never to talk to the police. Doing that assumes an agenda - by the lawyer, by the subject and by the police.
On the other hand, people find it useful to be educated about their rights. Likewise, it is useful for people to understand the job the police have and the parameters of that job. There is nothing wrong with informing law abiding people of what criminals already know: That the police are permitted to lie when investigating a crime and that the police are not under all circumstances your friends.
But there is nothing inherently wrong with cooperating with the police. And there is nothing wrong with intelligent, educated people talking to the police and helping them to do their job.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those of you in "Internet Land" who are lawyers, what do you think about this advice and this video? </div></div>It's not useful advice to tell everyone never to talk to the police. Doing that assumes an agenda - by the lawyer, by the subject and by the police.
On the other hand, people find it useful to be educated about their rights. Likewise, it is useful for people to understand the job the police have and the parameters of that job. There is nothing wrong with informing law abiding people of what criminals already know: That the police are permitted to lie when investigating a crime and that the police are not under all circumstances your friends.
But there is nothing inherently wrong with cooperating with the police. And there is nothing wrong with intelligent, educated people talking to the police and helping them to do their job.
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So even as a witness to a crime, you won't talk to the officer and give information that might help solve said crime? Ok, lets turn the tables. Say it's your house that gets broke into and your neighbor saw someone go in your house, or saw a car in the neighborhood by your house and got the license plate. I bet you would want them telling what they know then wouldn't you. Everything changes when the crime is commited against you. It's called doing the right thing.
So even as a witness to a crime, you won't talk to the officer and give information that might help solve said crime? Ok, lets turn the tables. Say it's your house that gets broke into and your neighbor saw someone go in your house, or saw a car in the neighborhood by your house and got the license plate. I bet you would want them telling what they know then wouldn't you. Everything changes when the crime is commited against you. It's called doing the right thing.
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I'm not say that you shouldn't do the right thing; just don't do the right thing without have legal cousel present. That's all I'm saying.
I'm not say that you shouldn't do the right thing; just don't do the right thing without have legal cousel present. That's all I'm saying.
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I'm reminded, over and over, never to believe anything that comes out of cyberspace. This is a prime example of why. As a former police officer and investigator for a Prosecuting Attorney in West Virginia, I have to wonder where this kind of advice comes from. It is most certainly worth every penny you paid for it.
It assumes that all police and law enforcement agencies (not just the AG of the United States) are corrupt. Most police officers are there because they are concerned for their communities and their families. A few have been known to abuse the power that comes with the job. But the old saying about throwing stones at others when you yourself live in a glass house comes into play. I've seen more corrupt civilians than I have corrupt cops. I've seen the criminal element of our country given the lion's share of the consideration when it comes to rights, making it increasingly difficult to protect our society from people who do not respect the rights of others.
Each of you have seen what I'm talking about when you see people driving through a stop sign or parking in a disabled parking place when they are not authorized. You see it when you hear of families passing around their children so they can get a bigger welfare check or simply berating the police because they got caught cooking meth or stopping in a traffic lane to talk to a friend when others are trying to get through. If it weren't for the police, good, ethical, proactive police, we would all be living in walled compounds with heavy armament on every parapit.
Finally, try to call a lawyer when you've been stopped for an equipment violation on the side of the road at 10:00 PM. See how fast they show up. That will almost guarantee you a trip to the jail to wait for your attorney.
Certain liberal elements of our society believe that they can turn our country into a utopian wonderland by hamstringing the police, and they've been doing it since Moses was in knickers. You can watch the evening news or read the paper, or even look out the front door of you home to see how well that's working. America has lost much of the character that it takes to even dream of a country where the police can be "good ole boys" again. The police are not the problem, the problem is with the people we see in the mirror each day.
Indiansinger
I'm reminded, over and over, never to believe anything that comes out of cyberspace. This is a prime example of why. As a former police officer and investigator for a Prosecuting Attorney in West Virginia, I have to wonder where this kind of advice comes from. It is most certainly worth every penny you paid for it.
It assumes that all police and law enforcement agencies (not just the AG of the United States) are corrupt. Most police officers are there because they are concerned for their communities and their families. A few have been known to abuse the power that comes with the job. But the old saying about throwing stones at others when you yourself live in a glass house comes into play. I've seen more corrupt civilians than I have corrupt cops. I've seen the criminal element of our country given the lion's share of the consideration when it comes to rights, making it increasingly difficult to protect our society from people who do not respect the rights of others.
Each of you have seen what I'm talking about when you see people driving through a stop sign or parking in a disabled parking place when they are not authorized. You see it when you hear of families passing around their children so they can get a bigger welfare check or simply berating the police because they got caught cooking meth or stopping in a traffic lane to talk to a friend when others are trying to get through. If it weren't for the police, good, ethical, proactive police, we would all be living in walled compounds with heavy armament on every parapit.
Finally, try to call a lawyer when you've been stopped for an equipment violation on the side of the road at 10:00 PM. See how fast they show up. That will almost guarantee you a trip to the jail to wait for your attorney.
Certain liberal elements of our society believe that they can turn our country into a utopian wonderland by hamstringing the police, and they've been doing it since Moses was in knickers. You can watch the evening news or read the paper, or even look out the front door of you home to see how well that's working. America has lost much of the character that it takes to even dream of a country where the police can be "good ole boys" again. The police are not the problem, the problem is with the people we see in the mirror each day.
Indiansinger
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Roger, I'm sorry but I heartily disagree with you for the most part. I have the utmost respect for the men that put on a badge and lay their life on the line. However they have a job to do and that job does not necessarily entail the "protection" of an innocent party. Your statement of "A few have been know to abuse power that comes with the job...." is beyond a "few". LEO get away with A LOT because many times it's easier to deal with it rather than invoke your rights. Your equipment violation example is a prime example. "I understand I have to go to jail for a broken tailight. Although I am well within my right to insist on an attorney present before I consent to a search, you're not going to wait and therefore you will take me to jail to have me wait there". No, that wouldn't be an abuse of power at all.
You've seen more corrupt civilians than corrupt cops? Of course you have. That doesn't even make sense. But LEO due to their responsibility should have a standard of ethical behavior above and beyond normal "citizenry".
Next, you want to say "people driving through a stop sign..." etc. I see LEO violate traffic laws on a daily basis. And please don't try to tell me I don't know if they're on a call or not because I've followed them. They're on a call to go get some coffee. We're all human and their job does not excuse them from the same common abuses we are all guilty of. To quote a bad Steven Segal movie, no one is "above the law".
Personally, as I said I have a great deal of respect for LEO and will give them a pass on many things. But I will not talk to them unless I have direct, factual information concerning a crime I witnessed. And as far as car searches go, I'll wait for my attorney. I pay him enough he can break away from his mistress to come see me before he gets home.
Roger, I'm sorry but I heartily disagree with you for the most part. I have the utmost respect for the men that put on a badge and lay their life on the line. However they have a job to do and that job does not necessarily entail the "protection" of an innocent party. Your statement of "A few have been know to abuse power that comes with the job...." is beyond a "few". LEO get away with A LOT because many times it's easier to deal with it rather than invoke your rights. Your equipment violation example is a prime example. "I understand I have to go to jail for a broken tailight. Although I am well within my right to insist on an attorney present before I consent to a search, you're not going to wait and therefore you will take me to jail to have me wait there". No, that wouldn't be an abuse of power at all.
You've seen more corrupt civilians than corrupt cops? Of course you have. That doesn't even make sense. But LEO due to their responsibility should have a standard of ethical behavior above and beyond normal "citizenry".
Next, you want to say "people driving through a stop sign..." etc. I see LEO violate traffic laws on a daily basis. And please don't try to tell me I don't know if they're on a call or not because I've followed them. They're on a call to go get some coffee. We're all human and their job does not excuse them from the same common abuses we are all guilty of. To quote a bad Steven Segal movie, no one is "above the law".
Personally, as I said I have a great deal of respect for LEO and will give them a pass on many things. But I will not talk to them unless I have direct, factual information concerning a crime I witnessed. And as far as car searches go, I'll wait for my attorney. I pay him enough he can break away from his mistress to come see me before he gets home.
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A police department is only as good as its chief, if he is shady then others may be also. More and more these days we read about bad cops, police chief forced to resign because of corruption in his dept. Bad cops are showing up in the paper more as time goes by. It starts at the Federal level and falls all the way down to the average beat cop. Leaders set the example the rest should follow. I was brought up to always trust the police back in the early 50'S, but today with everything going on in this country i really don't who to trust in law enforcement. I have not been stopped for at least 8 years and when i was the state trooper was a real shit head to me al over a missing license plate on the front of my truck. went to court, told the judge my side of the story, the cop said his side then looked at the ticket and said he made a mistake that i babababa. The judge threw it out and i lost a day. Some months later he was caught for shaking drivers down. Pay me and the ticket goes away.After that i say nothing to them at all.
A police department is only as good as its chief, if he is shady then others may be also. More and more these days we read about bad cops, police chief forced to resign because of corruption in his dept. Bad cops are showing up in the paper more as time goes by. It starts at the Federal level and falls all the way down to the average beat cop. Leaders set the example the rest should follow. I was brought up to always trust the police back in the early 50'S, but today with everything going on in this country i really don't who to trust in law enforcement. I have not been stopped for at least 8 years and when i was the state trooper was a real shit head to me al over a missing license plate on the front of my truck. went to court, told the judge my side of the story, the cop said his side then looked at the ticket and said he made a mistake that i babababa. The judge threw it out and i lost a day. Some months later he was caught for shaking drivers down. Pay me and the ticket goes away.After that i say nothing to them at all.
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You know, I always get a good ha ha when I hear people say "cops hava a job to do" then get upset when they do their job and try to make things difficult when it happens. Consent is simple, yes or no. If you feel you need a lawyer, then say NO! If the cop searches anyway, then you got money coming. Or if you live in Indiana or Texas, just shoot the cop and say you thought your life was in danger. I hear they are letting victimized civillians do that nowadays, and lets face it, everyone is a victim of the PO-PO.
You know, I always get a good ha ha when I hear people say "cops hava a job to do" then get upset when they do their job and try to make things difficult when it happens. Consent is simple, yes or no. If you feel you need a lawyer, then say NO! If the cop searches anyway, then you got money coming. Or if you live in Indiana or Texas, just shoot the cop and say you thought your life was in danger. I hear they are letting victimized civillians do that nowadays, and lets face it, everyone is a victim of the PO-PO.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cop searches anyway, then you got money coming.</div></div>What happens to the fruit of an illegal search when it would have been discovered anyway?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the cop searches anyway, then you got money coming.</div></div>What happens to the fruit of an illegal search when it would have been discovered anyway?
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Mike,
I see that you read the parts you wanted to and the rest went right over your head. Seeing as you appear to know so much about the police and corruption, just what would your solution to the "problem" be ???? Anyone ?? Please feel free to comment on how the system will work if we all stop talking to the police.
By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land. We just put one of the biggest lawyers in the State of Mississippi in prison for trying to bribe a Circuit Judge. I know the judge, he's an aquaintance of mine and a friend of my father. Talk about someone who thinks they are above the law. They think they ARE the law.
Now what do we do ? We can't trust the cops and we can't trust the lawyers. Who do we turn to now ?? Mexican Match, you said you had a problem with a state trooper. Okay, but where is he now. Everyone sees a few bad cops being brought to justice and say all cops are bad. But you fail to see that cops are certainly NOT above the law, and they are being fired and going to jail to prove it.
Having been a cop and now I'm helping to train them in tactics and shooting skills, I haven't met but a very few that I wouldn't trust to have my back when the chips are down. So who are you going to call when you or a family member have been mugged or raped or even murdered ? A lawyer ? Ghost Busters ?
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
Indiansinger
Mike,
I see that you read the parts you wanted to and the rest went right over your head. Seeing as you appear to know so much about the police and corruption, just what would your solution to the "problem" be ???? Anyone ?? Please feel free to comment on how the system will work if we all stop talking to the police.
By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land. We just put one of the biggest lawyers in the State of Mississippi in prison for trying to bribe a Circuit Judge. I know the judge, he's an aquaintance of mine and a friend of my father. Talk about someone who thinks they are above the law. They think they ARE the law.
Now what do we do ? We can't trust the cops and we can't trust the lawyers. Who do we turn to now ?? Mexican Match, you said you had a problem with a state trooper. Okay, but where is he now. Everyone sees a few bad cops being brought to justice and say all cops are bad. But you fail to see that cops are certainly NOT above the law, and they are being fired and going to jail to prove it.
Having been a cop and now I'm helping to train them in tactics and shooting skills, I haven't met but a very few that I wouldn't trust to have my back when the chips are down. So who are you going to call when you or a family member have been mugged or raped or even murdered ? A lawyer ? Ghost Busters ?
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
Indiansinger
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you feel you need a lawyer, then say NO! </div></div>
How 'bout saying no because you have a right to be free from unreasonable searches? You seem to be saying, "If you have nothing to hide..."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you feel you need a lawyer, then say NO! </div></div>
How 'bout saying no because you have a right to be free from unreasonable searches? You seem to be saying, "If you have nothing to hide..."
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land.</div></div>
Reading this line of your post I'm reminded of that old saying, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."
Regardless of your position, I believe that cops/LE, lawyers, insurance agents, politicians have all earned their reputation in this world and I don't pity them for it either. It is equally true if not unfortunate that some bad apples do indeed spoil the bunch.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land.</div></div>
Reading this line of your post I'm reminded of that old saying, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."
Regardless of your position, I believe that cops/LE, lawyers, insurance agents, politicians have all earned their reputation in this world and I don't pity them for it either. It is equally true if not unfortunate that some bad apples do indeed spoil the bunch.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land.</div></div>
Reading this line of your post I'm reminded of that old saying, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."
Regardless of your position, I believe that cops/LE, lawyers, insurance agents, politicians have all earned their reputation in this world and I don't pity them for it either. <span style="color: #CC0000">It is equally true if not unfortunate that some bad apples do indeed spoil the bunch</span>.</div></div>
No, that is not true. The only unfortunate part is when someone is willing to accept it as a perceived truth.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JLF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way, if you think that the lawyers everyone's so quick to trust are without their own corruption, you are living in fantasy land.</div></div>
Reading this line of your post I'm reminded of that old saying, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't."
Regardless of your position, I believe that cops/LE, lawyers, insurance agents, politicians have all earned their reputation in this world and I don't pity them for it either. <span style="color: #CC0000">It is equally true if not unfortunate that some bad apples do indeed spoil the bunch</span>.</div></div>
No, that is not true. The only unfortunate part is when someone is willing to accept it as a perceived truth.
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I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. I left a much larger agency to come here. Why you say? Well, it had a LOT to do with the politics of a Sheriff's Dept., and a small agency that really needed an experienced investigator, and was willing to pay more to get it. Anyhow, in my years I have seen just a couple of corrupt cops. We hate them more than the public does. Reason being, too many have that "one bad apple" attitude, and use it to taint all of us. It couldn't be further from the truth, but people like to believe what they WANT to believe rather then admit to the truth. One of the reasons I was brought here is my knack of getting child molesters to confess to their crimes. Many times, that's the only evidence we get with these POS. I won't go into detail about my skill here, except to say that I only feel good about it because I get convictions. Let me ask you this, if your child is molested by one of these monsters, would you prefer that they talk to me or not? If you chose not, then DO NOT COMPLAIN THAT THE MOLESTER GOT AWAY WITH IT. Make sense? Let me put it another way. We all know that many people that come on a police officer running radar, and then "flash" their headlights to warn other drivers of the presence of the officer. If you are one of those people, will you be the first one to scream for justice when the same speeder you just "saved" from the wrath of a speeding ticket kills your wife due to his excessive speeding habits that you are supporting? Or will you say, "You know, it's OK that he killed my wife and mother of my children. I'm just glad I was able to make sure he never got speeding tickets that could have made him slow down"? Many people are Hippocrates when it comes to the Police and law enforcement. They hate us until they NEED us. Those lucky firemen though, everyone loves them. They can decorate their vehicles with all kinds of "look at me, I'm a fireman" stickers and such without having to worry about "citizens" damaging their vehicles. Not so for us "evil" cops. But for those parents of the child victims who's molesters I send to prison, they seem to like me quite a bit. I'll take what I can get. Rant over.
I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. I left a much larger agency to come here. Why you say? Well, it had a LOT to do with the politics of a Sheriff's Dept., and a small agency that really needed an experienced investigator, and was willing to pay more to get it. Anyhow, in my years I have seen just a couple of corrupt cops. We hate them more than the public does. Reason being, too many have that "one bad apple" attitude, and use it to taint all of us. It couldn't be further from the truth, but people like to believe what they WANT to believe rather then admit to the truth. One of the reasons I was brought here is my knack of getting child molesters to confess to their crimes. Many times, that's the only evidence we get with these POS. I won't go into detail about my skill here, except to say that I only feel good about it because I get convictions. Let me ask you this, if your child is molested by one of these monsters, would you prefer that they talk to me or not? If you chose not, then DO NOT COMPLAIN THAT THE MOLESTER GOT AWAY WITH IT. Make sense? Let me put it another way. We all know that many people that come on a police officer running radar, and then "flash" their headlights to warn other drivers of the presence of the officer. If you are one of those people, will you be the first one to scream for justice when the same speeder you just "saved" from the wrath of a speeding ticket kills your wife due to his excessive speeding habits that you are supporting? Or will you say, "You know, it's OK that he killed my wife and mother of my children. I'm just glad I was able to make sure he never got speeding tickets that could have made him slow down"? Many people are Hippocrates when it comes to the Police and law enforcement. They hate us until they NEED us. Those lucky firemen though, everyone loves them. They can decorate their vehicles with all kinds of "look at me, I'm a fireman" stickers and such without having to worry about "citizens" damaging their vehicles. Not so for us "evil" cops. But for those parents of the child victims who's molesters I send to prison, they seem to like me quite a bit. I'll take what I can get. Rant over.
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^^^ Excellent post
^^^ Excellent post
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fpdsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. I left a much larger agency to come here. Why you say? Well, it had a LOT to do with the politics of a Sheriff's Dept., and a small agency that really needed an experienced investigator, and was willing to pay more to get it. Anyhow, in my years I have seen just a couple of corrupt cops. We hate them more than the public does. Reason being, too many have that "one bad apple" attitude, and use it to taint all of us. It couldn't be further from the truth, but people like to believe what they WANT to believe rather then admit to the truth. One of the reasons I was brought here is my knack of getting child molesters to confess to their crimes. Many times, that's the only evidence we get with these POS. I won't go into detail about my skill here, except to say that I only feel good about it because I get convictions. Let me ask you this, if your child is molested by one of these monsters, would you prefer that they talk to me or not? If you chose not, then DO NOT COMPLAIN THAT THE MOLESTER GOT AWAY WITH IT. Make sense? Let me put it another way. We all know that many people that come on a police officer running radar, and then "flash" their headlights to warn other drivers of the presence of the officer. If you are one of those people, will you be the first one to scream for justice when the same speeder you just "saved" from the wrath of a speeding ticket kills your wife due to his excessive speeding habits that you are supporting? Or will you say, "You know, it's OK that he killed my wife and mother of my children. I'm just glad I was able to make sure he never got speeding tickets that could have made him slow down"? Many people are Hippocrates when it comes to the Police and law enforcement. They hate us until they NEED us. Those lucky firemen though, everyone loves them. They can decorate their vehicles with all kinds of "look at me, I'm a fireman" stickers and such without having to worry about "citizens" damaging their vehicles. Not so for us "evil" cops. But for those parents of the child victims who's molesters I send to prison, they seem to like me quite a bit. I'll take what I can get. Rant over. </div></div>
Great point, police come to your house when we need them to help save your life yet we are pissed they give us a ticket.
Firefighters come to our house that is on fire and destroy the fire (and most of the house) with water, and we love them.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fpdsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. I left a much larger agency to come here. Why you say? Well, it had a LOT to do with the politics of a Sheriff's Dept., and a small agency that really needed an experienced investigator, and was willing to pay more to get it. Anyhow, in my years I have seen just a couple of corrupt cops. We hate them more than the public does. Reason being, too many have that "one bad apple" attitude, and use it to taint all of us. It couldn't be further from the truth, but people like to believe what they WANT to believe rather then admit to the truth. One of the reasons I was brought here is my knack of getting child molesters to confess to their crimes. Many times, that's the only evidence we get with these POS. I won't go into detail about my skill here, except to say that I only feel good about it because I get convictions. Let me ask you this, if your child is molested by one of these monsters, would you prefer that they talk to me or not? If you chose not, then DO NOT COMPLAIN THAT THE MOLESTER GOT AWAY WITH IT. Make sense? Let me put it another way. We all know that many people that come on a police officer running radar, and then "flash" their headlights to warn other drivers of the presence of the officer. If you are one of those people, will you be the first one to scream for justice when the same speeder you just "saved" from the wrath of a speeding ticket kills your wife due to his excessive speeding habits that you are supporting? Or will you say, "You know, it's OK that he killed my wife and mother of my children. I'm just glad I was able to make sure he never got speeding tickets that could have made him slow down"? Many people are Hippocrates when it comes to the Police and law enforcement. They hate us until they NEED us. Those lucky firemen though, everyone loves them. They can decorate their vehicles with all kinds of "look at me, I'm a fireman" stickers and such without having to worry about "citizens" damaging their vehicles. Not so for us "evil" cops. But for those parents of the child victims who's molesters I send to prison, they seem to like me quite a bit. I'll take what I can get. Rant over. </div></div>
Great point, police come to your house when we need them to help save your life yet we are pissed they give us a ticket.
Firefighters come to our house that is on fire and destroy the fire (and most of the house) with water, and we love them.
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fpdsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. </div></div>
I have watched so many episodes of "The First 48", that I think I know what a Lieutenant does. If a crime is on TV news, the Lieutenant comes out of his office and drives to the scene of the crime
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Ha! I wish. That's what they do in big departments. Not in my world...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fpdsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've been a cop for a good long time now. (22 years or so) I've worked for several departments. I'm currently a Detective Lieutenant in a very small agency. </div></div>
I have watched so many episodes of "The First 48", that I think I know what a Lieutenant does. If a crime is on TV news, the Lieutenant comes out of his office and drives to the scene of the crime
Ha! I wish. That's what they do in big departments. Not in my world...
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If "suspects" or "persons of interest" all stop talking to the police, the system won't grind to a halt. The police will simply have to seek evidence from someone, or someplace other than the primary suspect. Sure, the easy way for the police is for them to get people to admit to everything. But that isn't realistic.
With the Supreme Court saying that it is OK for police to lie to people, the communication is primarily going to benefit the police, not the general citizenry. If the both parties get to lie, or are required to tell the truth, then there is an even playing field. But that isn't going to happen. The reality is that suspects lie to the police, and the police are allowed to lie to the citizenry and/or suspects.
While it is illegal to lie to the police, the courts have said it is OK for the police to lie. So it seems to me that the best way to protect yourself is to respectfully remain silent, and allow the police to seek evidence from someone other than yourself.
When the police have to be truthful, I'll reconsider that opinion.
If "suspects" or "persons of interest" all stop talking to the police, the system won't grind to a halt. The police will simply have to seek evidence from someone, or someplace other than the primary suspect. Sure, the easy way for the police is for them to get people to admit to everything. But that isn't realistic.
With the Supreme Court saying that it is OK for police to lie to people, the communication is primarily going to benefit the police, not the general citizenry. If the both parties get to lie, or are required to tell the truth, then there is an even playing field. But that isn't going to happen. The reality is that suspects lie to the police, and the police are allowed to lie to the citizenry and/or suspects.
While it is illegal to lie to the police, the courts have said it is OK for the police to lie. So it seems to me that the best way to protect yourself is to respectfully remain silent, and allow the police to seek evidence from someone other than yourself.
When the police have to be truthful, I'll reconsider that opinion.
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I can't let this pass.
fpdsniper, as a father I'm glad to hear you have skill in convicting child molesters. That's great. But is that what we're talking about here? Is talking to the police really a black or white issue? Because that is NOT what we're talking about here. The only people that are going to refrain from talking to the police about a child molester is the child molester himself or an immediate family member and at that point, they're not going to talk or they are going to talk regardless of this video.
There are many situations where exercising ones Miranda rights are very appropriate and where police actions are "questionable" at best. We have those rights for a reason. This isn't the Soviet Union.
And let's talk about the "speeder" and flashing the lights. Give me a friggin' break. Not every speeder is a potential killer. Going 5 miles over the speed limit is not going to kill or save your family. "Good thing that speeder was only doing 71 mph, he would have killed everyone if he was doing 74 mph. If the speeder is going THAT MUCH faster to honestly make a difference, the cop is going to nail him regardless. Plus, I seriously doubt if someone is going 20+ mph over the speed limit they are even going to pay attention to someone flashing their lights. And if they did slow down because you were flashing your lights, then you could say you actually helped the police; so it's a win/win.
So let's look at this for what it is...a check and balance to prevent an abuse of power.
I can't let this pass.
fpdsniper, as a father I'm glad to hear you have skill in convicting child molesters. That's great. But is that what we're talking about here? Is talking to the police really a black or white issue? Because that is NOT what we're talking about here. The only people that are going to refrain from talking to the police about a child molester is the child molester himself or an immediate family member and at that point, they're not going to talk or they are going to talk regardless of this video.
There are many situations where exercising ones Miranda rights are very appropriate and where police actions are "questionable" at best. We have those rights for a reason. This isn't the Soviet Union.
And let's talk about the "speeder" and flashing the lights. Give me a friggin' break. Not every speeder is a potential killer. Going 5 miles over the speed limit is not going to kill or save your family. "Good thing that speeder was only doing 71 mph, he would have killed everyone if he was doing 74 mph. If the speeder is going THAT MUCH faster to honestly make a difference, the cop is going to nail him regardless. Plus, I seriously doubt if someone is going 20+ mph over the speed limit they are even going to pay attention to someone flashing their lights. And if they did slow down because you were flashing your lights, then you could say you actually helped the police; so it's a win/win.
So let's look at this for what it is...a check and balance to prevent an abuse of power.
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My experience with speeders flashing their lights is when they want to pass. When I was down in DC the SOP was to get as close to the guy ahead of you as you could and let it blase with you headlights until he let you pass. It got really annoying after a while. I have been in other parts of the county and they never did that. They are really a bunch of asshole down there, and they all think the same to...
My experience with speeders flashing their lights is when they want to pass. When I was down in DC the SOP was to get as close to the guy ahead of you as you could and let it blase with you headlights until he let you pass. It got really annoying after a while. I have been in other parts of the county and they never did that. They are really a bunch of asshole down there, and they all think the same to...
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Having been a cop and now I'm helping to train them in tactics and shooting skills, I haven't met but a very few that I wouldn't trust to have my back when the chips are down.
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
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1. It's always good to know they have each others back, but that's not what we're talking about are we?
2. That last paragraph was absolute spin. You in essence said that simply because LE were said to break laws that they are being called "thugs and criminals", but then we too would be such since ALL men break laws occasionally. And you followed it up with "If you don't like how it's then do it yourself." which gives clear ideology that you believe LE should get a pass simply because they do the job. Yeah no... With that "gun" and "badge" comes accountability to the citizens and public that pays them and entitles them to privileges beyond normal citizenry. So, when even a rare few abuse that trust it brings question to ALL with that same trust. That's the beauty of Democracy and the Bill of Rights. The enabling of the citizens to question Authority when said Authority is not acting within accordance of the Law, which includes those that enforce it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Having been a cop and now I'm helping to train them in tactics and shooting skills, I haven't met but a very few that I wouldn't trust to have my back when the chips are down.
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
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1. It's always good to know they have each others back, but that's not what we're talking about are we?
2. That last paragraph was absolute spin. You in essence said that simply because LE were said to break laws that they are being called "thugs and criminals", but then we too would be such since ALL men break laws occasionally. And you followed it up with "If you don't like how it's then do it yourself." which gives clear ideology that you believe LE should get a pass simply because they do the job. Yeah no... With that "gun" and "badge" comes accountability to the citizens and public that pays them and entitles them to privileges beyond normal citizenry. So, when even a rare few abuse that trust it brings question to ALL with that same trust. That's the beauty of Democracy and the Bill of Rights. The enabling of the citizens to question Authority when said Authority is not acting within accordance of the Law, which includes those that enforce it.
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I would like it so much more if people never talked to me. I wouldn't have to try to solve your stupid petty bullshit problems that you built up for years and expect me to solve in the five minites I'm there (even thought it's usually civil). I wouldn't have to listen to your stupid BS excuses as to why you ran that red light, were going 20 over is a school zone, or you reek of weed. I won't have to listen to stories about how unfairly you were treated by "the cops" in another town. I won't have to answer questions about what was going on yesterday at 0400 in the morning in the next town over - because, you know, we're all a hive mind and just know what every other cop in the country is doing at all times. I won't have to listen to you tell me that you're going to have my job when I arrest you for DUI, Domestic Abuse, or shooting at deer from your car while you were driving down the road in the city. I won't have to listen to your questions about if it's OK to carry a loaded gun in the car if you don't have a conceal carry permit, but you were in the military so you're clearly an expert in all weapons and should be exempt - while I'm on my lunch break and trying to relax for a minute. I won't have to listen to you tell me repeatedly that the crash wasn't your fault because you looked and that car (which is now imbedded into the side of your car) WASN'T THERE when you pulled into the intersection! Don't tell me that I should be out catching murderers instead of drunk or reckless drivers, even though drunk and reckless drivers kill more people every year than anyone else and we haven't had a murder in six months.
Please, for the love of Christ - listen to all the bottom-feeder defense lawyers out there, Mike, and everyone else who is butt-hurt about the cops and NEVER, EVER TALK TO THE POLICE.
I would like it so much more if people never talked to me. I wouldn't have to try to solve your stupid petty bullshit problems that you built up for years and expect me to solve in the five minites I'm there (even thought it's usually civil). I wouldn't have to listen to your stupid BS excuses as to why you ran that red light, were going 20 over is a school zone, or you reek of weed. I won't have to listen to stories about how unfairly you were treated by "the cops" in another town. I won't have to answer questions about what was going on yesterday at 0400 in the morning in the next town over - because, you know, we're all a hive mind and just know what every other cop in the country is doing at all times. I won't have to listen to you tell me that you're going to have my job when I arrest you for DUI, Domestic Abuse, or shooting at deer from your car while you were driving down the road in the city. I won't have to listen to your questions about if it's OK to carry a loaded gun in the car if you don't have a conceal carry permit, but you were in the military so you're clearly an expert in all weapons and should be exempt - while I'm on my lunch break and trying to relax for a minute. I won't have to listen to you tell me repeatedly that the crash wasn't your fault because you looked and that car (which is now imbedded into the side of your car) WASN'T THERE when you pulled into the intersection! Don't tell me that I should be out catching murderers instead of drunk or reckless drivers, even though drunk and reckless drivers kill more people every year than anyone else and we haven't had a murder in six months.
Please, for the love of Christ - listen to all the bottom-feeder defense lawyers out there, Mike, and everyone else who is butt-hurt about the cops and NEVER, EVER TALK TO THE POLICE.
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I'd call that a win-win for everyone!
I'd call that a win-win for everyone!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
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I'm laffin' although in all honesty, I understand why the cops are so defensive. They do a shitty job for way too low a paycheck and no thanks. "Men in blue" DO strap on a badge, step up to the plate and say "I got this" and put up with the BS. And THAT'S why I respect them.
Now Roger, let's discuss you're propaganda. First, let's remember that LEO are in positions of authority; authority that is abused. Yes, ABUSED. It happens all the time, that's why there are division within LEO called "Internal Affairs". So come off your holier than though cloud and realize not everyone with a badge wears a halo.
Next, I've got some bad news for cops out there. The one bad apple spoils it for the thousand in the barrel. Why? See what I said above. That badge gives you a power and authority very few wield or can fairly dispute. And because police are perceived to have "honor" (which 99.9% do) and are given the benefit of the doubt, it's VERY difficult to refute their statements or testimony.
Here's another fact. Everyone breaks the law. You do, I do, every cop here does as well. It can be something as frivolous as doing 2 mph over the speed limit or rolling through a stop sign without coming to a complete stop. OR, it can be skimming a few benjamins off that drug dealer you busted or "mistakenly" dropping that eight ball in your personal bag in the back of your cruiser (go ahead, deny it happens). So again, don't give me that LEO is above the law and are a bunch of saints-you're all human too. So yes, you have "thugs and criminals" within LEO organizations. You don't like it? I bet, it must piss you off but it's true.
So because that 1 in 1000 cop might be bad, the rest have to pay the price and the price is my cooperation. Now with any blanket statement, it's not as easy as black or white. Did I see that thug grab that lady's bag and take off? Yes, what did he look like? This. But when you come to my house and say "there was a crime committed with a gun 5 blocks over and your neighbors say you have guns" are going to get ZERO response until my attorney is present.
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
If in this conversation we cannot recognize words and statements such as "common sense" and "context" then do what you need to do.
I still point at LEO and tell my young kids "those are the good guys, you need help, got to them". I just hope that when they do, they get one of the good ones.
I'm done now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Mike, you said that you respect the "men in blue". I don't think so because you don't lump someone in with thugs and criminals if you respect them... unless you respect thugs and criminals. But I think I have a solution to the problem. All of you that think all cops are untrustworthy, apply for the job, complete the academy, and strap on a gun and hang a badge and see to it that the job is done right. Either that, or find a place where they do a better job than they do here.
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I'm laffin' although in all honesty, I understand why the cops are so defensive. They do a shitty job for way too low a paycheck and no thanks. "Men in blue" DO strap on a badge, step up to the plate and say "I got this" and put up with the BS. And THAT'S why I respect them.
Now Roger, let's discuss you're propaganda. First, let's remember that LEO are in positions of authority; authority that is abused. Yes, ABUSED. It happens all the time, that's why there are division within LEO called "Internal Affairs". So come off your holier than though cloud and realize not everyone with a badge wears a halo.
Next, I've got some bad news for cops out there. The one bad apple spoils it for the thousand in the barrel. Why? See what I said above. That badge gives you a power and authority very few wield or can fairly dispute. And because police are perceived to have "honor" (which 99.9% do) and are given the benefit of the doubt, it's VERY difficult to refute their statements or testimony.
Here's another fact. Everyone breaks the law. You do, I do, every cop here does as well. It can be something as frivolous as doing 2 mph over the speed limit or rolling through a stop sign without coming to a complete stop. OR, it can be skimming a few benjamins off that drug dealer you busted or "mistakenly" dropping that eight ball in your personal bag in the back of your cruiser (go ahead, deny it happens). So again, don't give me that LEO is above the law and are a bunch of saints-you're all human too. So yes, you have "thugs and criminals" within LEO organizations. You don't like it? I bet, it must piss you off but it's true.
So because that 1 in 1000 cop might be bad, the rest have to pay the price and the price is my cooperation. Now with any blanket statement, it's not as easy as black or white. Did I see that thug grab that lady's bag and take off? Yes, what did he look like? This. But when you come to my house and say "there was a crime committed with a gun 5 blocks over and your neighbors say you have guns" are going to get ZERO response until my attorney is present.
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
If in this conversation we cannot recognize words and statements such as "common sense" and "context" then do what you need to do.
I still point at LEO and tell my young kids "those are the good guys, you need help, got to them". I just hope that when they do, they get one of the good ones.
I'm done now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
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I'm done now. </div></div>
I'll keep that in mind. Sorry you don't have an apparent sense of humor.
And I'll be surprised if you are done.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
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I'll keep that in mind. Sorry you don't have an apparent sense of humor.
And I'll be surprised if you are done.
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Imagine being a police office... That would be one heck of a tough job. You are dealing with the lowest of low day in and day out, you are seeing some pretty traumatising things, getting abused and ridiculed, and no one has anything nice to say to you.
Lets not forget being shot at and knifed or attacked...
All they are trying to do is help and protect.
The way I see it, I break the law I am accountable to the law and the penalties applied.
These idiot lawyers bend the law to let criminals free. Those are the ones i'd be worried about.
The ones who have removed any form of protection by the law to serve the criminal element.
I've dealt with the police a fair bit, and they all say the same thing, we have no rights anymore.
They can't do anything in case the lawyer uses it against them. Imagine having to defend your actions against a law breaker.
If you break the law you should not have the rights that a law abiding citizen has.
You should go to a 6x6 room with no windows at night, you should go and work for the society you wronged and provide for them, not sit back watching cable and reading porn eating your special order doritos and 1.25l coke that you had to have because 600ml wasn't enough.
Lets help the police do their job and not listen to some stupid ass lawyer.
Imagine being a police office... That would be one heck of a tough job. You are dealing with the lowest of low day in and day out, you are seeing some pretty traumatising things, getting abused and ridiculed, and no one has anything nice to say to you.
Lets not forget being shot at and knifed or attacked...
All they are trying to do is help and protect.
The way I see it, I break the law I am accountable to the law and the penalties applied.
These idiot lawyers bend the law to let criminals free. Those are the ones i'd be worried about.
The ones who have removed any form of protection by the law to serve the criminal element.
I've dealt with the police a fair bit, and they all say the same thing, we have no rights anymore.
They can't do anything in case the lawyer uses it against them. Imagine having to defend your actions against a law breaker.
If you break the law you should not have the rights that a law abiding citizen has.
You should go to a 6x6 room with no windows at night, you should go and work for the society you wronged and provide for them, not sit back watching cable and reading porn eating your special order doritos and 1.25l coke that you had to have because 600ml wasn't enough.
Lets help the police do their job and not listen to some stupid ass lawyer.
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Mike,
I'm glad you're done. I don't often get to see in action anyone (except our current leadership in Washington) who can say so much with so little content. One minute you're patting police on the back and the next you're putting a knife between their ribs. We say that cops are not above the law and you don't acknowledge that. No one ever spoke of an investigation of a shooting blocks away and police requesting to know if you have guns in your home. Where did that come from????
You're never going to be happy with life. For now it's the cops, who are you going to bag on next? I think you should stay at home, lock your doors, and don't come out and play with us out here in the real world.
Indiansinger
Mike,
I'm glad you're done. I don't often get to see in action anyone (except our current leadership in Washington) who can say so much with so little content. One minute you're patting police on the back and the next you're putting a knife between their ribs. We say that cops are not above the law and you don't acknowledge that. No one ever spoke of an investigation of a shooting blocks away and police requesting to know if you have guns in your home. Where did that come from????
You're never going to be happy with life. For now it's the cops, who are you going to bag on next? I think you should stay at home, lock your doors, and don't come out and play with us out here in the real world.
Indiansinger
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Well,
I thought I was done until the public defenders decided to return with their fallacious arguments and denial of the facts.
I've said a lot here but your defensiveness and pride blinds you. That fine, I'm sure it's not the only time. But since in your eyes I put a knife in their ribs I guess I can stop my FOP donations and no longer support the Guns 'n Hoses events.
I continue to pat the police on the back with many examples. And I let my actions in life speak louder than my words. How am I putting a knife between their ribs? You didn't say "cops are not above the law". You implicitly implied that cops do no wrong, saying to me "you lump someone in with thugs and criminals"...well what do you call a dirty cop? A hero? They are called a "criminal" if they are dirty and break the law.
And the example I used of a shooting down the street is an example of a situation where I wouldn't talk to the police. In your mind you would expect me to let you in my house and have free rein to do what you want. Are you serious that you don't recognize that as an example? Isn't that what this entire conversation is about? Situations where it would be in ones best interest NOT to talk to the police?
You guys make me laugh. I'm unhappy with my life? So now you're a psychologist? I guess that class in the academy makes you an expert.
It's obvious you and others are only going to see it in black and white, the "us vs. them" mentality and that's fine. I'm not surprised given your experiences. You talk about me not being happy with my life yet look at the posts from your fellow officers. You're the ones with the shitty life denying the fact that there are bad cops.
Why don't you come over to Birmingham and SEE how well I treat LEO. We'll go to the new 700 yard range and have a steak. That is if you want to interact with us lowly "cop haters".
Well,
I thought I was done until the public defenders decided to return with their fallacious arguments and denial of the facts.
I've said a lot here but your defensiveness and pride blinds you. That fine, I'm sure it's not the only time. But since in your eyes I put a knife in their ribs I guess I can stop my FOP donations and no longer support the Guns 'n Hoses events.
I continue to pat the police on the back with many examples. And I let my actions in life speak louder than my words. How am I putting a knife between their ribs? You didn't say "cops are not above the law". You implicitly implied that cops do no wrong, saying to me "you lump someone in with thugs and criminals"...well what do you call a dirty cop? A hero? They are called a "criminal" if they are dirty and break the law.
And the example I used of a shooting down the street is an example of a situation where I wouldn't talk to the police. In your mind you would expect me to let you in my house and have free rein to do what you want. Are you serious that you don't recognize that as an example? Isn't that what this entire conversation is about? Situations where it would be in ones best interest NOT to talk to the police?
You guys make me laugh. I'm unhappy with my life? So now you're a psychologist? I guess that class in the academy makes you an expert.
It's obvious you and others are only going to see it in black and white, the "us vs. them" mentality and that's fine. I'm not surprised given your experiences. You talk about me not being happy with my life yet look at the posts from your fellow officers. You're the ones with the shitty life denying the fact that there are bad cops.
Why don't you come over to Birmingham and SEE how well I treat LEO. We'll go to the new 700 yard range and have a steak. That is if you want to interact with us lowly "cop haters".
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I'm glad you're done. I don't often get to see in action anyone (except our current leadership in Washington) who can say so much with so little content. One minute you're patting police on the back and the next you're putting a knife between their ribs. We say that cops are not above the law and you don't acknowledge that. No one ever spoke of an investigation of a shooting blocks away and police requesting to know if you have guns in your home. Where did that come from????
You're never going to be happy with life. For now it's the cops, who are you going to bag on next? I think you should stay at home, lock your doors, and don't come out and play with us out here in the real world.
Indiansinger
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You talk about lack of content, but your comprehension and reading skills make me question your investigative skills altogether. He never put down the majority but explicitly said the few that actually do violate rights affect the majority. You're under some illusion that an attack on one bad officer is an attack on all your brethren which is an even bigger problem because IMO guys like you will cover up for those that do abuse their power all in the attempt to protect your own interest and image. That's right... I just said a guy like you would cover up for an officer that broke the law.
And for fuck sakes get familiar with what an analogy is. This whole thread is an analogy for hypothetical situations that arise, yet you try and draw on one persons analogy and use it as spin to support your lost cause, and it is lost because you've gone to a point of defending the bad cops out there...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I'm glad you're done. I don't often get to see in action anyone (except our current leadership in Washington) who can say so much with so little content. One minute you're patting police on the back and the next you're putting a knife between their ribs. We say that cops are not above the law and you don't acknowledge that. No one ever spoke of an investigation of a shooting blocks away and police requesting to know if you have guns in your home. Where did that come from????
You're never going to be happy with life. For now it's the cops, who are you going to bag on next? I think you should stay at home, lock your doors, and don't come out and play with us out here in the real world.
Indiansinger
</div></div>
You talk about lack of content, but your comprehension and reading skills make me question your investigative skills altogether. He never put down the majority but explicitly said the few that actually do violate rights affect the majority. You're under some illusion that an attack on one bad officer is an attack on all your brethren which is an even bigger problem because IMO guys like you will cover up for those that do abuse their power all in the attempt to protect your own interest and image. That's right... I just said a guy like you would cover up for an officer that broke the law.
And for fuck sakes get familiar with what an analogy is. This whole thread is an analogy for hypothetical situations that arise, yet you try and draw on one persons analogy and use it as spin to support your lost cause, and it is lost because you've gone to a point of defending the bad cops out there...
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
[blah blah blah]
I'm done now. </div></div>
I'll keep that in mind. Sorry you don't have an apparent sense of humor.
And I'll be surprised if you are done. </div></div>
Lol... You did try to interject humor into a standoff situation man...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now SPDSNYPER let's address your "leave me the f**k alone" attitude. I get it, you deal with dipshits all the time. But are you going to *stand* there and say you can't tell the difference between a upstanding law abiding citizen and someone you wouldn't turn your back on? Did you not realize all the BS you were going to have to deal with as an LEO when you signed up? Do you not get any reward for your service? Maybe a career in LE isn't for you?
[blah blah blah]
I'm done now. </div></div>
I'll keep that in mind. Sorry you don't have an apparent sense of humor.
And I'll be surprised if you are done. </div></div>
Lol... You did try to interject humor into a standoff situation man...
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
Mike,
I guess we may not be able to get on the same page. I have been known to be a bit thick sometimes but I will never defend a crooked cop. I wasn't one and I don't condone the little "liberties" that some officers take. My philosophy was that I couldn't write up someone for something I might do myself. The STOP on the sign didn't stand for "skid tires on pavement". The blue light was for emergencies only and I was a public servant, not the CEO of the universe.
Yes, there are some bad cops out there but there are many more fine cops out there too. That's all I've meant to say. If you and Broker will go back and read my posts carefully, You will see that I was defending the good cops and the best law enforcement system anywhere in the free world. I will say again, I will never defend a bad cop. They're a blight on the rest of the good ones.
At first I thought you were talking about Birmingham, AL and I was ready to come visit and try out your new 700 yrd range or go to one of the gun shows there, but I don't think Mt. Etna is in Alabama. I don't consider a person with a different opinion an enemy.... just a person with a different opinion.
Indiansinger
Mike,
I guess we may not be able to get on the same page. I have been known to be a bit thick sometimes but I will never defend a crooked cop. I wasn't one and I don't condone the little "liberties" that some officers take. My philosophy was that I couldn't write up someone for something I might do myself. The STOP on the sign didn't stand for "skid tires on pavement". The blue light was for emergencies only and I was a public servant, not the CEO of the universe.
Yes, there are some bad cops out there but there are many more fine cops out there too. That's all I've meant to say. If you and Broker will go back and read my posts carefully, You will see that I was defending the good cops and the best law enforcement system anywhere in the free world. I will say again, I will never defend a bad cop. They're a blight on the rest of the good ones.
At first I thought you were talking about Birmingham, AL and I was ready to come visit and try out your new 700 yrd range or go to one of the gun shows there, but I don't think Mt. Etna is in Alabama. I don't consider a person with a different opinion an enemy.... just a person with a different opinion.
Indiansinger
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
Yes, there are some bad cops out there but there are many more fine cops out there too. That's all I've meant to say. If you and Broker will go back and read my posts carefully, You will see that I was defending the good cops and the best law enforcement system anywhere in the free world. I will say again, I will never defend a bad cop. They're a blight on the rest of the good ones.
At first I thought you were talking about Birmingham, AL and I was ready to come visit and try out your new 700 yrd range or go to one of the gun shows there, but I don't think Mt. Etna is in Alabama. I don't consider a person with a different opinion an enemy.... just a person with a different opinion.
Indiansinger
</div></div>
Roger,
You and I are in almost total agreement. I've said that there are many more fine cops out there. THOSE are the guys I have a lot of respect for. The point I was making is that ONE bad cop makes it difficult to "trust"(?) the thousands of good cops; because it only takes one when they wield that much authority. We don't share different opinions and five minutes of a FTF conversation would shed light on that.
Next time you're in Birmingham, let me know. The club just opened a new 700 range there and we always need a good excuse to shoot it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Roger C. Carpenter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
Yes, there are some bad cops out there but there are many more fine cops out there too. That's all I've meant to say. If you and Broker will go back and read my posts carefully, You will see that I was defending the good cops and the best law enforcement system anywhere in the free world. I will say again, I will never defend a bad cop. They're a blight on the rest of the good ones.
At first I thought you were talking about Birmingham, AL and I was ready to come visit and try out your new 700 yrd range or go to one of the gun shows there, but I don't think Mt. Etna is in Alabama. I don't consider a person with a different opinion an enemy.... just a person with a different opinion.
Indiansinger
</div></div>
Roger,
You and I are in almost total agreement. I've said that there are many more fine cops out there. THOSE are the guys I have a lot of respect for. The point I was making is that ONE bad cop makes it difficult to "trust"(?) the thousands of good cops; because it only takes one when they wield that much authority. We don't share different opinions and five minutes of a FTF conversation would shed light on that.
Next time you're in Birmingham, let me know. The club just opened a new 700 range there and we always need a good excuse to shoot it.
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
BTW: The 5th Amendment privilege only applies to testimony, and only to natural persons. </div></div>
Sorry, what is meant by "natural person?"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
BTW: The 5th Amendment privilege only applies to testimony, and only to natural persons. </div></div>
Sorry, what is meant by "natural person?"
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
Mike,
Birmingham isn't that far away. Let me know when there's a good gun show or a club shoot at your new range and I just might show up. I need a good spotter so I can work up some dope on a new Savage 110 BA .338LM.
Indiansinger
Mike,
Birmingham isn't that far away. Let me know when there's a good gun show or a club shoot at your new range and I just might show up. I need a good spotter so I can work up some dope on a new Savage 110 BA .338LM.
Indiansinger
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
christ man..i dont have an hour to blow watching that
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc </div></div>
christ man..i dont have an hour to blow watching that
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc </div></div>
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like it so much more if people never talked to me.</div></div>
Sounds to me like you are in the wrong line of work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like it so much more if people never talked to me.</div></div>
Sounds to me like you are in the wrong line of work.
Re: Video on why to never talk to police
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like it so much more if people never talked to me.</div></div>
Sounds to me like you are in the wrong line of work. </div></div>
Sounds to me like you don't read much and don't have a sense of humor.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cavemanmoore</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SPDSNYPR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would like it so much more if people never talked to me.</div></div>
Sounds to me like you are in the wrong line of work. </div></div>
Sounds to me like you don't read much and don't have a sense of humor.
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