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Texas Constable--Nice Shot!

Re: Texas Constable--Nice Shot!

This is a mixed bag of conerns on this incident because it goes against all prior training given to LEO's. We are taught RELIGOUSLY that in deadly force situations, you are to deploy tactics that have the greatest chance of stopping the threat.

That usually means using firearms towards the threat. When using a firearm, you are to aim at either the Cranial Vault or the Center Mass of the upper body. Mainly, because these two locations will provide the best chance at stopping or severely restricting the threat.

When you take the chance of shooting at a hand or a object in a hand, (which can be moved by the suspect) you risk the chance of missing, thus creating multiple problems.....First, you just lost your tactical advantage, probably scared the crap out of other surrounding Officers, & gave the suspect a reason to return fire!

The other problem.....where did your missed bullet go...? Did it skip off a wall, ricochet off the ground, hit another Officer, an innocent child or citizen in the background...? You just attached a shit load of liability on yourself, because you just violated every single deadly force training lesson you ever got.....

Now try convincing your other less experienced LEO's in your Dept., that they shouldn't also do this......because you just did, & now your a hero....

The other part of me thinks....."If your good enough & confident enough to do this without having to take a life, then good job!"
 
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There was a video a while back where the cop shot a gun out of a man's hand that caused all sorts of negitive responses.

You you have "prefered" shots to take depending on the situation, but if a cop manages to pull off a shot resulting solving the problem without anyone getting hurt, the more power to him.

Its not what is the spot to shoot a bandit, its about getting the job done, as occured in this case and the past vedio.

It's about one's confidence it his ability, and confidence in his equipment.

Without going into details while a LE Shooter, I made a shot some thought was "questionable". I was asked "what if I had missed" I responded "if I thought I COULD miss, I wouldn't have shot" End of Story as far as the Chief was concerned.
 
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LoL, sounds like a bad shot gone good!!!!!

Kraig, well done, that's exactly what I would have said!!

Having been a LE instructor for many years I can remember quite a few hand shots during qualifications
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Re: Texas Constable--Nice Shot!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tactically: Bad idea. Legally: Bad idea. According to policy: Bad idea. It makes one wonder who and why anyone in a position of authority would ever authorize or attempt that. </div></div>

Absolutely agree. That officer applied deadly force, regardless of his intent, and has opened himself up to an excessive force lawsuit. I find it difficult to believe that a judge or jury anywhere in this country would consider the officer's actions as being reasonable. Reasonable is the standard.

Maybe a couple million awarded to the suicidal person will help them out of their slump.

Foolish.
 
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This also reinforces the viewpoint of the opinionated but inexperienced, who, every time there is a shooting, brightly say "But couldn't you have just grazed him? Or shot him in the leg?"
 
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Iagree on this as well, not the best idea...
 
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Having been a law enforcement firearms instructor, I agree with all the previous postings about taking the shot with the greatest percentage of ending the scenario.

However, I doubt that many people will argue that it would have been better to have killed the man than to shoot the gun out of his hand. I also doubt that many lawsuits that seek money because the police DIDN'T kill him would be successful.
 
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I can see everyone's point on this one. My thinking is: That guy is trying to commit suicide by cop. Shoot him in the head - he wins, but it would be the fastest way to end things.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Unknown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having been a law enforcement firearms instructor, I agree with all the previous postings about taking the shot with the greatest percentage of ending the scenario.

However, I doubt that many people will argue that it would have been better to have killed the man than to shoot the gun out of his hand. I also doubt that many lawsuits that seek money because the police DIDN'T kill him would be successful. </div></div>

Then you should know that the lawsuits that will stem from an innocent bystander either hurt or killed by the missed/ricochet bullet fired from the LEO, won't center on the fact of "killing the man is better", but rather focus on the fact that the LEO completely disregarded his training and made a negligent decision.

Remember, Qualified Immunity is hard to get once you as an Officer step outside the boundries of your past/accepted training & attempt something that you have already been trained NOT TO DO.....

Just saying....
 
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If you don't follow policy no matter what the outcome is and you get sewed, most departments will drop you in a heartbeat. Now, If you're following orders, you may have somewhat of a leg to stand on. Every department is different.