Not sure which to get for a CCP. Had the XD40 sc and was a little "boxy" for me and I was thinking the Xd 45-s. I like how thin the CM40 and Xd 45-s is. I heard bad reviews on the Kahr CM and PM series. I have always wanted to try a Glock 27. I also like how thin the Walther PPS is but I know nothing about them. What do you all think about any of these? I want as thin as I can get, NOT lose capacity in the mag, nice concealable size, and reliability....easy to carry. I want to stay with .40 cal but I am willing to go to .45 to try the XD-s .45. Thanks for your help.
Sidearms & Scatterguns Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
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I just saw the XD-S... It should solve this dilema. Way cool gun.
I just saw the XD-S... It should solve this dilema. Way cool gun.
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I don't know much about the XDs. I have had a Khar PM9 and P45. I know this will not be a popular opinion but I would agree with you, stay away from them. I was unable to get either one of them to be reliable. I keep ending up carrying a Glock. Right now I carry a G23. Went to that from a G36 because of the capacity. I'm not a Glock fanboy. I enjoy owning several brands. Sig is at the top of my list. But when I walk out the door I always have my trusty ugly black piece of plastic with me.
I don't know much about the XDs. I have had a Khar PM9 and P45. I know this will not be a popular opinion but I would agree with you, stay away from them. I was unable to get either one of them to be reliable. I keep ending up carrying a Glock. Right now I carry a G23. Went to that from a G36 because of the capacity. I'm not a Glock fanboy. I enjoy owning several brands. Sig is at the top of my list. But when I walk out the door I always have my trusty ugly black piece of plastic with me.
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Seriously, you gotta see one in person.
http://www.xdspistol.com/
Seriously, you gotta see one in person.
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I'd ask "Why .40?", but if that's your flavor, so be it. I've shot the PPS, but in 9mm. It was a little bitey on the web of my hand in recoil, but on the positive side, for you at least, it's dead slim. My money would be on a P99:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/s..._category=43326
I'd ask "Why .40?", but if that's your flavor, so be it. I've shot the PPS, but in 9mm. It was a little bitey on the web of my hand in recoil, but on the positive side, for you at least, it's dead slim. My money would be on a P99:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/s..._category=43326
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aloreman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">springfeild emp </div></div>Well, if you can pony up the cash, I'll agree with this choice. I shot one, that belongs to a friend of mine, and I did pretty good with it. Nice and flat too.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: aloreman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">springfeild emp </div></div>Well, if you can pony up the cash, I'll agree with this choice. I shot one, that belongs to a friend of mine, and I did pretty good with it. Nice and flat too.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
Thanks. Anyone else?
Thanks. Anyone else?
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
While not particularly slim (or flashy), another option is one of the seriously underrated S&W 3rd Generation semiautos, specifically the 4013. Looking here and there you can still find them, quite often as law enforcement trade-ins, and quite often they've seen little hard use. I carry its slightly smaller 9mm brother, the 3913, from time to time in the summer.
While not particularly slim (or flashy), another option is one of the seriously underrated S&W 3rd Generation semiautos, specifically the 4013. Looking here and there you can still find them, quite often as law enforcement trade-ins, and quite often they've seen little hard use. I carry its slightly smaller 9mm brother, the 3913, from time to time in the summer.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.xdspistol.com/
Seriously, you gotta see one in person. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">What he said!!!!!!!!!</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sgt. 0811</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.xdspistol.com/
Seriously, you gotta see one in person. </div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">What he said!!!!!!!!!</span>
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
I carry a walther pps 9mm daily. The 40 is the same size. You can verify that on smith and wessons website. The trigger is what sold me on buying mine. I thought it was one of the best triggers on a single stack ccw pistol at the time. I believe its a 6 lb trigger. Im a pretty thin build and at 1" wide it conceals anywhere on me. It will fit it in a coat pocket during the winter months.
Another option might be the S&W M&P Shield. I havent got my hands on one to shoot yet, but I've read some great reviews. They are right around the same size as the PPS. I own a couple M&Ps and love them. If I start looking for another CCW this will most likely be my choice.
Here is a thread from a couple months ago.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3257781
Good luck.
I carry a walther pps 9mm daily. The 40 is the same size. You can verify that on smith and wessons website. The trigger is what sold me on buying mine. I thought it was one of the best triggers on a single stack ccw pistol at the time. I believe its a 6 lb trigger. Im a pretty thin build and at 1" wide it conceals anywhere on me. It will fit it in a coat pocket during the winter months.
Another option might be the S&W M&P Shield. I havent got my hands on one to shoot yet, but I've read some great reviews. They are right around the same size as the PPS. I own a couple M&Ps and love them. If I start looking for another CCW this will most likely be my choice.
Here is a thread from a couple months ago.
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3257781
Good luck.
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Thanks for the info. I am really surprised that there arent more Glock fans out there. I loved the way the Xd40sc felt when I had them....just too boxy. I had the S&W M&P 40c and it was ok too.I need to find a XD-s and look at it. It sounds pretty cool but only 5 rounds. I guess you cant have both (small size and decent mag capacity). Anyone else heard anything negative about the Kahrs? Anything good for Glocks? I REALLY want to try a Glock 27 but the grip (front to back) is alittle wide and feels strange, but I heard they are very reliable. I guess I a really between Glock 27 and the XD-s .45. I guess I have to figure out if I want to switch to a .45 or stay with .40....and if mag capacity is THAT important to me.
Thanks for the info. I am really surprised that there arent more Glock fans out there. I loved the way the Xd40sc felt when I had them....just too boxy. I had the S&W M&P 40c and it was ok too.I need to find a XD-s and look at it. It sounds pretty cool but only 5 rounds. I guess you cant have both (small size and decent mag capacity). Anyone else heard anything negative about the Kahrs? Anything good for Glocks? I REALLY want to try a Glock 27 but the grip (front to back) is alittle wide and feels strange, but I heard they are very reliable. I guess I a really between Glock 27 and the XD-s .45. I guess I have to figure out if I want to switch to a .45 or stay with .40....and if mag capacity is THAT important to me.
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The Glock 36 never took off and got popular - essentially an answer to a question never asked. It's unclear to me what the new singlestack XD45 has the Glock 36 doesn't ...?
I foresee that new XD to sell to the loyal XD owners, and to a few people that would like an XD, but can't quite get their hand around a doublestack XD - and then become the black sheep of the XD family, just like the 36.
I am a Glock fan. I bought a 36, thinking it would be my end-all be-all carry piece... It wasn't. A Kahr PM9 is.
I don't know what to say about the aforementioned reliability issues stated concerning the Kahrs. Mine has been amazing. Awesone, awesome little piece.
The Glock 36 never took off and got popular - essentially an answer to a question never asked. It's unclear to me what the new singlestack XD45 has the Glock 36 doesn't ...?
I foresee that new XD to sell to the loyal XD owners, and to a few people that would like an XD, but can't quite get their hand around a doublestack XD - and then become the black sheep of the XD family, just like the 36.
I am a Glock fan. I bought a 36, thinking it would be my end-all be-all carry piece... It wasn't. A Kahr PM9 is.
I don't know what to say about the aforementioned reliability issues stated concerning the Kahrs. Mine has been amazing. Awesone, awesome little piece.
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I've got the Kahr CW9 and I have yet to have a problem with it. It's a little taller and longer than the CM/PM series pistols they make and I'm not sure if that contributes to the reliability of mine but I love it. I wouldn't just discount the Kahr.
I've got the Kahr CW9 and I have yet to have a problem with it. It's a little taller and longer than the CM/PM series pistols they make and I'm not sure if that contributes to the reliability of mine but I love it. I wouldn't just discount the Kahr.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
Slightly larger than the ones listed above, but the Walther PPQ should still be concealable. I tried out the trigger at a store and I have to say, it's amazing.
Slightly larger than the ones listed above, but the Walther PPQ should still be concealable. I tried out the trigger at a store and I have to say, it's amazing.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
I have a Kahr cw40. I love it. it does have 2 little kwirks. 1st is that when chambering a round, you must lock the slide to the rear and then use the slide release. racking the slide will not chamber a round, no matter how many times you try, this is really only an issue for the initial chambering, as if you need to reload during a defensive situation, the slide will be locked to the rear already, but don't try to rack it. And number 2 is a little strange, but, when you disassemble and reassemble, watch the assembly pin and the slide release spring. it's a common problem for people to bend the slide release spring while pushing the disassembly pin into the frame. if you bend that spring, the slide will lock to the rear after every shot.
these quirks are deal breakers for some people, but, my kahr is as reliable as my 1911 now that i know how to take care of it, and it shoots tighter groups too. Also, kahr has THE BEST customer service i have ever heard of, especially in the world of firearms. i called them when my cw40 was locking to the rear after every shot, they explained what was wrong, how to fix it, and then asked for my information, and without my even having to ask, they said the part was in the mail.
I had an xd 40 before the kahr, and i like the kahr a lot better. it's nice and slim. even the 45 model is tiny compared to others.
I almost bought a pps a few years ago, but they were habing issues with slide release spring snapping and slides locking to the rear and having to be sent back for manufacturer repair. I'm sure that they've fixed it by now, but, idk.
I have yet to read anything negative on Kahr's steelframed lines, they are heavy, but incredibly accurate and reliable.
I have a Kahr cw40. I love it. it does have 2 little kwirks. 1st is that when chambering a round, you must lock the slide to the rear and then use the slide release. racking the slide will not chamber a round, no matter how many times you try, this is really only an issue for the initial chambering, as if you need to reload during a defensive situation, the slide will be locked to the rear already, but don't try to rack it. And number 2 is a little strange, but, when you disassemble and reassemble, watch the assembly pin and the slide release spring. it's a common problem for people to bend the slide release spring while pushing the disassembly pin into the frame. if you bend that spring, the slide will lock to the rear after every shot.
these quirks are deal breakers for some people, but, my kahr is as reliable as my 1911 now that i know how to take care of it, and it shoots tighter groups too. Also, kahr has THE BEST customer service i have ever heard of, especially in the world of firearms. i called them when my cw40 was locking to the rear after every shot, they explained what was wrong, how to fix it, and then asked for my information, and without my even having to ask, they said the part was in the mail.
I had an xd 40 before the kahr, and i like the kahr a lot better. it's nice and slim. even the 45 model is tiny compared to others.
I almost bought a pps a few years ago, but they were habing issues with slide release spring snapping and slides locking to the rear and having to be sent back for manufacturer repair. I'm sure that they've fixed it by now, but, idk.
I have yet to read anything negative on Kahr's steelframed lines, they are heavy, but incredibly accurate and reliable.
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I have the XDS in my shop......it may have to come home with me....dunno if I can bring myself to sell it, not very many available right now.
I have the XDS in my shop......it may have to come home with me....dunno if I can bring myself to sell it, not very many available right now.
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Early polymer Kahrs had dimensional problems because of what they described as 'unpredictable shrinkage' that occurred as they cured. I think old problems keep getting dredged up, usually by people who don't own one and are looking to knock someone else's taste in guns. Glock had considerable experience with injection molding before they started building guns, an advantage Kahr did not enjoy. As OT-Medic noted, the steel Kahrs have been as reliable as a brick since day one, but it took the plastic ones a while to catch up. It's been several years but they also told me the PMs tend to fair better with ammunition using heavier bullets, and more than a few people think you make the best of a short barreled pistol by shooting lighter bullets.
I bought a PM40 in the early oughties that became problematic, randomly FTFing or FTEing, but only when hot <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> dirty <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> near the end of the magazine. It made one trip back to the factory and has run flawlessly ever since. I remain convinced there's so little metal in the slide of the smallest Kahrs that they're prone to heat-related malfunctions if you treat them like a range gun, moreso the .40s than the niners. But I only ever carry 12 rounds when I'm CCWing it (5+1 & a spare 6-rd mag), and I know from years of testing that 12 isn't enough to cause any heat-related problems.
Comparing the width of a subcompact Glock, a PM Kahr and a T-series Kahr
What drew me to the PM40 is that it was the tiniest .40 S&W made. For bonus points, it weighs 20.3 ounces, loaded 5+1.
Comparing the size of a P3AT and a PM40, almost twice life sized
I'm also very impressed with the XDs. They were born from fire and have an excellent pedigree. My ace running buddy has a couple he can't break, and this guy can tear the horn off an anvil. We always try each other's guns when we go shooting together and if I weren't already so heavily invested in Glocks, I'd be sorely tempted to switch to Springfields.
But they don't match the PMs for concealability. For that, IMHO, the PM40 has no equal.
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The Kahrs also taught me that I prefer their vertical 2-dot sights over horizontal 3-dot sights. For me, sight alignment with the vertical 2-dots is much more instinctive. So I ended up switching everything I have that they're made for to XS Big Dot sights.
Early polymer Kahrs had dimensional problems because of what they described as 'unpredictable shrinkage' that occurred as they cured. I think old problems keep getting dredged up, usually by people who don't own one and are looking to knock someone else's taste in guns. Glock had considerable experience with injection molding before they started building guns, an advantage Kahr did not enjoy. As OT-Medic noted, the steel Kahrs have been as reliable as a brick since day one, but it took the plastic ones a while to catch up. It's been several years but they also told me the PMs tend to fair better with ammunition using heavier bullets, and more than a few people think you make the best of a short barreled pistol by shooting lighter bullets.
I bought a PM40 in the early oughties that became problematic, randomly FTFing or FTEing, but only when hot <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> dirty <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> near the end of the magazine. It made one trip back to the factory and has run flawlessly ever since. I remain convinced there's so little metal in the slide of the smallest Kahrs that they're prone to heat-related malfunctions if you treat them like a range gun, moreso the .40s than the niners. But I only ever carry 12 rounds when I'm CCWing it (5+1 & a spare 6-rd mag), and I know from years of testing that 12 isn't enough to cause any heat-related problems.
Comparing the width of a subcompact Glock, a PM Kahr and a T-series Kahr
What drew me to the PM40 is that it was the tiniest .40 S&W made. For bonus points, it weighs 20.3 ounces, loaded 5+1.
Comparing the size of a P3AT and a PM40, almost twice life sized
I'm also very impressed with the XDs. They were born from fire and have an excellent pedigree. My ace running buddy has a couple he can't break, and this guy can tear the horn off an anvil. We always try each other's guns when we go shooting together and if I weren't already so heavily invested in Glocks, I'd be sorely tempted to switch to Springfields.
But they don't match the PMs for concealability. For that, IMHO, the PM40 has no equal.
EDIT:
The Kahrs also taught me that I prefer their vertical 2-dot sights over horizontal 3-dot sights. For me, sight alignment with the vertical 2-dots is much more instinctive. So I ended up switching everything I have that they're made for to XS Big Dot sights.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
Springfield's new XD single stack should fit your needs.
Springfield's new XD single stack should fit your needs.
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If you want a Kahr for thinnest profile and are carrying inside the belt and not pocket carry, than consider the K9 or K40. I've found that the metal framed Kahrs don't seem to have to same malfunction and "break-in" issues that the polymer one do.
If you want a Kahr for thinnest profile and are carrying inside the belt and not pocket carry, than consider the K9 or K40. I've found that the metal framed Kahrs don't seem to have to same malfunction and "break-in" issues that the polymer one do.
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Since we're talking Kahrs again...
+1 on the aforementioned chambering quirk. My PM9 will only properly chamber the first round from a magazine 50-75% of the time using the "slingshot" method. The manual states you must use the slide release to chamber round 1. If you follow the instructions, it works 100%.
Mine works flawlessly. It is extremely accurate, and has by FAR the least perceived recoil of any tiny-9 I've tried, and I've tried a lot. Over the Chronograph, Winchester PDX1 124gr +P goes ~1150, for about 400ft-lbs, and shoots it easily, if you were totally deaf, and your perception of recoil wasn't skewed by the report, you'd have a hard time distinguishing range ammo from +P defense ammo.
Mine lives in a pocket holster, and doesn't get shot from month to month. Occasionally, when at the range and thinking about it, I'll pull it out and fire the mag out of it - I always get a real nice lint/leather dust cloud, but it ALWAYS works. Great little piece... It's my end-all be-all everyday carry companion.
Since we're talking Kahrs again...
+1 on the aforementioned chambering quirk. My PM9 will only properly chamber the first round from a magazine 50-75% of the time using the "slingshot" method. The manual states you must use the slide release to chamber round 1. If you follow the instructions, it works 100%.
Mine works flawlessly. It is extremely accurate, and has by FAR the least perceived recoil of any tiny-9 I've tried, and I've tried a lot. Over the Chronograph, Winchester PDX1 124gr +P goes ~1150, for about 400ft-lbs, and shoots it easily, if you were totally deaf, and your perception of recoil wasn't skewed by the report, you'd have a hard time distinguishing range ammo from +P defense ammo.
Mine lives in a pocket holster, and doesn't get shot from month to month. Occasionally, when at the range and thinking about it, I'll pull it out and fire the mag out of it - I always get a real nice lint/leather dust cloud, but it ALWAYS works. Great little piece... It's my end-all be-all everyday carry companion.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
I carry a G27 or a G29. I prefer the G29 but the G27 is easier to hide in summer. Super reliable, I don't think either have ever had a malfunction that wasn't related to my working up loads and changing springs at the range. For carry, the factory setup is hard to beat.
I suppose with most of the modern designs it really depends on which one fits you best. This question gets asked all the time and folks usually defend their position to the point of futility. For me, the Glock fits. For you it may be another. Just get one of the more popular quality ones.
The G36 was a flop but it should have been a hit. NRA rag had an article about that, how it should have been more popular. When it came out, it had no competition really, but everyone wanted high cap. back then because the government was telling us we couldn't have it. Now that we can, everyone wants concealability! I like both truth be told.
I carry a G27 or a G29. I prefer the G29 but the G27 is easier to hide in summer. Super reliable, I don't think either have ever had a malfunction that wasn't related to my working up loads and changing springs at the range. For carry, the factory setup is hard to beat.
I suppose with most of the modern designs it really depends on which one fits you best. This question gets asked all the time and folks usually defend their position to the point of futility. For me, the Glock fits. For you it may be another. Just get one of the more popular quality ones.
The G36 was a flop but it should have been a hit. NRA rag had an article about that, how it should have been more popular. When it came out, it had no competition really, but everyone wanted high cap. back then because the government was telling us we couldn't have it. Now that we can, everyone wants concealability! I like both truth be told.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2down1UP2down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I carry a walther pps 9mm daily. The 40 is the same size. You can verify that on smith and wessons website. The trigger is what sold me on buying mine. I thought it was one of the best triggers on a single stack ccw pistol at the time. I believe its a 6 lb trigger. Im a pretty thin build and at 1" wide it conceals anywhere on me. It will fit it in a coat pocket during the winter months.
...Good luck.
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To add FWIW; the PPS in 9mm has continued to function without hiccup for me across multiple ammo, cheap and HP. More than I can say for a past Walther P99.
The trigger feel is hard to disern against a G17 with a 3.5lb connector. It could be (I) considered a bit too light in utility. The mag release is secure by being captured in holster, its also not friendly to thumb reload operation. Ergos are very personable, its been reliable/quality in function.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2down1UP2down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I carry a walther pps 9mm daily. The 40 is the same size. You can verify that on smith and wessons website. The trigger is what sold me on buying mine. I thought it was one of the best triggers on a single stack ccw pistol at the time. I believe its a 6 lb trigger. Im a pretty thin build and at 1" wide it conceals anywhere on me. It will fit it in a coat pocket during the winter months.
...Good luck.
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To add FWIW; the PPS in 9mm has continued to function without hiccup for me across multiple ammo, cheap and HP. More than I can say for a past Walther P99.
The trigger feel is hard to disern against a G17 with a 3.5lb connector. It could be (I) considered a bit too light in utility. The mag release is secure by being captured in holster, its also not friendly to thumb reload operation. Ergos are very personable, its been reliable/quality in function.
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I really like the size of the Kahr. What is the equal to the PM40....CM40? I would not mind trying one. I think the CM40 is alot less expensive than the PM40. I also know that the barrel has different rifling and the slide has different markings that drive up the price of the PM40. I am affraid to try it and take a chance on the FTF and FTE issues that SOME have....not all. I have also heard alot of good things.
As far as the new XD-s .45 goes....I went to one of the local stores today and the guy said he hasnt heard of them shipping them out yet. There are none to be found at ANY local store or gun show. I would really like to check it out.
I really like the size of the Kahr. What is the equal to the PM40....CM40? I would not mind trying one. I think the CM40 is alot less expensive than the PM40. I also know that the barrel has different rifling and the slide has different markings that drive up the price of the PM40. I am affraid to try it and take a chance on the FTF and FTE issues that SOME have....not all. I have also heard alot of good things.
As far as the new XD-s .45 goes....I went to one of the local stores today and the guy said he hasnt heard of them shipping them out yet. There are none to be found at ANY local store or gun show. I would really like to check it out.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
Got one. Need something a little larger....not much larger though.
Got one. Need something a little larger....not much larger though.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
The only difference between the pm40 and the cm40 is that the pm has the polygonal rifling and laser etched markings. The first, I have no direct or educated opinion on, but (really big but) I have read many opposing opinions as to whether or not polygonal rifling makes any sort of a notable difference in accuracy. And as for the laser etched markings... Who cares? My cw40 is sharp. It just looks good. It doesn't need laser etched emblems etc. it's in my holster unless it's going bang, and in neither case will anyone say "hmmm your firearm looks kinda shabby... You should have gotten the laser etched one..."
The CW40 is the next size up from the cm, so there will be some differences, but, I've put 850 rounds or more through it without any FTF or FTE. The only issue I had was what I mentioned earlier, and that was my own stupid fault. Since replacing that spring, it has worked 110% flawlessly 110% of the time.
As for conceilability, my kahr in a crappy Glaco sto-n-go hardly prints at all in jeans and a t-shirt, throw a button up or a light jacket on and it disappears. If you buy something a little higher quality, I'm sure it would vanish even further. Also, last point, the only thing I shoot tighter groups with(hand guns) is my old s/w model 10. With that little 3. Something " barrel, I shoot better than I do with my Springfield 1911, my old xd, my cousins m&p, any glock I ever shot and a beretta 92fs....
But as it was mentioned earlier, it's entirely personal. What fits you the best, what you can shoot the most quickly and accurately and of course reliably.
The only difference between the pm40 and the cm40 is that the pm has the polygonal rifling and laser etched markings. The first, I have no direct or educated opinion on, but (really big but) I have read many opposing opinions as to whether or not polygonal rifling makes any sort of a notable difference in accuracy. And as for the laser etched markings... Who cares? My cw40 is sharp. It just looks good. It doesn't need laser etched emblems etc. it's in my holster unless it's going bang, and in neither case will anyone say "hmmm your firearm looks kinda shabby... You should have gotten the laser etched one..."
The CW40 is the next size up from the cm, so there will be some differences, but, I've put 850 rounds or more through it without any FTF or FTE. The only issue I had was what I mentioned earlier, and that was my own stupid fault. Since replacing that spring, it has worked 110% flawlessly 110% of the time.
As for conceilability, my kahr in a crappy Glaco sto-n-go hardly prints at all in jeans and a t-shirt, throw a button up or a light jacket on and it disappears. If you buy something a little higher quality, I'm sure it would vanish even further. Also, last point, the only thing I shoot tighter groups with(hand guns) is my old s/w model 10. With that little 3. Something " barrel, I shoot better than I do with my Springfield 1911, my old xd, my cousins m&p, any glock I ever shot and a beretta 92fs....
But as it was mentioned earlier, it's entirely personal. What fits you the best, what you can shoot the most quickly and accurately and of course reliably.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
Additionally, the PMs have dovetailed sights front/rear vs the CM/CW dovetail rear sight only. The PM is therefo easiest to find/fit custom sights on.
Polygonal rifling... I don't know about accuracy, nor do I care. A pocket-9 doesn't need need Nighthawk 1911 accuracy. I can say that my PM9 consistently gets ~75-100fps better velocity (across several types of ammo) than my friend's conventially-rifled CM9.
The PMs are also a but more "melted" than CMs.
If I had gone out specifically to buy a Kahr, I don't know I would have wanted to shell out the extra cash for the PM... ...however, I picked mine up on a whim, in exactly the configuration I like best - all black, tru dot sights. I gave $500 and thought I did ok.
My PM9 is my best friend. We're inseparable. It's an easy gun to love.
Additionally, the PMs have dovetailed sights front/rear vs the CM/CW dovetail rear sight only. The PM is therefo easiest to find/fit custom sights on.
Polygonal rifling... I don't know about accuracy, nor do I care. A pocket-9 doesn't need need Nighthawk 1911 accuracy. I can say that my PM9 consistently gets ~75-100fps better velocity (across several types of ammo) than my friend's conventially-rifled CM9.
The PMs are also a but more "melted" than CMs.
If I had gone out specifically to buy a Kahr, I don't know I would have wanted to shell out the extra cash for the PM... ...however, I picked mine up on a whim, in exactly the configuration I like best - all black, tru dot sights. I gave $500 and thought I did ok.
My PM9 is my best friend. We're inseparable. It's an easy gun to love.
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I would definitely go with the PPS. Small, light, and a good shooter. What more could you ask for?
I would definitely go with the PPS. Small, light, and a good shooter. What more could you ask for?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuaSponte175</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would definitely go with the PPS. Small, light, and a good shooter. What more could you ask for? </div></div>
I could, and do, ask for something smaller. If it doesn't fit in a "normal" pocket - with room for my hand to realistically reach in to get it, it might as well be a fullsize pistol with much better capacity because I'll be carrying on my belt, or in a shoulder rig.
To me, the beauty of the micro-9s is being able to stick it in the pocket. Effortless concealment, super easy to arm yourself when you're walking out the door and realize you don't have your pistol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuaSponte175</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would definitely go with the PPS. Small, light, and a good shooter. What more could you ask for? </div></div>
I could, and do, ask for something smaller. If it doesn't fit in a "normal" pocket - with room for my hand to realistically reach in to get it, it might as well be a fullsize pistol with much better capacity because I'll be carrying on my belt, or in a shoulder rig.
To me, the beauty of the micro-9s is being able to stick it in the pocket. Effortless concealment, super easy to arm yourself when you're walking out the door and realize you don't have your pistol.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullseyelr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure which to get for a CCP. Had the XD40 sc and was a little "boxy" for me and I was thinking the Xd 45-s. I like how thin the CM40 and Xd 45-s is. I heard bad reviews on the Kahr CM and PM series. I have always wanted to try a Glock 27. I also like how thin the Walther PPS is but I know nothing about them. What do you all think about any of these? I want as thin as I can get, NOT lose capacity in the mag, nice concealable size, and reliability....easy to carry. I want to stay with .40 cal but I am willing to go to .45 to try the XD-s .45. Thanks for your help. </div></div>
I can't believe no one has mentioned the S&W M&P!!! The M&P is narrower than ALL of the above listed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bullseyelr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure which to get for a CCP. Had the XD40 sc and was a little "boxy" for me and I was thinking the Xd 45-s. I like how thin the CM40 and Xd 45-s is. I heard bad reviews on the Kahr CM and PM series. I have always wanted to try a Glock 27. I also like how thin the Walther PPS is but I know nothing about them. What do you all think about any of these? I want as thin as I can get, NOT lose capacity in the mag, nice concealable size, and reliability....easy to carry. I want to stay with .40 cal but I am willing to go to .45 to try the XD-s .45. Thanks for your help. </div></div>
I can't believe no one has mentioned the S&W M&P!!! The M&P is narrower than ALL of the above listed.
Re: Glock, Kahr, XD, Walther .40 cal for CCP?
There is no way that the m&p is thinner than the kahr, the pps, or the xds. The only one on the list that I haven't handled is the xds. And it has the same width as the kahr, which I have shot side by side with an m&p. It's much thinner. And the pps is .03" thinner.
There is no way that the m&p is thinner than the kahr, the pps, or the xds. The only one on the list that I haven't handled is the xds. And it has the same width as the kahr, which I have shot side by side with an m&p. It's much thinner. And the pps is .03" thinner.
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Are you really going to nit pick a couple .01's of an inch on the with of a pistol? The M&P, PPS, and CM40 all range from .91" to .95". Magazine capacity I could see.
All the pistols mentioned are great and affordable. It really comes down to personal prefrence.
Go to a gun shop, feel them in your hand and squeeze the trigger a couple times, stick it in your waistband to see how it conceals. Get the one that feels the best to you.
And the M&P Sheild was mentioned already.
Are you really going to nit pick a couple .01's of an inch on the with of a pistol? The M&P, PPS, and CM40 all range from .91" to .95". Magazine capacity I could see.
All the pistols mentioned are great and affordable. It really comes down to personal prefrence.
Go to a gun shop, feel them in your hand and squeeze the trigger a couple times, stick it in your waistband to see how it conceals. Get the one that feels the best to you.
And the M&P Sheild was mentioned already.
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Oh the shield? I thought the reference was to the standard m&p. Sorry to seem ridiculous.
Oh the shield? I thought the reference was to the standard m&p. Sorry to seem ridiculous.
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