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Hunting & Fishing APA vs Africa videos

Jered Joplin

Jered Joplin

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I thought you guys would like to see this. It's actually the last buffalo we shot but the video was pretty good so I'm starting with it. I've got 30 days worth of this stuff so there will be plenty more. No we aren't videographers so you will see some goofy stuff at times. This is hunting in the raw. We wanted to make some videos that showed a little bit more reality. So no we didn't cut the good parts out. Enjoy...........

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Buffalo are incredibly tough, two solid hits and it's standing blowing it's lungs out it's nostrils, I've got to respect that animal.

What caliber & projectile was used?
Rath
 
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I've been waiting patiently for your videos!! Thanks for sharing your adventures with us, I look forward to many more!!
 
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The first shots are from the 375 H&H at 200 yards with 2 Barnes 300g solids. You can see the Mannlicher in the very beginning of the video. When we move in close Tom switches to the double. These things don't play games and with the girls there nobody is taking any chances.
 
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Jered, was there full penetration with the solids?
 
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I assume you go with solids in case it were to charge and you put one thru its head? I would say that animal would require a solid to break the top of the skull....
 
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Incredible to see an animal take a hit like that and still live.
 
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Nice.. I just got back from Africa myself and cant wait to get back down there.
 
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You use solids because they break bone and penetrate. After hunting these guys I would say without question there should be no consideration other than a barnes TSX or a solid of some sort. I have never seen any animal take this kind of punishment and still want to kill you. You have to penetrate these things and break them down. If not you will meet him face to face. It's not a risk you want to roll the dice on. It's like trying to stop a pissed off VW that charges out of the grass at 20 yards. You have one opportunity to make your shot count. Personally I underestimated them. I looked at it like a bull with an attitude. Boy was I wrong! When you see one skeletal make up you would understand more.

Notice the two sets of ribs behind the shoulder that criss cross like a picket fence. Try shooting an arrow through that.
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In this photo notice the amount of neck muscle behind the head. The spine is really low in the neck. Much lower than I expected.
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Plain and simple these things will F you up if you don't break him down.
 
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As the saying goes "Use enough gun". Great video, thanks for sharing, I am looking forward to the rest.
 
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I changed the title of the post and I'll just start putting them all in this post to make it simple.

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Why the hell would the hunter let the thing lay there and suffer but then walk up and put another round in it after its dead? I'm all for killing shit but there's no sense in letting and animal suffer if you can help it. If it runs off its one thing but if you walk up on it keep shooting until its dead. That's pretty fucked up IMO to let it lay there and moan.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why the hell would the hunter let the thing lay there and suffer but then walk up and put another round in it after its dead? I'm all for killing shit but there's no sense in letting and animal suffer if you can help it. If it runs off its one thing but if you walk up on it keep shooting until its dead. That's pretty fucked up IMO to let it lay there and moan. </div></div>

On one hand I agree with you. I am all about the quick clean kill no matter what the animal is. Nothing deserves to suffer. It seems to take awhile for it to pass and at 5-6 shots I think the caliber should be questioned in the double barrel rifle.

But on the other hand these animals are VERY tough. They can take about anything you throw at them for the first few minutes. A desperate, angry buffalo is not something I would want to come face to face with.

But I do think the
 
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I only saw two shots go in the first then two shots initially go in the second with a third after it was already dead.

I've yet to see any animal so much as blink with a shot through the spinal cord in the neck, that's what should have happened when they walked up on each of them still alive. I have a feeling that hunter wouldn't want to know what it feels like to stand there and blow blood out of its mouth and nostrils so why should the animal have to suffer that way when it would be easy to put a couple more rounds in him?
 
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Cory you don't typically shoot something in the head like that. You do when he is trying to kill you and he is at 5 yards. People will never understand what it takes to kill one of those until they have stood there face to face and tried to kill one. If you wound him without breaking down his skeletal structure he is coming to kill you period. It's different when your ass is on the line trust me. To second all that who wants to put a 600g projectile through the head of something they just paid that much money for. I've seen what it does if you hit the boss. It's not real pretty. The shot in the rear is to break his spine to insure he can't stand up when he gets there. As a matter of fact we shoot him again knowing he is pretty much dead just to make sure. I shot mine 6 times from 20 to 5 yards and still watched him die for 5 minutes. I didn't feel bad about it for a second. I was too busy wiping the shit out of my drawers!
 
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I is awaitin' Boss! Did you happen to sample any Eland whilst you were there? It was by far the best meat we had during our adventure.
 
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It looked like a good ethical kill to me. It's pretty hard to kill anything without pain and suffering wouldn't you say. What do you think happens when a Lion or any other predator for that matter kills it's prey.
 
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As promised here is the Eland video. It's kinda long but we ran after this thing forever. Man they can cover some ground in a hurry. Sorry for all the heavy breathing. I left plenty of bloopers in there for you guys.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJoplin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cory you don't typically shoot something in the head like that. You do when he is trying to kill you and he is at 5 yards. People will never understand what it takes to kill one of those until they have stood there face to face and tried to kill one. If you wound him without breaking down his skeletal structure he is coming to kill you period. It's different when your ass is on the line trust me. To second all that who wants to put a 600g projectile through the head of something they just paid that much money for. I've seen what it does if you hit the boss. It's not real pretty. The shot in the rear is to break his spine to insure he can't stand up when he gets there. As a matter of fact we shoot him again knowing he is pretty much dead just to make sure. I shot mine 6 times from 20 to 5 yards and still watched him die for 5 minutes. I didn't feel bad about it for a second.
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I definitely wouldn't go for a head shot regardless, as hard as a boss is you take a chance at a ricochet and just wounding it even with the heavy hitters, and yeah you would definitely fuck up the mount right good.. One down through the neck though shouldn't hurt the mount and would take out its nervous system. Thats what I would have done.

Never been to Africa though and certainly never tried to shoot a cape so I have no experience which it like you do, just what I've seen on TV and videos such as yours, but that is what I would do if I did go. I hate to see an animal suffer but if there's nothing you can do about it then it is what it is.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was too busy wiping the shit out of my drawers!</div></div>

Sounds like me if I ever when the lottery. First thing I'm gonna have to buy is a new pair of manties, and it won't be by choice.
 
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The main thing you have to do is brake them down. My first shot went into the neck because I hit some vegetation. Everything is thick over there. I didn't want to hit him in the neck but it happened. That being said it didn't even phase him. There is a huge amount of muscle in the neck and the spine is at the bottom of it all. My shot's entry point was behind the boss and went on an upward angle. That's how we knew it was a ricochet. There is no way a bullet could have hit there without going through the boss unless it came in on an upward angle. We spent the next 3 hours tracking him through grass so thick you couldn't see past 10 yards at times. You want to talk about pucker factor well that's it! Try that for 3 hours straight. We were sending trackers up trees the size of softball bats just to see in front of us. That's why I don't have mine on film. Andreas refused to bring the camera in. He was seriously concerned for our safety and even tried to talk us out of coming in but that's what I was there for so there wasn't a decision to be made on my part. All the BS being said I'll say it again. If you don't brake these things down they will come to kill you. You have to take the safe shot at all times. You only shoot for the head we he is inside of 10 yards and coming to kill you and you have to make that shot count because the closest hospital is a 2 hour flight on a bush plane once they get you out of the bush and a plane on the ground. Your odds of survival from a serious injury are slim. Our tracker's head was in a lion's mouth when they shot him off, a leopard bit him in the shoulder and broke his arm, and a buffalo broke all his ribs. The only thing that saved him was the two trees he got in between.This all happened years before he came to work with Andreas. I would say there is a lucky horseshoe in his ass somewhere.
 
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Jered,
Were you as impressed as much as I was with the trackers skills while you were there?
 
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The trackers were the most amazing thing about the entire trip for my. It's almost like watching a Hollywood movie. I'm looking at this guys like he's crazy when he tells me "we are 30 mins behind them", "We are 15 mins behind them", and "be careful we are going to bump them any second". That and watching them follow one buffalo through a herd of 200 that they crossed paths with at one point.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJoplin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The trackers were the most amazing thing about the entire trip for my. It's almost like watching a Hollywood movie. I'm looking at this guys like he's crazy when he tells me "we are 30 mins behind them", "We are 15 mins behind them", and "be careful we are going to bump them any second". That and watching them follow one buffalo through a herd of 200 that they crossed paths with at one point.

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Those were my thoughts exactly while I was there! I wish I could spend time with them just to learn tracking skills from them. It was amazing!
 
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I just got back from south Africa. The amount of animals there is amazing. I'm going to plan a hunting again there soon. Awesome video!
 
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This is a video of a young male feeding on our bait. He's big but there is an older male with him that's much better. We ended up laying off these lions after finding the cubs. Killing the big male insures the death of the young cubs so we let him go.

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Lead flyin', big game diein', We're some blood thirsty bastards.
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What happens to the meat once you kill the animal? I didn`t think you could bring it back to the states.
 
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You certainly won't bring the meat home. What we didn't use for lion bait we feed the camp with. Mainly they fed me but I did allow some of the others to have the scraps.


Here is a video of the Zebra I took:
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I still may tweak the intro but it's still a large improvement.
 
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Once again Jered, awesome video! Thanks for sharing your adventures with us.
 
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I made a few more videos from our hunt and was curious if you guys wanted to see them. I'm making a DVD for my buddy and I and if you guys want I'll post some of them on Facebook and drop them here. Just let me know.
 
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Hunting that Eland looks fun! Looks like that one make you work for him with all that running.
 
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They can cover ground faster than an elk and could clear a 10 ft fence (so Andries said). All I can tell you is plan on running if you are going to even remotely going to try and get close to one.
 
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I'd appreciate any videos you can post here Jered!
Thanks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJoplin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first shots are from the 375 H&H at 200 yards with 2 Barnes 300g solids. You can see the Mannlicher in the very beginning of the video. When we move in close Tom switches to the double. These things don't play games and with the girls there nobody is taking any chances.
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Jered, did you shoot the banded solids or the old standard ones? Also, what other bullets/loads did you use in the 375's?
 
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We had woodleighs that we brought for cats etc. They truly suck on anything but cats and smaller plains game. They are way too soft. However probably the best for kitty cats. The triple shock would be the best all around bar none. The solids we used were whatever crap they had in camp. They looked like the older style. A solid is a solid. I doubt one is any better than the other with one exception and that's having a flat nose so they cut straight. I was like every other dumbass that has never been to Africa and seriously under estimated how tuff the animals would be to put down regardless of what you were throwing at them.

I'm finishing up burning the DVD. When I'm done I can start dumping some stuff on YouTube.
 
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My last trip to SA I used 235gr Barnes TSX in 375 H&H on all the plains game. I had'em scooting at 3000fps, obviously it knocked the crap outta everything I shot. When I get my rifle back from you I'm gonna load and test some of the new 250gr Barnes TTSX. I intend to use them in Namibia next year. I'ma gettin worked up already!
 
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