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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kifeter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Broker-

You must be the type of person that has a tool shed bigger than there house. Do you only purchase tools that are job specific? You don't own an adjustable wrench?

I am trying to find something that would cover both calibers because I do not have a specific level of protection needed. I don't know if you've been reeding but I clearly don't have an immediate and may never have a need for actually using them. That is why I am looking for something that would fit a broader range of ballistics.


Now, concerning you topic of natural disasters. Please copy and paste the part where I said there was mass rioting in Florida. It's probably going to be hard to find. Good luck with that.

You seem like a person that does not believe in change. Since there hasn't been mass rioting in the past, there will never be mass rioting or anything like that right? Like I have said before, I am getting these just in case, I hope never to use them and since money isn't a concern I don't see a reason in not owning a set.

Many of you say that I will be targeted first by LEO in the streets wearing these, but I don't plan on running around with these. I prepare properly for hurricanes so that I will not have to leave my homestead.


<span style="color: #009900">Now, does any one have a reason why its considered unwise to purchase a pair? To this point, I have yet to hear a con to owning a set.</span> </div></div>

Dude... You have to gauge your audience and what you're asking. I'm not against civilians owning body armor, and shit happens that it might not hurt to have one laying around as a just in case plan. But it's all about presentation and details on sites like this. People here have little patience for those who ask vague questions about items that the intended applications are usually for military or LEO application. And no one with 1/2 of brain can dispute that is what body armors primary intended purpose was. If you want better answers from experts here on subjects like this you have to research your topic first and ask detailed questions about detailed items with detailed purposes. Otherwise you sound like a mall ninja showing up asking something like this idiot...
 
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although true, why do people need to have patience with these types of posts? if you think its stupid, poorly worded, rehashed, or whatever, move on and don't post. how hard is that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kifeter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Broker-

You must be the type of person that has a tool shed bigger than there house. Do you only purchase tools that are job specific? You don't own an adjustable wrench?

I am trying to find something that would cover both calibers because I do not have a specific level of protection needed. I don't know if you've been reeding but I clearly don't have an immediate and may never have a need for actually using them. That is why I am looking for something that would fit a broader range of ballistics.


Now, concerning you topic of natural disasters. Please copy and paste the part where I said there was mass rioting in Florida. It's probably going to be hard to find. Good luck with that.

You seem like a person that does not believe in change. Since there hasn't been mass rioting in the past, there will never be mass rioting or anything like that right? Like I have said before, I am getting these just in case, I hope never to use them and since money isn't a concern I don't see a reason in not owning a set.

Many of you say that I will be targeted first by LEO in the streets wearing these, but I don't plan on running around with these. I prepare properly for hurricanes so that I will not have to leave my homestead.


<span style="color: #009900">Now, does any one have a reason why its considered unwise to purchase a pair? To this point, I have yet to hear a con to owning a set.</span> </div></div>

Dude... You have to gauge your audience and what you're asking. I'm not against civilians owning body armor, and shit happens that it might not hurt to have one laying around as a just in case plan. But it's all about presentation and details on sites like this. People here have little patience for those who ask vague questions about items that the intended applications are usually for military or LEO application. And no one with 1/2 of brain can dispute that is what body armors primary intended purpose was. If you want better answers from experts here on subjects like this you have to research your topic first and ask detailed questions about detailed items with detailed purposes. Otherwise you sound like a mall ninja showing up asking something like this idiot... </div></div>
 
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dyneema isn't the stuff that can sort of denature, if you will, in heat is it? i can't keep them straight.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I sent a pm on this but short story is
Dyneema from Ebay
Kevlar panels from 3a vest
Simple plate carrier </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having been through both Katrina in NO and Gustav in BTR the thought of owning body armor doesn't sound like a bad idea. Hell, a good portion of the NOPD bugged out with their armor.

I find it funny what some LEO's think that civvies should own and not own. </div></div>

well many, though not all, LEO's think they are a sort of military arm that doesn't want any competition from civilians. many forget they themselves are civilians and likely don't rely solely on the police force for their protection when off duty, yet want the rest of us to be unarmed and unprepared. its weird.
 
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Dyneema is the stuff the Israel's are making so should be fairly goood in heat. I would be careful with any sythetic in trunk of car. Put in heavy bag to help with heat problems

I was cop 25 years now I am just like everyone else, but always saw the need for all good citizens to be armed and secured. That includs armor.

We are all civilians
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ohhhh I see. It happened in Louisiana so clearly that means it can't happen in Florida. After all, they have completely different climates and are so far away from one another. Give me a break. There wereany documented accounts of looters taking what they wanted at gun point. There were some shown on tv with "assault weapons". To claim it can't happen in Florida, who has the same climate and natural disasters, when it just happened a handful of years ago in Louisiana makes you look like a baffoon. Accept it and move on.
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Because we all know that a State who the majority of citizens are over the age of 55 or tourists is likely to be filled with "looters". Comparing Louisiana to Florida in terms of occupants is like comparing Haiti to Hawaii. And I call bullshit on your "assault weapons" seen on tv. Saying you saw them on tv is not citing a source other than your own imagination. But go ahead and hit the streets with your plate carrier/soft armor and rifle when the "looters" try to steel your beer. See who LEO targets first. Good luck with that...

Here's your alleged "Assault" Weapons...

katrina_looter.jpg


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i guess you haven't been to miami. i go there about once a year. i might even debate wearing body armor under my coat just walking down the street on a normal evening let alone in a disaster. tampa isn't muhc better in some areas. even orlando has pockets. if he lives in naples, marco island, or some place like that, sure, you have a point. since i don't know where he lives, where he travels, or where he has family/friends, i don't assume he lives in a retirement community. perhaps you should do the same. people aren't much different no matter where they live. all places have crime, all places have people who will do anything for food when starving. i would say miami as a city is as bad if not worse than new orleans. the fact that much of florida contains retirees really doesn't matter if the guy doesn't live in those areas. besides, since you seem to be the master know it all about who should have armor and where, what demographics does a place need to warrant armor in your all knowing opinion? does there need to be an average age? how about race? how about nationality? what size area? the state, the area of the nation, the city, county, township? again, you look like a complete idiot claiming it can only happen in new orleans or louisiana.

also as the op stated, armor isn't necessarily for strolling down the streets. it might not be bad to have if hunering down in your house or neighborhood, it gives you one more level of protection. again, probably a waste of money, but if it ever happens the guy with the armor is likely going to be happy he has it and the one without likely upset he didn't just spend the $500 and be done with it.

as far as assault weapons, ask anyone who paid attention to the riots. or better yet, ask someone who was there or knows someone who was. most can tell you people were looting in the streets, often with semi auto rifles. i could waste my time finding you a link but frankly you aren't worth the time.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">although true, why do people need to have patience with these types of posts? if you think its stupid, poorly worded, rehashed, or whatever, move on and don't post. how hard is that?</div></div>

It's called Natural Selection...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">although true, why do people need to have patience with these types of posts? if you think its stupid, poorly worded, rehashed, or whatever, move on and don't post. how hard is that?</div></div>

It's called Natural Selection... </div></div>

i know you probably think thats a really witty and clever response, but it doesn't even make sense. its not that complicated. there are lots of threads on here daily that i personally find lame, a waste of time, or mall ninja-esque but i simply move on. to my surprise other people have a different opinion and think its a worthwhile topic and actually post helpful responses. people get so egotistical on forums its sad. they think others actually give a crap if they find a topic stupid.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dyneema is the stuff the Israel's are making so should be fairly goood in heat. I would be careful with any sythetic in trunk of car. Put in heavy bag to help with heat problems

I was cop 25 years now I am just like everyone else, but always saw the need for all good citizens to be armed and secured. That includs armor.

We are all civilians </div></div>

its nice you feel that way. others sadly don't. you are probably correct if the israeli's make it its ok in heat. i suppose synthetics may be easier to fake as well, so to the op make sure you buy from a reputable person.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i guess you haven't been to miami. i go there about once a year. <span style="font-weight: bold">i might even debate wearing body armor under my coat just walking down the street on a normal evening</span> let alone in a disaster. tampa isn't muhc better in some areas. even orlando has pockets. if he lives in naples, marco island, or some place like that, sure, you have a point. since i don't know where he lives, where he travels, or where he has family/friends, i don't assume he lives in a retirement community. perhaps you should do the same. people aren't much different no matter where they live. all places have crime, all places have people who will do anything for food when starving. i would say miami as a city is as bad if not worse than new orleans. the fact that much of florida contains retirees really doesn't matter if the guy doesn't live in those areas. besides, since you seem to be the master know it all about who should have armor and where, what demographics does a place need to warrant armor in your all knowing opinion? does there need to be an average age? how about race? how about nationality? what size area? the state, the area of the nation, the city, county, township? again, you look like a complete idiot claiming it can only happen in new orleans or louisiana.

also as the op stated, armor isn't necessarily for strolling down the streets. it might not be bad to have if hunering down in your house or neighborhood, it gives you one more level of protection. again, probably a waste of money, but if it ever happens the guy with the armor is likely going to be happy he has it and the one without likely upset he didn't just spend the $500 and be done with it.

<span style="font-weight: bold">as far as assault weapons, ask anyone who paid attention to the riots. or better yet, ask someone who was there or knows someone who was. most can tell you people were looting in the streets, often with semi auto rifles. i could waste my time finding you a link but frankly you aren't worth the time.</span>
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The first bold section sums this whole conversation up...

The second is the dumbest fucking excuse I've heard in a long time and total bull shit. The media was everywhere down there and would have gladly posted up photos of looters with assault weapons to push their biased agenda for gun control. Ask someone who knows someone? Really? Lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">although true, why do people need to have patience with these types of posts? if you think its stupid, poorly worded, rehashed, or whatever, move on and don't post. how hard is that?</div></div>

It's called Natural Selection... </div></div>

i know you probably think thats a really witty and clever response, but it doesn't even make sense. its not that complicated. there are lots of threads on here daily that i personally find lame, a waste of time, or mall ninja-esque but i simply move on. to my surprise other people have a different opinion and think its a worthwhile topic and actually post helpful responses. people get so egotistical on forums its sad. they think others actually give a crap if they find a topic stupid. </div></div>

Of course it doesn't make sense to you... lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course it doesn't make sense to you... lol... </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Dude... You have to gauge your audience and what you're asking. I'm not against civilians owning body armor, and shit happens that it might not hurt to have one laying around as a just in case plan. But it's all about presentation and details on sites like this. People here have little patience for those who ask vague questions about items that the intended applications are usually for military or LEO application. And no one with 1/2 of brain can dispute that is what body armors primary intended purpose was. If you want better answers from experts here on subjects like this you have to research your topic first and ask detailed questions about detailed items with detailed purposes. Otherwise you sound like a mall ninja showing up asking something like this idiot... </div></div>

Bingo. If the OP would have started with the information a page of questions and ridicule eventually brought out I think this whole thread would have gone differently.

There is a big MIL/LEO presence here that, traditionally, hasn't taken kindly to mall ninja types. I've yet to see anyone here suggest citizens not be armed or own whatever the topic of the day is. I have seen more than a few with an anti-LE sentiment try to instigate a storm by baiting LE into debates about what citizens should or should not have access to.

I'm of the opinion that criminals have access to anything they can afford on the street so I see no reason citizens shouldn't, especially after jumping through the hoops the legal system has set up.

However, being in LE I've run into a few nutjobs in my day. So forgive me if I prefer a little clarification as to why one wants level IV body armor before I give advice on what to look for.
 
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I'm a member of several forums and this one is nothing like the rest. I've never in my life seen so many people just sitting around waiting for an excuse to talk shit. God forbid anyone use the word sniper on this forum. If you don't like what he's asking just move on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: yellowjacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm a member of several forums and this one is nothing like the rest. I've never in my life seen so many people just sitting around waiting for an excuse to talk shit. God forbid anyone use the word sniper on this forum. If you don't like what he's asking just move on. </div></div>

Pot or Kettle? Lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: yellowjacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow your so clever </div></div>Actually, he's getting much better than he used to be.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">although true, why do people need to have patience with these types of posts? if you think its stupid, poorly worded, rehashed, or whatever, move on and don't post. how hard is that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kifeter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Broker-

You must be the type of person that has a tool shed bigger than there house. Do you only purchase tools that are job specific? You don't own an adjustable wrench?

I am trying to find something that would cover both calibers because I do not have a specific level of protection needed. I don't know if you've been reeding but I clearly don't have an immediate and may never have a need for actually using them. That is why I am looking for something that would fit a broader range of ballistics.


Now, concerning you topic of natural disasters. Please copy and paste the part where I said there was mass rioting in Florida. It's probably going to be hard to find. Good luck with that.

You seem like a person that does not believe in change. Since there hasn't been mass rioting in the past, there will never be mass rioting or anything like that right? Like I have said before, I am getting these just in case, I hope never to use them and since money isn't a concern I don't see a reason in not owning a set.

Many of you say that I will be targeted first by LEO in the streets wearing these, but I don't plan on running around with these. I prepare properly for hurricanes so that I will not have to leave my homestead.


<span style="color: #009900">Now, does any one have a reason why its considered unwise to purchase a pair? To this point, I have yet to hear a con to owning a set.</span> </div></div>

Dude... You have to gauge your audience and what you're asking. I'm not against civilians owning body armor, and shit happens that it might not hurt to have one laying around as a just in case plan. But it's all about presentation and details on sites like this. People here have little patience for those who ask vague questions about items that the intended applications are usually for military or LEO application. And no one with 1/2 of brain can dispute that is what body armors primary intended purpose was. If you want better answers from experts here on subjects like this you have to research your topic first and ask detailed questions about detailed items with detailed purposes. Otherwise you sound like a mall ninja showing up asking something like this idiot... </div></div> </div></div>

Hi Broker,

I understand what you are saying now. This was my first post on this site so it may not have been up to SH standards. I now know I have to provide more specific details to my questions when asked on this site. However, I did not need all of the troll/mall ninja responses that I received.

If I ever decide to ask a question on this site again, I will try to make it more specific.

Thanks everyone that participated in the actual subject of my post.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kifeter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hi Broker,

I understand what you are saying now. This was my first post on this site so it may not have been up to SH standards. I now know I have to provide more specific details to my questions when asked on this site. However, I did not need all of the troll/mall ninja responses that I received.

If I ever decide to ask a question on this site again, I will try to make it more specific.

Thanks everyone that participated in the actual subject of my post. </div></div>

I was merely providing the reasoning. KBtoystore & Yellowbelly or whatever their names are decided to target me as the attacker but if those ladies were to go back and actually read they'd see I never referred to you as a troll, mall ninja, or anything else. As I was told when I first posted something that came off stupid which I still do often... You better get thick skin if you're going to hang around here...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kifeter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Hi Broker,

I understand what you are saying now. This was my first post on this site so it may not have been up to SH standards. I now know I have to provide more specific details to my questions when asked on this site. However, I did not need all of the troll/mall ninja responses that I received.

If I ever decide to ask a question on this site again, I will try to make it more specific.

Thanks everyone that participated in the actual subject of my post. </div></div>

I was merely providing the reasoning. KBtoystore & Yellowbelly or whatever their names are decided to target me as the attacker but if those ladies were to go back and actually read they'd see I never referred to you as a troll, mall ninja, or anything else. As I was told when I first posted something that came off stupid which I still do often... You better get thick skin if you're going to hang around here... </div></div>


When exactly did I say your name.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
i guess you haven't been to miami. i go there about once a year. <span style="font-weight: bold">i might even debate wearing body armor under my coat just walking down the street on a normal evening</span> let alone in a disaster. tampa isn't muhc better in some areas. even orlando has pockets. if he lives in naples, marco island, or some place like that, sure, you have a point. since i don't know where he lives, where he travels, or where he has family/friends, i don't assume he lives in a retirement community. perhaps you should do the same. people aren't much different no matter where they live. all places have crime, all places have people who will do anything for food when starving. i would say miami as a city is as bad if not worse than new orleans. the fact that much of florida contains retirees really doesn't matter if the guy doesn't live in those areas. besides, since you seem to be the master know it all about who should have armor and where, what demographics does a place need to warrant armor in your all knowing opinion? does there need to be an average age? how about race? how about nationality? what size area? the state, the area of the nation, the city, county, township? again, you look like a complete idiot claiming it can only happen in new orleans or louisiana.

also as the op stated, armor isn't necessarily for strolling down the streets. it might not be bad to have if hunering down in your house or neighborhood, it gives you one more level of protection. again, probably a waste of money, but if it ever happens the guy with the armor is likely going to be happy he has it and the one without likely upset he didn't just spend the $500 and be done with it.

<span style="font-weight: bold">as far as assault weapons, ask anyone who paid attention to the riots. or better yet, ask someone who was there or knows someone who was. most can tell you people were looting in the streets, often with semi auto rifles. i could waste my time finding you a link but frankly you aren't worth the time.</span>
</div></div>

The first bold section sums this whole conversation up...

The second is the dumbest fucking excuse I've heard in a long time and total bull shit. The media was everywhere down there and would have gladly posted up photos of looters with assault weapons to push their biased agenda for gun control. Ask someone who knows someone? Really? Lol... </div></div>

the first comment was a hyperbole. it was a joke. i don't even believe it having body armor, it was designed to express the level of danger of just walking down the street. are you truly that dense?

http://www.examiner.com/article/hurrican...end-your-family

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...o-kenneth-bowen

http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.11/pdfs/0911.Extra.pdf

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1194016,00.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129512989

these are a good place to start, but there is more if you spend the time to look. these took me about 3 minutes and doesn't include the reports i received from friends who live there. were they telling me tall tales? maybe, but i see no reason to think so. it shows a few things. one, many gangs in new orleans carry ak 47's among other assault weapons. two, gang members opened fire with ak 47's during katrina. 3, cops couldn't be depended on in all instances during katrina. 4, cops opened fire on innocent people with assault weapons during katrina. five, militias were formed during katrina that carried assault weapons. although this time they only defended their area with them, once resources run out what do you suppose they are going to do?

is that enough proof there were and are assault weapons being used badly in new orleans? now consider miami with just as much, if not more, crime and a large number of illegals involved in drug trafficking. i will trust you can look into more experiences and eye witness reports on your own like a big boy.

shit, if people are going to stock up 3 months worth of food for disasters as well as additional ammo i see no reason to judge those who decide to stock up on some armor while they can. besides, as i said in the beginning and you still haven't answered, why the hell do you care? if you don't like it, move on and leave the guy alone. hell, i don't even agree with the guy personally, but i can see why he might want it down the road. who knows, i might regret not getting armor someday. no one here knows what will be around the corner.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone cares on the cheap=ish

https://www.uspalm.com/products/armor/us-palm-defender-ar15.html

Money no object dragon skin </div></div>

thats not too bad. i looked around some, a guy is selling some ar500 steel plates, front, back and two sides for around 125 shipped. they aren't controured, they are just flat, but i suppose theyd do the trick if you had some trauma inserts as well.
 
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You have to decide if you just want a plate carrier, or one with protection of its own. I'd suggest a carrier that offers IIIA protection on its own so it can be used without the rifle plates if you so desire. More protection = more money though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the first comment was a hyperbole. it was a joke. i don't even believe it having body armor, it was designed to express the level of danger of just walking down the street. are you truly that dense?

<span style="color: #FF0000">Oh so now it was all just a joke... I'll revisit the dense comment. Let's continue...</span>

http://www.examiner.com/article/hurrican...end-your-family

<span style="color: #FF0000">Shotgun... no assault weapons here....</span>

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...o-kenneth-bowen

<span style="color: #FF0000">They were cops at the time it happened... and again no mention of assault weapons</span>

http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.11/pdfs/0911.Extra.pdf

<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't open pdfs from strangers, lol, and it doesn't look like a valid source...</span>

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1194016,00.html

<span style="color: #FF0000">Glad to see you found a reference to gangs and assault weapons, but unfortunately for you the topic was Looters and Assault weapons and your claim that they were being used on civilians in Katrina. I could give a shit less if one gang banger shoots another with an assault weapon.</span>

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129512989

<span style="color: #FF0000">So again you're going to reference cops killing civilians? Still no mention of assault weapons and good luck shooting a cop you think is a looter. You better have evidence beyond a doubt and hope there's no other cops around because that's a one ticket...</span>

these are a good place to start, but there is more if you spend the time to look. these took me about 3 minutes and doesn't include the reports i received from friends who live there. were they telling me tall tales(<span style="color: #FF0000">yup</span>)? maybe, but i see no reason to think so. it shows a few things. one, many gangs in new orleans carry ak 47's among other assault weapons. two, gang members opened fire with ak 47's during katrina(<span style="color: #FF0000">Where are you citing this incident from?</span>). 3, cops couldn't be depended on in all instances during katrina. 4, cops opened fire on innocent people with assault weapons during katrina(<span style="color: #FF0000">not one single article stated assault weapons, again your inserting assumptions</span>). five, militias were formed during katrina that carried assault weapons. although this time they only defended their area with them, once resources run out what do you suppose they are going to do?<span style="color: #FF0000"> You've resorted to hypothetical outcomes to argue your point...</span>

is that enough proof there were and are assault weapons being used badly in new orleans(<span style="color: #FF0000">all you've proven is that there was violence during Katrina which no one disputed, and that gangs in New Orleans have assault weapons</span>)? now consider miami with just as much, if not more, crime and a large number of illegals involved in drug trafficking. i will trust you can look into more experiences and eye witness reports on your own like a big boy.

shit, if people are going to stock up 3 months worth of food for disasters as well as additional ammo i see no reason to judge those who decide to stock up on some armor while they can. besides, as i said in the beginning and you still haven't answered, why the hell do you care(<span style="color: #FF0000">why do you care if I care? Here's your problem...</span>)? if you don't like it, move on and leave the guy alone. hell, i don't even agree with the guy personally, but i can see why he might want it down the road. who knows, i might regret not getting armor someday. no one here knows what will be around the corner. <span style="color: #FF0000">Last time I checked this Forum doesn't belong to you nor do you dictate how any other member is to act or speak. As a matter of fact telling others what they can and can't say? Really? If anything you're also a hypocrite for doing do and if you really followed your own crack pot advice you would have "moved along" awhile ago. Good luck with that especially here.

I changed my mind about revisiting the dense comment and will refer back to my earlier post about natural selection...
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I don't dictate how people treat others or how people talk. The forum rules do, however, perhaps you should read them. You really are just a mean person I guess. I feel sorry for you. Its sad to see so many Internet tough guys these days. I tried using logic, I tried using reason, I tried even pointing out what a jerk you and others were but apparently you are unwillining to admit you are wrong and plain mean. No more of my time will e wasted. OP, good luck in the search, eBay had some deals right now if you aren't concerned with specific brands.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
the first comment was a hyperbole. it was a joke. i don't even believe it having body armor, it was designed to express the level of danger of just walking down the street. are you truly that dense?

<span style="color: #FF0000">Oh so now it was all just a joke... I'll revisit the dense comment. Let's continue...</span>

http://www.examiner.com/article/hurrican...end-your-family

<span style="color: #FF0000">Shotgun... no assault weapons here....</span>

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-...o-kenneth-bowen

<span style="color: #FF0000">They were cops at the time it happened... and again no mention of assault weapons</span>

http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.11/pdfs/0911.Extra.pdf

<span style="color: #FF0000">I don't open pdfs from strangers, lol, and it doesn't look like a valid source...</span>

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1194016,00.html

<span style="color: #FF0000">Glad to see you found a reference to gangs and assault weapons, but unfortunately for you the topic was Looters and Assault weapons and your claim that they were being used on civilians in Katrina. I could give a shit less if one gang banger shoots another with an assault weapon.</span>

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129512989

<span style="color: #FF0000">So again you're going to reference cops killing civilians? Still no mention of assault weapons and good luck shooting a cop you think is a looter. You better have evidence beyond a doubt and hope there's no other cops around because that's a one ticket...</span>

these are a good place to start, but there is more if you spend the time to look. these took me about 3 minutes and doesn't include the reports i received from friends who live there. were they telling me tall tales(<span style="color: #FF0000">yup</span>)? maybe, but i see no reason to think so. it shows a few things. one, many gangs in new orleans carry ak 47's among other assault weapons. two, gang members opened fire with ak 47's during katrina(<span style="color: #FF0000">Where are you citing this incident from?</span>). 3, cops couldn't be depended on in all instances during katrina. 4, cops opened fire on innocent people with assault weapons during katrina(<span style="color: #FF0000">not one single article stated assault weapons, again your inserting assumptions</span>). five, militias were formed during katrina that carried assault weapons. although this time they only defended their area with them, once resources run out what do you suppose they are going to do?<span style="color: #FF0000"> You've resorted to hypothetical outcomes to argue your point...</span>

is that enough proof there were and are assault weapons being used badly in new orleans(<span style="color: #FF0000">all you've proven is that there was violence during Katrina which no one disputed, and that gangs in New Orleans have assault weapons</span>)? now consider miami with just as much, if not more, crime and a large number of illegals involved in drug trafficking. i will trust you can look into more experiences and eye witness reports on your own like a big boy.

shit, if people are going to stock up 3 months worth of food for disasters as well as additional ammo i see no reason to judge those who decide to stock up on some armor while they can. besides, as i said in the beginning and you still haven't answered, why the hell do you care(<span style="color: #FF0000">why do you care if I care? Here's your problem...</span>)? if you don't like it, move on and leave the guy alone. hell, i don't even agree with the guy personally, but i can see why he might want it down the road. who knows, i might regret not getting armor someday. no one here knows what will be around the corner. <span style="color: #FF0000">Last time I checked this Forum doesn't belong to you nor do you dictate how any other member is to act or speak. As a matter of fact telling others what they can and can't say? Really? If anything you're also a hypocrite for doing do and if you really followed your own crack pot advice you would have "moved along" awhile ago. Good luck with that especially here.

I changed my mind about revisiting the dense comment and will refer back to my earlier post about natural selection...
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Oh and check your reading comprehension skills. Specifically the examiner, it does talk about assault weapons. But nice try.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh and check your reading comprehension skills. Specifically the examiner, it does talk about assault weapons. But nice try. </div></div>

Gangs shooting at cops, not civilians. What your attempting is known as spin, and you're bad it so quit trying.

I love how every time someone isn't winning an argument they resort to "internet tough guy" comments and other means of distraction from the fact that they're giving an unsubstantiated argument based on opinions and hear say. I don't recall threatening you or making any comments that would indicate an "internet tough guy" threat. You're argument is weak and in desperation you're trying to play the victim on some high horse...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The forum rules do, however, perhaps you should read them.</div></div>

Btw... if you're going to cite rules then it would do you well to read them yourself since you've resorted to name calling on multiple posts to try and win your argument. And if you're going to call someone something try using a little finesse like douche nozzle or oxygen thief. "Jerk" and "mean" really? Next you'll want to discuss your feelings with us...
 
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People can't even get along on the internet, let alone if there's a national disaster. This post proves it.

Everyone buy body armor. I never thought about it before till I read this thread. LOL
 
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I personally don't see a problem with buying some just in case. I have toyed with buying the cheaper US palm kit with the front and rear soft panels. In the case of a home invasion it would take about 5 seconds to slip it on for an extra level of protection against an armed intruder.

Whether or not a civilian owning armor is "mall ninja" stuff totally depends on the attitude of the user.
 
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Threads like this are exactly why the mods had to put a sticky on all the forum sections not to attack new members. If you think someone is unworthy of your expertise on body armor, then pass them by. There is nothing special about body armor, it is less dangerous than the multitude of weapons available to civilians, and it is a legal product. The attitudes on display here are exactly why we must suffer through paperwork and $200 tax stamps to buy suppressors, because the drama queens think criminals everywhere will have them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People can't even get along on the internet, let alone if there's a national disaster. This post proves it.

Everyone buy body armor. I never thought about it before till I read this thread. LOL </div></div>


HAHAHAAHAHA! Bravo.
 
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I have IBA and Kevlar. Not for home invaders, but because I can. Who knows what it can be like in case of a natural disaster or civil unrest. Why flame someone for the question. READ the TOP sticky in EVERY fuking forum. Do NOT attack new members. WTF do you not understand about that?

Dave
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">Money no object dragon skin</span> </div></div>

Why would someone recommend Armor that has failed 3 DOD tests and failed the NIJ test...
 
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My bad... Didn't realize it got the "SEAL" of approval off the boob tube...

I'll order some from you next time I hit the Lotto...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYpatriot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Threads like this are exactly why the mods had to put a sticky on all the forum sections not to attack new members. If you think someone is unworthy of your expertise on body armor, then pass them by. There is nothing special about body armor, it is less dangerous than the multitude of weapons available to civilians, and it is a legal product. The attitudes on display here are exactly why we must suffer through paperwork and $200 tax stamps to buy suppressors, because the drama queens think criminals everywhere will have them. </div></div>

It's amazing how you always show up towards the end and never the beginning with the same self righteous tone and hypocrisy of telling others to "pass them buy" yet you yourself can not pass by without putting in your 2 cents. So, as always you didn't actually read the previous posts but skimmed and made assumptions. No one said civilians shouldn't own body armor... again... no one said civilians shouldn't own body armor. It came down to someone coming on here mouthing off to everyone else to mind their own business and move on, just like you just did, yet they can't swallow their own advice. Then came the tin hat prepper brigade spewing forth bullshit that looters everywhere are targeting civilians with assault weapons. The idiots that wander the streets during riots and natural disasters suited up in body armor and carrying AR15's with the self appointed peacemaker attitude are the reason we pay $200 for tax stamps on our cans. The public see's them and thinks we're all gun toting lunatics that spray bullets like Rambo. So yes... some of us feel the need to qualify the question before answering to make sure some idiot isn't using it for illicit means and then the next thing we know they give the government a reason to regulate it. And for someone that goes around telling everyone they're the reason government oppresses the 2nd amendment you sure do go around telling everyone they don't have the right to use the 1st.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Whether or not a civilian owning armor is "mall ninja" stuff totally depends on the attitude of the user. </div></div>

The only problem for all of us is those mall ninjas act stupid, and unfortunately the media and public see them as their baseline opinion for all of us. It's one thing to buy it, it's another thing to give them advice and help them when they come around wanting to act out Call Of Duty at the mall.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone cares on the cheap=ish

https://www.uspalm.com/products/armor/us-palm-defender-ar15.html

Money no object dragon skin </div></div>

thats not too bad. i looked around some, a guy is selling some ar500 steel plates, front, back and two sides for around 125 shipped. they aren't controured, they are just flat, but i suppose theyd do the trick if you had some trauma inserts as well. </div></div>I plan to pick up some of the US Palm stuff. flat plates i think you run the risk of shrapnel. but that's better than a bullet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elkhuntinguide</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #FF0000">Money no object dragon skin</span> </div></div>

Why would someone recommend Armor that has failed 3 DOD tests and failed the NIJ test...

</div></div>
Hmmmm when I was on Active duty some EOD guys swore by the stuff, and even said the test was rigged.

according to this http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14523

that isnt the case.

Good thing I haven't won the lottery already I might have wasted a lot of money. Of course seeing the stuff touted on "future weapons" should have been my first clue it was in fact useless. What a shame such a great idea poorly implemented by what would appear to be a common snake oil salesman. The reminds me of the Hennessey fiasco the car world experienced a few years back.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tmckay2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Droid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If anyone cares on the cheap=ish

https://www.uspalm.com/products/armor/us-palm-defender-ar15.html

Money no object dragon skin </div></div>

thats not too bad. i looked around some, a guy is selling some ar500 steel plates, front, back and two sides for around 125 shipped. they aren't controured, they are just flat, but i suppose theyd do the trick if you had some trauma inserts as well. </div></div>I plan to pick up some of the US Palm stuff. flat plates i think you run the risk of shrapnel. but that's better than a bullet. </div></div>


I have several US PALM products...they are very nice. The Defender series of carriers are designed for the home invasion scenario, but will work equally well in a bug out bag or other kit. The Defender can also carry SAPI cut plates as well. For just lvl 3 protection, they are a bargain. They also have the ASP-C carrier that includes front and rear Lvl4 Stand Alone Plates for $400. That is the best price around.

And for the record, many soldiers are killed by shrapnel from bullets hitting their armor plates. The shrapnel goes straight into their necks and jugular veins.
 
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Ya know, there are a metric shit-ton of great guys on this site. Some have been here a long time; others, not so long. But one thing seems an eternal constant - those most intolerant of new members are among the newest of members themselves. I don't give a rat's hairy butt what you do for a living, it doesn't give you some inherent right to ignore the very simple rules around here.

<Edited to remove direct quote from the above-mentioned RULES>

All I'm saying is, if you don't like the thread, don't read/post in it. If you have a burr up your ass and don't want to divulge your uber-sensitive, super-secret, ninja-powered information that you have gleaned through many years of personal research or government (read, taxpayer) funded training - then don't. Just shut the hell up and move on. Not being a prick really isn't all that difficult.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The idiots that wander the streets during riots and natural disasters suited up in body armor and carrying AR15's with the self appointed peacemaker attitude are the reason we pay $200 for tax stamps on our cans.</div></div>
Just a bit of research on that topic would do you good......
 
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Holy Shit... That Turtleskin might be the best shit in the world, but for the price I could outfit a fireteam with Ceramic Armor... It is heavier, but I will deal with it...

Good Luck...
 
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