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Barroom argument

Superswamp

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I am not a reloader, but do have some dogs in this fight.
Can a 6.5 diameter projectile work in a 25.06?
I think the .243 and 6mm slugs are the same and there is no question there.
I am a newbie at this, all comments appreciated
Thanks, enjoy the fireworks.
 
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I'd say no. 6.5 is 7 thousandths larger (.264") than a 25 caliber which is .257".
 
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Pretty much how it works ^. I have never heard of anybody trying it, it wouldn't be a happy ending. I guess, you might be able to jamb the bolt closed, if you could shove the bullet back into the case, but at that point, I think you would blow up the action? It would have to be something like a 25'06 and a 6.5'06, same general case size. BB
 
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Is it physically possible? Yes.

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

With a low enough powder charge you could likely do it "safely" (not eating bolt), but you're going to run into a real sharp pressure spike, and likely copper foul like a mother.

I believe P.O. Ackley did quite a bit of testing in this area, and IIRC, over-sized bullets aren't as huge a thing as people would like to think, but they still do increase pressure.

Biggest issue is the throat and neck. As long as there's room for the case neck to expand, and a "funnel" for the bullet to squeeze down it's not so severe. If you don't allow room for the brass to obturate, pressure spikes quickly, however.

In WWII, the Germans had a few squeeze-bore designs, going from 28mm to 20mm (PzB41), and I believe there was a cannon that went from 75mm to 50-55mm, obviously with special ammunition.

As far as 6.5mm in a .25-06, I wouldn't do it on a consistent basis. Maybe one weak-loaded for the "what does this do" factor, but beyond that is a waste of time/effort/money IMO.

Kind of relevant, but one time I tried to cut .30-06 brass down to 7x57mm mauser and load it for a buddy of mine. I used the same process that I do for making 8x57mm for my K98's. However, his new(er) winchester 70 didn't have enough room in the neck to expand the brass (.30-06 brass is thicker at the shoulder, where the 7x57 neck/mouth ended up being, than 7x57 is supposed to be at the mouth). Starting loads blew primers.

Something to think about.
 
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As ledzep says. Not only PO Ackley, but the Frankfort Arsenal tried some things back in the day. Hatcher's notebook details some of their escapades. One of the tricks was to fire a .45 ACP round in the .30-06. Since the Springfields captured the head of the cartridge it would fire. Wound up with a long skinny 230 grain bullet.
 
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That's a new one on me? I would think grown men would have better things to do, especially Ackley and Hatcher, Frankfort, etc. That would be a dumb way to collect a bar room bet. I'll pass. BB
 
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I think it is definitely possible for the barrel to swage down that oversized bullet. However, whether you are uninjured and have a servicable rifle afterwards is a different question.

There was a thread on ar15.com a month or two ago where a guy accidently loaded a mag with 300blk into his 556 ar15 and fired it. It blew out the mag, but it also forced that 308 cal bullet down that barrel.
 
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As a protagonist: Yes, you can, but only after you run the (properly supported) bullet through a 257 swaging die!

Otherwise it is VERY dangerous.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50APIT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it is definitely possible for the barrel to swage down that oversized bullet. However, whether you are uninjured and have a servicable rifle afterwards is a different question.

There was a thread on ar15.com a month or two ago where a guy accidently loaded a mag with 300blk into his 556 ar15 and fired it. It blew out the mag, but it also forced that 308 cal bullet down that barrel. </div></div>

!!!
 
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<span style="font-style: italic">"There was a thread on ar15.com a month or two ago where a guy accidently loaded a mag with 300blk into his 556 ar15 and fired it."</span>

I wasn't there but I really doubt that happened as described. Ain't no way a .300 anything is going to chamber and lock in a 5.56.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fuzzball</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-style: italic">"There was a thread on ar15.com a month or two ago where a guy accidently loaded a mag with 300blk into his 556 ar15 and fired it."</span>

I wasn't there but I really doubt that happened as described. Ain't no way a .300 anything is going to chamber and lock in a 5.56. </div></div>
Do you have a 300 blk? You can certainly chamber a piece of 300 blk brass in a 556 ar. I have set a 147gr (the story was a 125gr) loaded round in the chamber and the bolt would not close, but I also didn't let the bolt slam home. With enough bullet setback, a 300blk round would chamber. At this point the only question is whether the bolt has enough energy to cause that much setback and according to that poster at the link below, it does.

If this guy is lying, he came up with a pretty good story to explain his blown up gun:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_121/57586...t___Page_1.html
 
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Please DO NOT take any advice on reloading from the person who said that you can shoot a 6.5 in a .243/6 mm. This person either has a death wish or is just a complete idiot...

Good Shooting!!
 
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I have P.O. Ackleys books and will say that he must have loved to blow up stuff.or he just had enough money to do so.forgot he did at times have uncle sams money.
 
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"I have P.O. Ackleys books and will say that he must have loved to blow up stuff.or he just had enough money to do so."

Mr. Ackley did a lot of the stuff we read about when WWII surplus rifles were plentiful and cheap. For some years he taught a university gunsmithing course and much of the blow-up and wildcat stuff was done as experiments by his students, under his VERY knowledgeable guidance of course.
 
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My first 25'06Ackley was made by P.O. Ackley. A friggin' tack driver, but stolen New Years Eve 1975. In those days I had a gun cabinet with a glass door and one of those locks like they use at the stores. As long as I'm going down memory lane, the only one I ever saw again was <span style="text-decoration: underline">ten years later</span>; a Combat Commander. Police took it from a Mexican National down at the border, sent me a letter. I still carry it every day. BB