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What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

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I have a nail driving 308 setup in a AICS 2.0 and a M2008 Action. Very pleased with its performance. I have the itch to build something new. Can someone "sell" me on the idea of a 6.5 Creedmore? I do not now much about the caliber, but I know there is a lot of talk about the caliber. Is having a "high end" .308 and 6.5 CM worth it, or am I just going to have another rifle that can perform the same with more expensive brass?

I am trying to steer away from 338 lapua for 3 reasons.
1. I have a AICS AX SA stock I want to use
2. Cost of reloading
3. Dont have anywhere local to shoot past 500 yds, even though i wish i did.

what does everyone think? is it a waste to build a 6.5?
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

Take the .308, shoot some matches, then decide for yourself.
 
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if you are already loading 30 cal how about 300 WSM on the SA AX - to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308</div></div>

In what way exactly?
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you are already loading 30 cal how about 300 WSM on the SA AX - to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308 </div></div>

im not against that. What are the advantages of 300 wsm over 308. I assume i would get a higher velocity and potentially heavier bullets making it more "wind resistant"?
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308</div></div>

In what way exactly?</div></div>

I'd like to know my self because I ran mere 500rnds of 6.5 and there and the only thing they have in common is, they are both a short action........

6.5 kills .308 on performance hands down, numbers don't lie
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

I shoot a lot of 308 and I really like that caliber.
I recently bought a 6.5CM barrel for a Savage, and have been very impressed with it. On days that are windy (just about every day!) I struggle getting the 308 to hit steel consistently past about 700 yds. The 6.5CM rocks in the wind! Last outing I was hitting steel at 850 (14" plate) with relative ease while my 308 was mediocre at best. The gusting winds frustrate me at longer shots! In terms of recoil they are pretty similar to me, with the 6.5 CM being a touch less.
I really like the 6.5CM a lot for the longer range stuff. At about $23/box of factory hornady 140 amax it is relatively cheap to shoot.
I still like the 308, and great deals can be found on bullets and brass. And barrel life can't be beat.
Tough to sell you on a new 6.5 CM especially if you have an accurate 308 and are keeping shots less than 500 yds, but I do like the CM more than the 308.
Good luck with your decision.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

SingleShot85 6.5 kills .308 on performance hands down said:
im not trying to single you out cause everyone says the same thing. but i have yet to find an answer to WHY?
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Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you are already loading 30 cal how about 300 WSM on the SA AX - to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308 </div></div>

im not against that. What are the advantages of 300 wsm over 308. I assume i would get a higher velocity and potentially heavier bullets making it more "wind resistant"? </div></div>

Maybe he meant the 300wsm and 6.5 were too close to call and just typed 308 instead...
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Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

One more is that you don't have to hand load. The factory Hornady ammo with the 140 AMAX bullets work awesome, and at about $24.00 for 20 it's really hard to beat. Don't need to cover performance, as it's been covered above already. I have both, but when it really needs to count, I go to the Creedmore.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308</div></div>

In what way exactly? </div></div>

they both deliver similar energy and would be used the same - if you are gaming matches than absolutely the 7's and 6.5's have advantages - but the OP said nothing about matches - if you build a 6.5 and love it there would be no reason to keep the 308 - the 300 WSM mag is enough difference to have both and like I originally said, use some of the reloading components the OP already has
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

Look into the 7mm Creedmoor... I'll take a 162amax at 2850 or 2900fps over a 142smk, 139 Scenar or 140amax at the same speed ANY day.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308</div></div>

In what way exactly? </div></div>

they both deliver similar energy and would be used the same - if you are gaming matches than absolutely the 7's and 6.5's have advantages - but the OP said nothing about matches - if you build a 6.5 and love it there would be no reason to keep the 308 - the 300 WSM mag is enough difference to have both and like I originally said, use some of the reloading components the OP already has</div></div>

Why would you recommend a 300wsm if the OP can only shoot to 500 yards? That is crazy. OP, if you can only shoot out to 500 yards you are not going to see much of a difference. Who needs a sound reason to build another gun though? If you want another one build what you want. The 6.5CM is a great round and will outperform the .308 in trajectory and fighting the wind.

300wsm will outperform both at the cost of shorter barrel life, higher ammo cost, and shooter fatigue(unless you install a good break or suppressor).
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mtnhntr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">6.5 performance Gotta love it.


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What about the other two shots?
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Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

How does recoil of 300 WSM compare TO 300 MAG? I ASK because I have a remington 5r in 300 win mag and it destroys my shoulder
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
SingleShot85 6.5 kills .308 on performance hands down said:
no prob here is one example

I have a load for .308, 155 lapua at 2900 and it matches the drop of my 6.5cm running a mild 2740 but the 6.5 kills it w/ respect to wind.

I am constantly over estimating my wind calls cuz of what i had to use w the .308.

out to about 500 almost every gun is the same more or less so it really doesn't matter which one you go with.

And as it goes I have a .300wsm smoking a 185 berger at 3K and for killing at 600+ I would go w/ this hands down but I hate to have to shoot 100 rounds a day.....that's just tooo much pounding just to smack steal, just my 2 cents
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Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if you are already loading 30 cal how about 300 WSM on the SA AX - to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308 </div></div>

im not against that. What are the advantages of 300 wsm over 308. I assume i would get a higher velocity and potentially heavier bullets making it more "wind resistant"? </div></div>

300 WSM is practical with 308 projectiles as heavy as they go, cost for reloading is only about 50% higher than for 308, is practical for hunting anything around and is about as much rifle as anyone would want to shoot much without a brake - with a brake not much more kick than the 308 - barrel life is better than hotter magnums or those with smaller caliber - all around a good "balance" and enough of a difference from the 308 to have a reason to have both

the 6.5 creed, 6.5 lapua and 260 are all great chamberings, but like I said above, they would make more sense as a replacement for the 308 instead of an addition

BTW, there are a lot of nice 260's in the for sale section - an opportunity to make some offers and get a deal
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does recoil of 300 WSM compare TO 300 MAG? I ASK because I have a remington 5r in 300 win mag and it destroys my shoulder </div></div>

to me the short mags are the upper limit for any volume shooting without a brake - I also modify my stocks to raise the recoil pad so it bears on the shoulder muscle instead of the collar bone in prone, this helps also
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

If I had to shoot 20 rounds out of my 300WSm (Kimber MT) or my dads 300WM Howa, I'd shoot the Howa. My WSM kicks hard. (180gr Accubonds.) The 300Wm with 180 silvertips (Old school not the new plastic ones) is way easier on your shoulder, but its like 4 lbs heavier...
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Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to me the 6.5 creed is too similar to 308</div></div>

In what way exactly? </div></div>

they both deliver similar energy and would be used the same - if you are gaming matches than absolutely the 7's and 6.5's have advantages - but the OP said nothing about matches - if you build a 6.5 and love it there would be no reason to keep the 308 - the 300 WSM mag is enough difference to have both and like I originally said, use some of the reloading components the OP already has</div></div>

When did I or the OP say anything about matches? The Creedmoor is better ballistically in the wind and elevation due to the bullet BC and velocity you can drive them at than the .308. Energy might be the same but that's it.

I have both a .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor and don't think they are the same at all. I use them for different purposes.

The 300WSM uses .30 bullets like the .308. Ok. Different brass, powder and primers. He will be spending more to get the same ballistics using the 300WSM than the 6.5 Creedmoor in more powder and also recoil.
 
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why don't you just go ahead and stick with your .308. i don't need another guy hoggin up components for the creedmoor.....
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i </div></div>

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I have both a .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor and don't think they are the same at all. I use them for different purposes.
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so what to you is the logical use for each that makes them different/ a use for each in the context of the original question
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

If needing a flatter shooting round for UKD that is better in the wind then the 6.5 Creedmoor comes out of the safe. If I am shooting with little wind at KD then the .308 is used.

For the OP all he has to really do is get a new 6.5 Creedmoor barrel spun on his Badger action and he can have a switch barrel. Simple with that action. Will cost less than a full build too.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

George, the nice thing about the 308 is how damn long the barrel lasts, which makes for a nice square-range training rifle.

If you're going to take a class where you're going to fire 300 rounds, you're going to shoot an F-class match, or you're going to the square range to hammer some dot drills or something, you can bring your 308, put a bunch of rounds through it and not think twice (other than ammo cost).

With the 6's and 6.5's, the you can toast a barrel in fairly short order shooting them routinely...at least the way I do. A 308 will last me about 3 years, so if I didn't own one, and only had a 6.5, I'd be rebarreling the 6.5 every year.

Another reason to have "both" is you pretty much HAVE to have 2 rifles if you're at all serious about shooting. That is because you'll be without your rifle for somewhere between 2 and 8 months when it goes off for a new barrel. If you don't have a second rifle, that's a LONG FUCKING TIME to not shoot!

Still another reason is hunting. Don't get me wrong, the 6.5's are certainly capable of taking game, but I prefer a 180gr 308 for most game, over a ~130ish 6.5.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Another reason to have "both" is you pretty much HAVE to have 2 rifles if you're at all serious about shooting. That is because you'll be without your rifle for somewhere between 2 and 8 months when it goes off for a new barrel. If you don't have a second rifle, that's a LONG FUCKING TIME to not shoot!
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Im fortunate enough to be cutting all of my own barrels on my own lathe so no long wait for me. But im liking your other reasonings
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Another reason to have "both" is you pretty much HAVE to have 2 rifles if you're at all serious about shooting. That is because you'll be without your rifle for somewhere between 2 and 8 months when it goes off for a new barrel. If you don't have a second rifle, that's a LONG FUCKING TIME to not shoot!
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Im fortunate enough to be cutting all of my own barrels on my own lathe so no long wait for me. But im liking your other reasonings </div></div>

Seriously though, go with a 7mm. Better ballistics and better barrel life than the 6.5's, though at the expense of a bit more recoil.

The 7mm GPC/7mm SAC/7mm Creedmoor is a helluva cartridge.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mioduz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Another reason to have "both" is you pretty much HAVE to have 2 rifles if you're at all serious about shooting. That is because you'll be without your rifle for somewhere between 2 and 8 months when it goes off for a new barrel. If you don't have a second rifle, that's a LONG FUCKING TIME to not shoot!
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Im fortunate enough to be cutting all of my own barrels on my own lathe so no long wait for me. But im liking your other reasonings </div></div>


Seriously though, go with a 7mm. Better ballistics and better barrel life than the 6.5's, though at the expense of a bit more recoil.

The 7mm GPC/7mm SAC/7mm Creedmoor is a helluva cartridge. </div></div>

Does the 7mm really have better barrel life? I thought they are barrel burners?
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Does the 7mm really have better barrel life? I thought they are barrel burners?</div></div>

In a magnum i'd say so but in a 7-08 or a 7 creedmoor/SAC it should be longer then a 6.5 which is longer then a 6.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

6.5 Creedmoor has similar dope as a 300 win mag, but with less recoil than a 308win. Hornandy loaded ammo is excellent and reasonably priced. 6.5 cm also shoots well out of a semi-auto AR10 platform.
 
Re: What next? Sell me on a 6.5 CM

Had a CM built and also have a 308 that is very accurate. The CM has started a buzz at our range due to accuracy, range and low recoil. If I had the capability to build my own, definitely I'd have both. Love my CREEDMOOR.
 
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