I have been looking at the 3.2-17x44 tpal. I keep going back and forth between the Mil scale GAP reticle and the Gen II XR reticle. Can anyone tell me how "usable/useful" the Gen II XR is at the 3.2 magnification setting?
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Never used the Gen2XR in a USO.. but Ive used a Mil GAP in them for years and it is by far my favorite reticle.
At 3.2 you are going to use a bit of usefulness in a reticle. My question would be, what do you need to be able to do at 3.2?
Never used the Gen2XR in a USO.. but Ive used a Mil GAP in them for years and it is by far my favorite reticle.
At 3.2 you are going to use a bit of usefulness in a reticle. My question would be, what do you need to be able to do at 3.2?
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I would check out the CAPRC reticle as well. It a nice mis of the GAP and Gen 2 reticles
I would check out the CAPRC reticle as well. It a nice mis of the GAP and Gen 2 reticles
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Wider field of view.... This will be my one scope. Which means I will be using it for hunting also.
Wider field of view.... This will be my one scope. Which means I will be using it for hunting also.
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Mil MPR is all I run (and we have a few GAP converts using them now in our club). Have found myself at 3.8 at various stages in matches and its usable. Not a lot of holding over done at that end of the range if you think about it, but it is definitely usable there.
GenII XR's a little tough to use down low....
Mil MPR is all I run (and we have a few GAP converts using them now in our club). Have found myself at 3.8 at various stages in matches and its usable. Not a lot of holding over done at that end of the range if you think about it, but it is definitely usable there.
GenII XR's a little tough to use down low....
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Mil gap is all I have ever used.
It works for me so I stuck with it.
Mil gap is all I have ever used.
It works for me so I stuck with it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Naish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been looking at the 3.2-17x44 tpal. I keep going back and forth between the Mil scale GAP reticle and the Gen II XR reticle. Can anyone tell me how "usable/useful" the Gen II XR is at the 3.2 magnification setting?</div></div>
I've never used an SN-3 with the Gen 2 XR reticle, but I've looked through several Gen 2 XR-equipped 3.2X-17X44mm T-PALs' and 3.2-17X44mm ERGOs down at the USO facility. Part of it is no doubt my old eyes, but at 3.2X the Gen 2 XR is really too fine and small to be used effectively. Actually, to me (and alot of others here) even the 5X is too small to be easily seen and used. I own three PMII 5-25X[56mm] Gen 2 XR-equipped scopes and even in daylight I rarely dial as low as 8X. Dependng upon the distance I'll usually shoot and spot between 12X and 25X.
I owned and used a 35mm maintube 3.2-17X44mm ERGO Lo Profile for a couple of years. It was configured with the 0.1 MIL EREK, LH US#3 M40 Windage, and Red Illuminated GAP Reticle. The GAP reticle is clean and clutter-free, and the main lines are fine enough to quarter a 1/2 MOA target at 1,000 yards. It would be nice if the GAP had the MIL next to the four "posts" at <span style="font-style: italic">"12"</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">"3"</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">"6"</span>, and <span style="font-style: italic">"9"</span> broken down into 0.1 MIL or 0.2 MIL increments, but the GAP Reticle is still my favorite MIL-based USO reticle.
Keith
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Naish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been looking at the 3.2-17x44 tpal. I keep going back and forth between the Mil scale GAP reticle and the Gen II XR reticle. Can anyone tell me how "usable/useful" the Gen II XR is at the 3.2 magnification setting?</div></div>
I've never used an SN-3 with the Gen 2 XR reticle, but I've looked through several Gen 2 XR-equipped 3.2X-17X44mm T-PALs' and 3.2-17X44mm ERGOs down at the USO facility. Part of it is no doubt my old eyes, but at 3.2X the Gen 2 XR is really too fine and small to be used effectively. Actually, to me (and alot of others here) even the 5X is too small to be easily seen and used. I own three PMII 5-25X[56mm] Gen 2 XR-equipped scopes and even in daylight I rarely dial as low as 8X. Dependng upon the distance I'll usually shoot and spot between 12X and 25X.
I owned and used a 35mm maintube 3.2-17X44mm ERGO Lo Profile for a couple of years. It was configured with the 0.1 MIL EREK, LH US#3 M40 Windage, and Red Illuminated GAP Reticle. The GAP reticle is clean and clutter-free, and the main lines are fine enough to quarter a 1/2 MOA target at 1,000 yards. It would be nice if the GAP had the MIL next to the four "posts" at <span style="font-style: italic">"12"</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">"3"</span>, <span style="font-style: italic">"6"</span>, and <span style="font-style: italic">"9"</span> broken down into 0.1 MIL or 0.2 MIL increments, but the GAP Reticle is still my favorite MIL-based USO reticle.
Keith
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for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value and everything in between is 1/2 value...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value and everything in between is 1/2 value...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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I like the Gen 2 XR over anything else. Its great for long range shooting. If your going to shoot alot at 3.2 power, its not worth it. But if your going from 8 power up to 17 power, and stay in that range most of the time, the gen 2 XR is a great ret. I love mine on my 5-25 Tpal
I like the Gen 2 XR over anything else. Its great for long range shooting. If your going to shoot alot at 3.2 power, its not worth it. But if your going from 8 power up to 17 power, and stay in that range most of the time, the gen 2 XR is a great ret. I love mine on my 5-25 Tpal
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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Yeah, okay.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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A FFP is really good for holding off for wind and movers since it won't matter what magnification you are on, the FFP reticle is always true.
A FFP is really good for holding off for wind and movers since it won't matter what magnification you are on, the FFP reticle is always true.
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USO MPR is my favorite reticle because the distances between the hashes and their widths are more intuitive to me. It is fairly easy to mil within 0.1 with this reticle. The different width lines also help with wind holdovers. I like the numbering to avoid confusion or “brain freeze” in the fog of stress.
The other reticles I’ve used are Gen 2XR, Horus H58, Hours H37, S&B P4F, NF NP-R1, NF NP-R2, NF MLR, NF velocity, mildots, and a few others.
I’m in the process of switching all my LR scopes to USO MPR scopes.
USO MPR is my favorite reticle because the distances between the hashes and their widths are more intuitive to me. It is fairly easy to mil within 0.1 with this reticle. The different width lines also help with wind holdovers. I like the numbering to avoid confusion or “brain freeze” in the fog of stress.
The other reticles I’ve used are Gen 2XR, Horus H58, Hours H37, S&B P4F, NF NP-R1, NF NP-R2, NF MLR, NF velocity, mildots, and a few others.
I’m in the process of switching all my LR scopes to USO MPR scopes.
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The scope will mainly be used for long range shooting, but as I'm not made of money it will have to be used in other roles as well... which includes hunting. Thanks for the help.
The scope will mainly be used for long range shooting, but as I'm not made of money it will have to be used in other roles as well... which includes hunting. Thanks for the help.
Re: US Optics reticle question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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Yeah, okay.....
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Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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Yeah, okay.....
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Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot.
Re: US Optics reticle question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot. </div></div>
Crap yes my bad that is what I meant! But agree for milling Ffp is a huge advantage I was (doing a poor job at it haha) just saying it isn't needed if its main purpose is for hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot. </div></div>
Crap yes my bad that is what I meant! But agree for milling Ffp is a huge advantage I was (doing a poor job at it haha) just saying it isn't needed if its main purpose is for hunting
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I have a USO 5-25 Tpal w/ a GAP reticle and a PR 5-15 Light Tactical with the Gen II XR. The GAP reticle is great - very clean and uncluttered. If shooting under higher stress situations I would give the edge to the GAP. Also, on lower magnification the GAP seems to be easier to pick up.
But the XR is really nice too. If you don't dial for wind, the XR is especially awesome for windage hold-off's. I love them both so I keep one of each.
I have a USO 5-25 Tpal w/ a GAP reticle and a PR 5-15 Light Tactical with the Gen II XR. The GAP reticle is great - very clean and uncluttered. If shooting under higher stress situations I would give the edge to the GAP. Also, on lower magnification the GAP seems to be easier to pick up.
But the XR is really nice too. If you don't dial for wind, the XR is especially awesome for windage hold-off's. I love them both so I keep one of each.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot. </div></div>
Crap yes my bad that is what I meant! But agree for milling Ffp is a huge advantage I was (doing a poor job at it haha) just saying it isn't needed if its main purpose is for hunting </div></div>
FFP is not only useful for milling, it's also easier to make quick follow up shots. When you shoot, and you're driving the rifle correctly you see your miss was .5 mil left and .3 mil high. You can dial the correction, or adjust your hold, which would be .5 right and .3 under, let it fly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
You have it backwards, if you're on 11 power with a NF, then you doubled the value.
On 11 power a 1/2 mil = 1 Mil.
Confusion... Another reason to go FFP and don't worry about doing math. Just point and shoot. </div></div>
Crap yes my bad that is what I meant! But agree for milling Ffp is a huge advantage I was (doing a poor job at it haha) just saying it isn't needed if its main purpose is for hunting </div></div>
FFP is not only useful for milling, it's also easier to make quick follow up shots. When you shoot, and you're driving the rifle correctly you see your miss was .5 mil left and .3 mil high. You can dial the correction, or adjust your hold, which would be .5 right and .3 under, let it fly.
Re: US Optics reticle question.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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Yeah, okay.....
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Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
Yeah, okay.....
Well I guess I better get rid of the FFP scope on my hunting rifle.
Quick question; How much time have you spent using an FFP scope? Or are you regurgitating shit you have read on the internet?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 25MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for some hunting (runnign animals or in cover) and competition timed scenarios you will dial down your scope to powers you don't typically for the reason of better field of view. In those cases its usually 400 yds and under for comps and in hunting scenarios its 200 yds and under from my experience anyway.
But if this is MAINLY a hunting scope I wouldn't even bother with FFP. Just stick with a second focal plane to where you can dial down for better field of view and still have full use of your reticle.
<span style="color: #FF0000">Reallly only true advantage to a FFP scopes is when milling targets since the true value of the reticle never changes regardless of the power you are on to where using a SFP scope to mil you have to understand at what power equals full value <span style="font-weight: bold">and everything in between is 1/2 value</span></span>...i know guys who shoot SFP scopes in competitions and do just as good as the guys who use FFP.
If my scope was a dual purpose hunting/comp scope I would go mostly go with a NF 5.5-22...all my hunting scopes are Second Focal plane. FFP scopes work just fine but cost a lot more and in hunting there is no true advantage.
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Yeah, okay.....
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Not sure what is so wrong with what I wrote...I was just using an example of like a NF 5.5-22 to where your reticle is only full value on 22 power and at 11 power 1/2 I see I wrote that somewhat wrong but it was more the point that in a hunting scenario FFP doesn't have any advantage</div></div>
Yeah, okay.....
Well I guess I better get rid of the FFP scope on my hunting rifle.
Quick question; How much time have you spent using an FFP scope? Or are you regurgitating shit you have read on the internet?
