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OBR test targets VS actual accuracy

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I am just trying to figure out if people are shooting better than the larue test targets. Mine shipped with a .474 test target and I am hoping with some load development it will run better. I am going to shoot it next weekend.

What has your experience been?
 
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My OBR came with .86" test target....


Here's a sample of my results with handloads...

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So in my case... They shoot better then advertised.
 
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mine was .529


It will do that with no prob. I think you will be able to get better with a hand load. They use 168 GGM when they test fire. I hear alot of people have really good luck with 175's.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My OBR came with .86" test target....


Here's a sample of my results with handloads...

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So in my case... They shoot better them advertised. </div></div>

What you can't keyhole a target with an OBR? Lol... jk
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Mine had .55 test target ( shot by Rick Perry FWIW ), and it shoots much better than that.

With 118LR and Black hills 175.... no handloads. No doubt it would be better with handloads, but, shoots minute of Pepsi can at 400-600 yards.
 
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Pepsi cans at 600. I don't think I could find a practical application besides benchrest that I would need more accuracy.
 
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Mine definitely shoots better than the test target with my handloads. I don't think you'll be disappointed when you get yours.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Napsters</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pepsi cans at 600. I don't think I could find a practical application besides benchrest that I would need more accuracy. </div></div>

I just started shooting BR..... thought mighty hard about using the OBR for the "stock rifle" class. Couldn't decide whether to shoot it without brake, or put the can on it though......knowing that would get some looks on the line!!!
 
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When y'all got your OBRs, did it come with the actual test target or was it a photocopy?? We ordered 4 and they all came with photocopied factory test targets....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RMBradshaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When y'all got your OBRs, did it come with the actual test target or was it a photocopy?? We ordered 4 and they all came with photocopied factory test targets.... </div></div>

Mine came with a photocopy
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mikee Booshay</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Napsters</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pepsi cans at 600. I don't think I could find a practical application besides benchrest that I would need more accuracy. </div></div>

I just started shooting BR..... thought mighty hard about using the OBR for the "stock rifle" class. Couldn't decide whether to shoot it without brake, or put the can on it though......knowing that would get some looks on the line!!! </div></div>

You should do it!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Napsters</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am just trying to figure out if people are shooting better than the larue test targets. Mine shipped with a .474 test target and I am hoping with some load development it will run better. I am going to shoot it next weekend.

What has your experience been? </div></div>

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Both my OBR's came with test targets that were barely acceptable. My 20" OBR's test target was 0.982 or something like that. This one was a little better. Obviously, they shoot much better than the test target. In fact, I'll bet they don't really spend a lot of time trying to make it a tight group. Long as it shoots under an inch, out the door it goes. This group measures about 0.280" and is a 5 shot group with LC brass, 175 SMK and 43.7 grains Varget. This gun is brand new; I only have 11 rounds through it.

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Those test targets are taken im sure with the rifle vised down and not off of a bipod and sand bag.

Last NIB OBR I saw came with a photocopy of a group it supposedly shot? Just found out LArue jacked the price up some more on these to like 3499 and they cant even give the original test targets.
 
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I too noticed the new prices on LaRue website, glad I locked in at $2995. Patiently waiting for the call.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those test targets are taken im sure with the rifle vised down and not off of a bipod and sand bag.

Last NIB OBR I saw came with a photocopy of a group it supposedly shot? Just found out LArue jacked the price up some more on these to like 3499 and they cant even give the original test targets. </div></div>

Actually, that's not the case. They are simply shot off the bench. Only reason I know that is because I asked before I ordered mine.

What's the big deal about a photocopy of the test target?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those test targets are taken im sure with the rifle vised down and not off of a bipod and sand bag.

Last NIB OBR I saw came with a photocopy of a group it supposedly shot? Just found out LArue jacked the price up some more on these to like 3499 and they cant even give the original test targets. </div></div>

Actually, that's not the case. They are simply shot off the bench. Only reason I know that is because I asked before I ordered mine.

What's the big deal about a photocopy of the test target?
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How do you know it's your target and not a generic?

What's the reason for the manufacture wanting to keep it?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MintyCock</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those test targets are taken im sure with the rifle vised down and not off of a bipod and sand bag.

Last NIB OBR I saw came with a photocopy of a group it supposedly shot? Just found out LArue jacked the price up some more on these to like 3499 and they cant even give the original test targets. </div></div>

Actually, that's not the case. They are simply shot off the bench. Only reason I know that is because I asked before I ordered mine.

What's the big deal about a photocopy of the test target?
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</div></div>

How do you know it's your target and not a generic?

What's the reason for the manufacture wanting to keep it? </div></div>

So larue could be trying to pull a fast one by including unique "generic" targets that seem to actually under-represent the accuracy of the weapon?

It would be just as easy to "cheat" with real targets, so I'm just not seeing the angle. Am I missing something?

As for why they keep the original... hell if I know, and I don't care either.
 
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The original is serialized to your weapon and sits in a file, with projectile recovered from the water tank, and a piece of spent brass.


Good luck
 
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My LaRue gun originally came with a .8 something MOA photo copied Test Target. My gun started off shooting .75 MOA and groups shrunk after maybe 800 rds down to .5MOA or better with M118LR. Why moan and complain over a photo copied test target when it seems that some other companies do the same or not even provide one (You don't see people complaining about the others companies that do it). My $4700 Surgeon or TRG42 my never came with one,. My KAC M110S at work shipped with "photo copied test targets. This all leads to a witch hunt with the LaRue haters or people biased against the company. My .8 something test target under represented on how the gun actually shoots.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gits</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My LaRue gun originally came with a .8 something MOA photo copied Test Target. My gun started off shooting .75 MOA and groups shrunk after maybe 800 rds down to .5MOA or better with M118LR. Why moan and complain over a photo copied test target when it seems that some other companies do the same or not even provide one (You don't see people complaining about the others companies that do it). My $4700 Surgeon or TRG42 my never came with one,. My KAC M110S at work shipped with "photo copied test targets. This all leads to a witch hunt with the LaRue haters or people biased against the company. My .8 something test target under represented on how the gun actually shoots. </div></div>

I've manage to squeeze out .3" moa.... I never would've believed it until I got my own OBR. The rifle just shoots. It's nice knowing that I'm the weak link and not my equipment.
 
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Larue is sure making a impressive product. I would not run any AR10 platform unless it was a Larue.
 
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Mine came with a target group that measured .487". It doesn't seem to have any problems shooting sub half minute groups as long as I do my part.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bobbyfairbanks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Larue is sure making a impressive product. I would not run any AR10 platform unless it was a Larue. </div></div>


I don't know about that. If the new barrels come with fluted chambers... not so much.
 
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I'll chime in again RE: my OBR experience. My 18" will shoot better than the accompanying test target with my handloads. I bought it used right here on the 'Hide from beenjammin (GTG, BTW). I am very happy with it. I am sure other large platform ARs are also quality kit, but I've never spent any quality time with them.

We all know its popular among some here to hate on Mark Larue. Me? I wouldn't know the man if I saw him. I do know that my OBR and the 2 others I have seen in action are pretty much hammers and reliable as hell. Good enough for me.

I don't disrespect those who feel they have legitimate beefs with Larue - I have no frame of reference to dispute them. I do chuckle a bit at those who haven't first hand experience with the OBR, but feel the need to comment on "what they've heard" though...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mkollman74</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll chime in again RE: my OBR experience. My 18" will shoot better than the accompanying test target with my handloads. I bought it used right here on the 'Hide from beenjammin (GTG, BTW). I am very happy with it. I am sure other large platform ARs are also quality kit, but I've never spent any quality time with them.

We all know its popular among some here to hate on Mark Larue. Me? I wouldn't know the man if I saw him. I do know that my OBR and the 2 others I have seen in action are pretty much hammers and reliable as hell. Good enough for me.

I don't disrespect those who feel they have legitimate beefs with Larue - I have no frame of reference to dispute them. I do chuckle a bit at those who haven't first hand experience with the OBR, but feel the need to comment on "what they've heard" though...

+1

Especially all this talk about the new chamber fluting. My new OBR has the spiral fluting. The first thing I did when I got home from the first range session with it was to resize the brass. No problems whatsoever. The brass is not dented or disfigured either by the weapon. FWIW this gun is more gentle on brass than my original OBR.

j

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All right guys......
Got some info. There is no vice. And like said above they are shot off a bench. Mainly by the same guy and the same scope. He pulls it off one rifle and then moves it to another. NF 5.5x22x50 NPR1. He does not take his time and try for one hole groups. But rather function and shooting within there standards. I know this because I spoke to someone at the company about it. He said most of the time the guns end up being sub half min of angle to half. My 18 inch OBR 7.62 had a .529 test target and it will do better then that if I can do my part. My new 18 in 556 OBR will be here thursday and has a test target of .636 and my guess is it will do better then that.Everyone has their own thoughts.... Mine happens to be that weather you like Mark Larue or not he is making one of the finest semi auto AR platforms in the marketplace. When I get my 556 set up I will do a review. Only have flip up sights for now. When I get some good glass we will take her out to the range.

Just my thoughts gents....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The original is serialized to your weapon and sits in a file, with projectile recovered from the water tank, and a piece of spent brass.


Good luck </div></div>

Is that standard practice for manufactures to collect bullet samples?
 
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They shoot the OBR's for test targets at 25 yards. Here's the proof:

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those pricks at Snipers Hide.... I think I just pissed my pants...



Shankster, no Dillo dust for you.
 
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Here is a comparison - test target VS the group I fired on Saturday. Ammo was factory loaded SSA m118lr clone.

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My target from LaRue was .981. Shot .459 from the bench with Fed 168GMM. Know it will do better with hand loads when I get the time to work one up.
 
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Nice. There should be little doubt the OBR is a fine rifle. Still waiting to get out with mine.

Nice job pullin' the trigger also.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zenghost</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then there is hope for me as well!</div></div>
I wouldn't go that far.
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Yeh, I am probably being a little presumptuous!
 
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I own one, purchased used with no test target and it shoots sub half moa. I went to go purchase another one today and I had to pass as the test target was .994.
I just can't see spending that kind of money on a Gun that they sent out the door with a target that weak.

I'm very pleased with the one I own already but would not buy another one unless I knew it shot well from the factory. The same store had another Obr with a .890 test as well...don't know if they are rushing through the test target protocol, but that isn't what I'm looking for in a $3400 rifle.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: popndrop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I own one, purchased used with no test target and it shoots sub half moa. I went to go purchase another one today and I had topass as the test target was .994 I just can't see spending that kind of money on a Gun that they sent out the door with a target that weak.
I'm very pleased with the one I own already but would not buy another one unless I knew it shot well from the factory. The same store had another Obr with a .890 test as well...don't know if they are rushing through the test target protocol, but that isn't what I'm looking for in a$3400 rifle. </div></div>

Don't have an OBR myself as I went with JP but am curious as to why you would expect a super small group out of a brand new barrel with factory ammo?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kujo929</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have an OBR myself as I went with JP but am curious as to why you would expect a super small group out of a brand new barrel with factory ammo? </div></div>

Because if you are going by some of the test targets they ship with, they are capable of much better than .9"
 
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my lord, how do you get a job like this!!! "ok honey, off to work to shoot some bad ass rifles!!".... shit man, I want this job! LOL

must be a hard life!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rhinomax</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All right guys......
Got some info. There is no vice. And like said above they are shot off a bench. Mainly by the same guy and the same scope. He pulls it off one rifle and then moves it to another. NF 5.5x22x50 NPR1. He does not take his time and try for one hole groups. But rather function and shooting within there standards. I know this because I spoke to someone at the company about it. He said most of the time the guns end up being sub half min of angle to half. My 18 inch OBR 7.62 had a .529 test target and it will do better then that if I can do my part. My new 18 in 556 OBR will be here thursday and has a test target of .636 and my guess is it will do better then that.Everyone has their own thoughts.... Mine happens to be that weather you like Mark Larue or not he is making one of the finest semi auto AR platforms in the marketplace. When I get my 556 set up I will do a review. Only have flip up sights for now. When I get some good glass we will take her out to the range.

Just my thoughts gents.... </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kujo929</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have an OBR myself as I went with JP but am curious as to why you would expect a super small group out of a brand new barrel with factory ammo? <span style="font-weight: bold"></div></div>

Because if you are going by some of the test targets they ship with, they are capable of much better than .9" </div></div></span>

This!
They have in the past delivered test targets with sub-half MOA. That is more in line with the price they are asking.
 
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Doesn't this thread prove that the test shooter is really just function testing and making sure the rifle is at least moa? Everyone is reporting accuracy better than their test target. Basically, if you can shoot at all then your test target is the worst you can expect, not the best as you seem to imply/infer.
 
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I'm inclined to agree with this. ^^^ You gotta figure that they're just trying to get them out the door within the set parameters (sub MOA), as their production has ramped up significantly lately so it seems. Plus, If you think about it, LaRue really doesn't have to prove themselves as much these days. Now back when they were trying to make their mark, I'm sure they really took their time on the bench to shoot the tightest groups possible. This of course is all speculation on my part.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redirt78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kujo929</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't have an OBR myself as I went with JP but am curious as to why you would expect a super small group out of a brand new barrel with factory ammo? </div></div>

Because if you are going by some of the test targets they ship with, they are capable of much better than .9" </div></div>

That is true but all guns (in my experience) tighten up their groups with more rounds down the tube. There is nothing wrong with a .9" test group. That is just to show that the gun is "in spec" for that particular setup. It does not mean that is the best you should expect the gun to shoot. They leave the real shooting to be done by the new owner. As they should.
 
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A moderate level of copper fouling is required for utmost accuracy and generally takes 40 rds to do so....
 
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