i picked up two excellent condition nagant one im leaving the way it is and the other im going to add a stock and some kind of optics, so i would like to hear from the guys who have done different stuff to their nagants,what is the best mount option out there and where can i get a good looking stock for it
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Re: nagant 91/30
I'm not a pureist, as I can't leave well enough alone, but I can tell you that I have not seen a <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">MOSIN</span> Nagant </span>yet that looks any better than the stock configuration. Boyds makes a stock, and I believe there are Monty Carlo stocks out there for the MOSIN Nagant, but they just do not do the rifle justice.
Did you have a design in mind?
The Nagant is a pistol by the way.
I'm not a pureist, as I can't leave well enough alone, but I can tell you that I have not seen a <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">MOSIN</span> Nagant </span>yet that looks any better than the stock configuration. Boyds makes a stock, and I believe there are Monty Carlo stocks out there for the MOSIN Nagant, but they just do not do the rifle justice.
Did you have a design in mind?
The Nagant is a pistol by the way.
Re: nagant 91/30
Well, i'm a mosinitis case, I have 2 91/30s, a Tula hex '34 as it is and a Izhvesk '39 round with an old Burris 4x pistol scope and a S&K scout mount... Both are good shooters, the Izhvesk a very good one, a very decent 220 yds. shooter. The only problem with the Mosins is You ( at least me ) never have enough of them...
Well, i'm a mosinitis case, I have 2 91/30s, a Tula hex '34 as it is and a Izhvesk '39 round with an old Burris 4x pistol scope and a S&K scout mount... Both are good shooters, the Izhvesk a very good one, a very decent 220 yds. shooter. The only problem with the Mosins is You ( at least me ) never have enough of them...
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i picked up two excellent condition nagant one im leaving the way it is and the other im going to add a stock and some kind of optics, so i would like to hear from the guys who have done different stuff to their nagants,what is the best mount option out there and where can i get a good looking stock for it </div></div>
1. The best mounting option is drill and tap mount, but not ATI mount and handle, which is POS.
2. Do not free float the barrel, unless you decide to shorten it to 20"-23". If keeping barrel length in original length, maintain pressure point somewhere between the muzzle and the middle of the barrel.
3. Modify the trigger to reduce trigger pull force, but do not use crazy methods like shimming, bending that flat spring, cutting the firing pin spring and other BS suggestions from primitive minds. You want good trigger - work with sear angles.
4. Any stock will work just fine, assuming that inletting matches receiver.
5. And do not use heavy ball machine gun ammo, like ammo with yellow/silver tip bullets.
Before you do anything, make sure that rifling is strong ( bore is not worn out), otherwise, you'll be wasting your time trying to make MN shoot better than it can.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i picked up two excellent condition nagant one im leaving the way it is and the other im going to add a stock and some kind of optics, so i would like to hear from the guys who have done different stuff to their nagants,what is the best mount option out there and where can i get a good looking stock for it </div></div>
1. The best mounting option is drill and tap mount, but not ATI mount and handle, which is POS.
2. Do not free float the barrel, unless you decide to shorten it to 20"-23". If keeping barrel length in original length, maintain pressure point somewhere between the muzzle and the middle of the barrel.
3. Modify the trigger to reduce trigger pull force, but do not use crazy methods like shimming, bending that flat spring, cutting the firing pin spring and other BS suggestions from primitive minds. You want good trigger - work with sear angles.
4. Any stock will work just fine, assuming that inletting matches receiver.
5. And do not use heavy ball machine gun ammo, like ammo with yellow/silver tip bullets.
Before you do anything, make sure that rifling is strong ( bore is not worn out), otherwise, you'll be wasting your time trying to make MN shoot better than it can.
Re: nagant 91/30
Dont buy anything ATI. It is all junk (scope base, bolt handle, stock etc)
Rock Solid Industries for the scope base and bolt handle.
Boyds makes a Mosin stock, MidwayUSA has them.
Timney Trigger with integral safety
Cut Barrel to 22" (works for me)
Dont buy anything ATI. It is all junk (scope base, bolt handle, stock etc)
Rock Solid Industries for the scope base and bolt handle.
Boyds makes a Mosin stock, MidwayUSA has them.
Timney Trigger with integral safety
Cut Barrel to 22" (works for me)
Re: nagant 91/30
Dave pretty much summed it up, although I do have an ATI on one of my rifles, I had to learn the hard way. Also have Bruce turn your bolt down for you http://www.maxshepherdboltproducts.com/
I was on a MN kick for a few years. They are fun to play with, just dont sink too much money into them.
I have about 8 or 9 of them, here are three that I sporterized
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3109361
The top one in the link is completely reversible, using a Jmeck scope mount.
Dave pretty much summed it up, although I do have an ATI on one of my rifles, I had to learn the hard way. Also have Bruce turn your bolt down for you http://www.maxshepherdboltproducts.com/
I was on a MN kick for a few years. They are fun to play with, just dont sink too much money into them.
I have about 8 or 9 of them, here are three that I sporterized
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3109361
The top one in the link is completely reversible, using a Jmeck scope mount.
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3...pe=1&ref=nf
i hope it worked </div></div>
Okay, that is one kick ass Mosin Nagant... Best I believe I have ever seen for a custom.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3...pe=1&ref=nf
i hope it worked </div></div>
Okay, that is one kick ass Mosin Nagant... Best I believe I have ever seen for a custom.
Re: nagant 91/30
If you cut it down you will have to get another stock. One for the M44. The good thing is you can drop the 91/30 right in to the M44 stock and not have to change anything. Also with a scout setup you do not have to turn the bolt.
The best cut and crown is to have a smith do it. There are other options though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b23lfzpZrJ4
This was you can cut it to 22" see how it shoots then down to 20" if you want.
Just remember that with a short barrel and factory or milsurp your MN will become a flamethrower. If you reload, you can realistically get your rifle to shoot 2 Moa or better.
For a MN you can remove the rear site and clamp on a Leapers 1 piece mount. They are designed for air guns, but do some reading and you will find many folks have used them with great success. Especially if you pin them
Here is what yours may look like with a M44 stock, Leapers and Cheapo NC Star pistol scope 20" bbl
Sight in at 50Y
If you cut it down you will have to get another stock. One for the M44. The good thing is you can drop the 91/30 right in to the M44 stock and not have to change anything. Also with a scout setup you do not have to turn the bolt.
The best cut and crown is to have a smith do it. There are other options though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b23lfzpZrJ4
This was you can cut it to 22" see how it shoots then down to 20" if you want.
Just remember that with a short barrel and factory or milsurp your MN will become a flamethrower. If you reload, you can realistically get your rifle to shoot 2 Moa or better.
For a MN you can remove the rear site and clamp on a Leapers 1 piece mount. They are designed for air guns, but do some reading and you will find many folks have used them with great success. Especially if you pin them
Here is what yours may look like with a M44 stock, Leapers and Cheapo NC Star pistol scope 20" bbl
Sight in at 50Y
Re: nagant 91/30
I paid $5 for the receiver, but threw $20k in engineering hours at it.
It is now worth $100.
I paid $5 for the receiver, but threw $20k in engineering hours at it.
It is now worth $100.
Re: nagant 91/30
The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also.
The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also.
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big_Rig_416</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also. </div></div>. Where can I find both of them to look at them
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big_Rig_416</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also. </div></div>. Where can I find both of them to look at them
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big_Rig_416</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also. </div></div>. Where can I find both of them to look at them
</div></div>
There is this pretty bitchen search engine called Google...
http://www.rocksolidind.com/mosin-nagant.html
http://brassstacker.com/mosin-nagant/
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Big_Rig_416</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The rock solid is the best, But i have heard good things about the "brass stacker" mount also. </div></div>. Where can I find both of them to look at them
</div></div>
There is this pretty bitchen search engine called Google...
http://www.rocksolidind.com/mosin-nagant.html
http://brassstacker.com/mosin-nagant/
Re: nagant 91/30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEyS9Q_u10I&feature=plcp
I have made and modified some Mosin Nagant scope mounts.
I made the above video showing some of them.
I think the ATI scope and bolt mod suck, but the ATI scope mount is the best bang for the buck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEyS9Q_u10I&feature=plcp
I have made and modified some Mosin Nagant scope mounts.
I made the above video showing some of them.
I think the ATI scope and bolt mod suck, but the ATI scope mount is the best bang for the buck.
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but the ATI scope mount is the best bang for the buck.</div></div>
If you dont mind a flimsy piece of crap, then yes.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but the ATI scope mount is the best bang for the buck.</div></div>
If you dont mind a flimsy piece of crap, then yes.
Re: nagant 91/30
I was milling out AR15 risers and I found I needed height to get stiffness or the reticule would shake out of the scope.
Then I started TIG welding steel rings.
Then I did a combination of Aluminum and steel hogged out to Picatinny specs.
Finally, the ATI did it all, and was cheap.
I was milling out AR15 risers and I found I needed height to get stiffness or the reticule would shake out of the scope.
Then I started TIG welding steel rings.
Then I did a combination of Aluminum and steel hogged out to Picatinny specs.
Finally, the ATI did it all, and was cheap.
Re: nagant 91/30
Buy a scope and mount from Accumounts and have someone mount it properly. I found two Mosins that shot well and scoped on with the PU and the other with a PE scope set up.
http://www.accumounts.com/
Buy a scope and mount from Accumounts and have someone mount it properly. I found two Mosins that shot well and scoped on with the PU and the other with a PE scope set up.
http://www.accumounts.com/
Re: nagant 91/30
CBRPS makes a modernized stock for the mosin. They apparently have a few more in development as well. http://www.cbrps.com/Products.html
CBRPS makes a modernized stock for the mosin. They apparently have a few more in development as well. http://www.cbrps.com/Products.html
Re: nagant 91/30
man those look great. I really like the leather covers on the lens, reminds me of my grandpas old zeiss monoculars.
man those look great. I really like the leather covers on the lens, reminds me of my grandpas old zeiss monoculars.
Re: nagant 91/30
This one I put a Boyd's stock on and an ATI mount with a 3rd mounting hole
This drawing shows where I put the 3rd hole in the ATI, because I pull the barrel to drill and tap.
I calculate female thread yield at 28 inch pounds, have verified that with similar soft steel 0.1" thick.
I recommend 20 inch pounds and shortened Unbrako Socket Head Cap Screws 10-32 x 5/8
This one I put a Boyd's stock on and an ATI mount with a 3rd mounting hole
This drawing shows where I put the 3rd hole in the ATI, because I pull the barrel to drill and tap.
I calculate female thread yield at 28 inch pounds, have verified that with similar soft steel 0.1" thick.
I recommend 20 inch pounds and shortened Unbrako Socket Head Cap Screws 10-32 x 5/8
Re: nagant 91/30
I also think the ATI scope mount is the only thing they make thats worth a flip and have used them on several rifles. However being a lazy person I dont find it necessarey to drill a 3rd hole in them. When I do one I change out the slotted screws for socket head so you can get some torque on them. I also bed the mount with epoxy (jb weld, loctite marine, etc.) then loctite the screws. Havent had one shoot loose yet. I can see where 3 screws would do the trick too if you're industrious lol.
I also think the ATI scope mount is the only thing they make thats worth a flip and have used them on several rifles. However being a lazy person I dont find it necessarey to drill a 3rd hole in them. When I do one I change out the slotted screws for socket head so you can get some torque on them. I also bed the mount with epoxy (jb weld, loctite marine, etc.) then loctite the screws. Havent had one shoot loose yet. I can see where 3 screws would do the trick too if you're industrious lol.
Re: nagant 91/30
ric44, they hand out engineering degrees like toilet paper, but I am guessing you were born with mechanical reasoning.
ric44, they hand out engineering degrees like toilet paper, but I am guessing you were born with mechanical reasoning.
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ric44, they hand out engineering degrees like toilet paper, but I am guessing you were born with mechanical reasoning. </div></div>
No formal training (college ed) here just a want and willingness to learn and an inborn desire since youth to takes things apart just so I could put them back together lol. Good call Clark.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ric44, they hand out engineering degrees like toilet paper, but I am guessing you were born with mechanical reasoning. </div></div>
No formal training (college ed) here just a want and willingness to learn and an inborn desire since youth to takes things apart just so I could put them back together lol. Good call Clark.
Re: nagant 91/30
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">anyone use a pu scope on a mosin nagant how hard is it to install and use all the vids i seen looks like instead of a cheek weld its a chin weld </div></div>
It really depends on the size and shape of your head, but it's not a traditional cheek weld like you would be used to on modern precision rifles, where you have the scope as close to the bore as possible. Personally, I don't think it's as bad as people make it sound, but that could be because I'm just used to shooting them. I do find that I get a more solid weld with my jaw opened slightly, so the top of the butt is about even with my top teeth. This forms a nice little pocket of sorts to nestle the butt into. That's just me, though. YMMV.
John
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">anyone use a pu scope on a mosin nagant how hard is it to install and use all the vids i seen looks like instead of a cheek weld its a chin weld </div></div>
It really depends on the size and shape of your head, but it's not a traditional cheek weld like you would be used to on modern precision rifles, where you have the scope as close to the bore as possible. Personally, I don't think it's as bad as people make it sound, but that could be because I'm just used to shooting them. I do find that I get a more solid weld with my jaw opened slightly, so the top of the butt is about even with my top teeth. This forms a nice little pocket of sorts to nestle the butt into. That's just me, though. YMMV.
John
Re: nagant 91/30
Yeah its chin for me too but to be accurate with the rifle the hold has to be repeatable. The longer the shot the more important this is. Ive found as others have that as you look thru the PU scope there will be a ghost of an image toward the bottom of the field of view. This is the front sight post of the rifle. If you pay attention and split this image with the scope's vertical post then you have effectively put the scope and the rifle barrel on the same vertical plane and with a good chinweld you will be surprised what the old mosin snipers will do........and how FAR they will do it.
Yeah its chin for me too but to be accurate with the rifle the hold has to be repeatable. The longer the shot the more important this is. Ive found as others have that as you look thru the PU scope there will be a ghost of an image toward the bottom of the field of view. This is the front sight post of the rifle. If you pay attention and split this image with the scope's vertical post then you have effectively put the scope and the rifle barrel on the same vertical plane and with a good chinweld you will be surprised what the old mosin snipers will do........and how FAR they will do it.
