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Suppressors Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

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I have an AAC SCAR-H SD which I bought a few years ago when they had just been released. Everyone seemd to be talking about how great the MITER system could be for adjusting POI shift. I have a compound question here so please bear with me.

It wasn't until I got my 16" OBR a few weeks ago that I really had a great use for it (before that I used it on a .300blk bolt gun which I shot maybe twice).

I went out to get some initial testing done on the OBR today and while playing around with the MITER system trying to minimize the POI shift, I started to wonder - (my first question)

As far as precision shooting applications go, how much have the suppressors improved in the past few years? Are there any gains to be had by moving up to newer can more specifically designed for precision applications?

Next,

It's too early to say how well this can is going to perform in my application, but It doesn't look tremendously promising. For those who don't know, my can features 5-point multi-start threads which supposedly allow the operator to choose one of 5 setting which yields the smallest POI shift. I have a few things I'm going to test:

- Accuracy both with and without the QD mount

- Accuracy at the setting which yields the least POI shift VS accuracy at the setting which has the tightest lockup (It's a 51 tooth mount and some "settings" yield a tighter lockup or end more precisely on on of the teeth - thus some settings leave the suppressor slightly looser than others.)

- Accuracy with the suppressor VS without (measured against the best results from test 2)

- Lateral "walk" created by the change in settings. Right now even at the best setting I have to adjust POI for both windage and elevation (if only slightly). It would be nice if that weren't so (elevation is understood when you hang a weight on the barrel, but is it normal to have a shift in windage?)


Right now the very limited testing I have done does not yield great consistent results - and consistency is everything. I am beginning to think I would prefer to ditch the MITER system altogether in favor of a lighter QD suppressor that is more dedicated to precision.I have no problem memorizing a POI shift to dial on when I take my can off, so I'm beginning to think the miter system is totally unnecessary, which leads me to my next question -

Are there any members here who have experience with the SCAR-H SD can? What kind of testing or results can you offer me? How do you view the SCAR-H SD in comparison to other suppressors you have owned or used?

FWIW, I found this in the archives about the SCAR-H mount as well:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BachelorJack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again. <span style="font-weight: bold">Do what I tell you.</span>

Here is how to check and see if I know what I'm talking about.

Remove flash hider. Clean crown with patch.

Now shoot gun for groups without flash hider. Did the accuracy return? I bet it did.

Now reinstall flash hider according to how AAC says to. Then shoot for groups.

If the accuracy just went to shit on you it's the flash hider.
<span style="font-weight: bold">
Here is what you need to do to fix it.</span> The inside diameter of the flash hider is called the aperture. Specifically I am talking about the part that is the tightest near the crown. That guy needs to be made bigger. Take it to a gunsmith and have him make it bigger. It should be very easy for him to do. It should be fast and cost very little. But trust me it needs to be bigger.

Assuming you do what I tell you, when you reinstall that bad boy your accuracy problems will have gone away. Feel free to buy me a rum in coke next time you see me. </div></div>

Anyone else have the experience described in that post?
 
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I don't have any direct experience with AAC mounts with respect to changing the accuracy of the host, but there is thread on silencertalk.com where R. Silvers of AAC supplied a mount to a person that wanted to do the test you describe.
There wasn't a resolution, at least in that particular thread, and it may have continued in another.
It's entirely possible that a poorly designed or manufactured muzzle attachment could affect accuracy.

If your primary goal is accuracy, I would suggest looking at the brake mount suppressors from TBAC.
Although the mount isn't technically a QD, it is somewhere between threads and QD in quickness, while the shoulder aspect keeps it tight like a latched QD.
SAS has an interesting quarter turn QD system, as well as brake mount.
 
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A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent.
 
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There is no advancement in having to compensate for a poor POI suppressor by timing a can on a QD mount. It is, at best, a "fix" for a problem caused by poor design and mass production manufacturing tolerances. Can it help a can shooting off axis? Yes it can. After we add the weight of the can, the weight of the QD, the secure mounting of the QD, etc. one most likely will need something to correct all the tolerances involved. There is nothing wrong with QD cans, but like machine gun cans, they have their scope of design and limitations. Every can design does.

If your end game is precision shooting and POI shift is of paramount importance, get a great can, toss all things QD, thread on, shoot. All the rest is, imo, mental masterbation.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent. </div></div>

That is actually very INaccurate statement. Ever shot with their new 90t mounts? The MK13 cans are insanely accurate and they lockup is much better then the 51t mounts. After some quick fitting my 51t mounts all lock up tight. One of my most accurate rifles wears a 51t 762SD. My 6XC wears the 762SD-N6 and its a laser of a rifle.
 
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this is why i ONLY have thread on cans......screw some quick detach...i think 90% of people really don't need it, and just buy it because it's tacticooler
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent. </div></div>

That is actually very INaccurate statement. Ever shot with their new 90t mounts? The MK13 cans are insanely accurate and they lockup is much better then the 51t mounts. After some quick fitting my 51t mounts all lock up tight. One of my most accurate rifles wears a 51t 762SD. My 6XC wears the 762SD-N6 and its a laser of a rifle. </div></div>

That is awesome!
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Mean while, others in the know choose better products...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is why i ONLY have thread on cans......screw some quick detach...i think 90% of people really don't need it, and just buy it because it's tacticooler </div></div>

I was under the same impression. After ordering a 30P-1, I was able to put my hands on a 30BA. While it is not as tacticool, it offers a very solid lock up. The Surefire QD systems are nice also.

They are out there, just need to shop around and compare. If you have several hosts, a nice QD system for one can is the way to go. Personally, I would like to have several cans, lol.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is why i ONLY have thread on cans......screw some quick detach...i think 90% of people really don't need it, and just buy it because it's tacticooler </div></div>

I was under the same impression. After ordering a 30P-1, I was able to put my hands on a 30BA. While it is not as tacticool, it offers a very solid lock up. The Surefire QD systems are nice also.

They are out there, just need to shop around and compare. If you have several hosts, a nice QD system for one can is the way to go. Personally, I would like to have several cans, lol. </div></div>

The surefire QD system seems very good. Do you have experience with it?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent. </div></div>

That is actually very INaccurate statement. Ever shot with their new 90t mounts? The MK13 cans are insanely accurate and they lockup is much better then the 51t mounts. After some quick fitting my 51t mounts all lock up tight. One of my most accurate rifles wears a 51t 762SD. My 6XC wears the 762SD-N6 and its a laser of a rifle. </div></div>



That is awesome!
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Mean while, others in the know choose better products... </div></div>

I have a feeling Kys338 is in the know. He has more suppressors than most peopEl ever dream to have..
I have no accuracy problems with my AAC 7.62 sd with the 51t mount.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is why i ONLY have thread on cans......screw some quick detach...i think 90% of people really don't need it, and just buy it because it's tacticooler </div></div>

I was under the same impression. After ordering a 30P-1, I was able to put my hands on a 30BA. While it is not as tacticool, it offers a very solid lock up. The Surefire QD systems are nice also.

They are out there, just need to shop around and compare. If you have several hosts, a nice QD system for one can is the way to go. Personally, I would like to have several cans, lol. </div></div>

The surefire QD system seems very good. Do you have experience with it?
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No shooting experience but have played with one to see how the fit was. For a true QD system, SF or Gemtech would be my choices.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent. </div></div>

That is actually very INaccurate statement. Ever shot with their new 90t mounts? The MK13 cans are insanely accurate and they lockup is much better then the 51t mounts. After some quick fitting my 51t mounts all lock up tight. One of my most accurate rifles wears a 51t 762SD. My 6XC wears the 762SD-N6 and its a laser of a rifle. </div></div>



That is awesome!
crazy.gif
Mean while, others in the know choose better products... </div></div>

I have a feeling Kys338 is in the know. He has more suppressors than most peopEl ever dream to have..
I have no accuracy problems with my AAC 7.62 sd with the 51t mount. </div></div>

That is cool, happy for him. When my hard earned money is on the line, I want the best I can get. I'm already stuck with a over priced element that isn't right so I research a lot more now. aac makes a decent thread on, no way in hell I'd be their lab rat for a QD can.
 
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I am lucky mine works great. Never gets loose and shoots little tiny groups
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am lucky mine works great. Never gets loose and shoots little tiny groups </div></div>

Which can do you have?
 
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7.62sd with the 51t mount. I did just order a thunder beast 30p-1 so I can do a comparison in about 10 months!!!
 
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I'm going back to the range tomorrow and I'll hopefully be able to give a full report on the MITER system when I return.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is why i ONLY have thread on cans......screw some quick detach...i think 90% of people really don't need it, and just buy it because it's tacticooler </div></div>

I was under the same impression. After ordering a 30P-1, I was able to put my hands on a 30BA. While it is not as tacticool, it offers a very solid lock up. The Surefire QD systems are nice also.

They are out there, just need to shop around and compare. If you have several hosts, a nice QD system for one can is the way to go. Personally, I would like to have several cans, lol. </div></div>

The surefire QD system seems very good. Do you have experience with it?
</div></div>

No shooting experience but have played with one to see how the fit was. For a true QD system, SF or Gemtech would be my choices. </div></div>

People in the "know" dont pick cans that require a break in period for maximum accuracy. I got fooled with that a couple years ago with the Sandstorm....
 
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KYS - how would you compare the new AAC 90t used on the MK13SD to the mounting system of the surefire FA762SS?

Does the MK13 compare favorable to the FA762SS? They are similarly priced with the AAC can being a few ounces lighter given that it is titanium.

Is it worth waiting to see if surefire releases a titanium version of the FA762SS?
 
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Also, FWIW, I wanted to share something that I have always disliked about this suppressor.

If you look at the endcap, it's obvious that the bore is not centered in the tube. When I talked to AAC about it, they said it's totally normal and that what matters is that the bore is wire-edm'd concentric with the attachment threading.

I'm beginning to think that the offset may be responsible for the lateral walk when adjusting the MITER setting, but I want to test that theory more conclusively after I get other variables locked down.

Here is a picture to demonstrate just how bad it is. It's not a precise measurement obviously, but it's pretty easy to see just with the naked eye that it's significantly offset.
scarhsd.jpg
 
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IMO,

Somebody finally posts a picture that " 'spains" it perfectly.

When your manufacturing process does not stack your armature for C/L precision, but rather welds everything up and then reams/cuts/wires the bore way, you can get something that looks like this.

In other words, AFTER it is all built, in the last step prior to finishing it off and throwing it in a box, you rack your can on and you follow from the coupler to the end baffle and simply hog an "alignment" bore through. It is that offset, compounded by every other attachment allowance and clearance that is the nature of QD. It is not that a QD can cannot or will not be capable of being made to minimize POI shift, it is rather that most are not making QD cans with THAT as a goal. Of course this has consequences, of course this is not paramount, of course this not how a precision can is made.

Great photo, thanks for posting it. Up on the wall of suppressor delights it goes. The good news? You won't be hitting your baffles, The bad news? A few cm more and you could have strapped it on a Winchester and used the iron sites..damn.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KYS - how would you compare the new AAC 90t used on the MK13SD to the mounting system of the surefire FA762SS?

Does the MK13 compare favorable to the FA762SS? They are similarly priced with the AAC can being a few ounces lighter given that it is titanium.

Is it worth waiting to see if surefire releases a titanium version of the FA762SS? </div></div>The `90T Ratchet Mount' of the MK13-SD has only a slight taper, compared to the `90T Ratchet Taper' mount of the SR5 and 7, so the newer system would have better alignment.
Surefire does make a titanium FA762K-T.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KYS - how would you compare the new AAC 90t used on the MK13SD to the mounting system of the surefire FA762SS?

Does the MK13 compare favorable to the FA762SS? They are similarly priced with the AAC can being a few ounces lighter given that it is titanium.

Is it worth waiting to see if surefire releases a titanium version of the FA762SS? </div></div>

Suppression is better on the MK13.
Mounting system still goes to SF, you just can't beat how fast it is and no POI shift.
Price point..... SF is still higher, a 7.62 for nearly $2k vs a Ti QD can built for 300WM for around $1650-1700. I think that part is clear you are getting more for your money with the AAC.

So far I am really impresssed with this suppressor. Its on my 284 right now and performing well. Accuracry, POI shift, noise reduction, and construction are all top grade. The lockup is solid and I did not have to modify the brake like I did with my 51t models.

If you wait for SF to release a Ti model of the 762SS be prepared to spend $3k or more. I can not justify that in a 30 cal suppressor at all, they are already high dollar. Honestly if you put them both in front of me and said you can only have one pick which one it is.... I would go Surefire. Their attachment method and no change in POI from going back and forth between suppressed and non suppressed is the winner. They aren't the lightest but they are fine. I like the ones I have but do not care for the price tag OR the hefty wait times in getting them to your dealer.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">KYS - how would you compare the new AAC 90t used on the MK13SD to the mounting system of the surefire FA762SS?

Does the MK13 compare favorable to the FA762SS? They are similarly priced with the AAC can being a few ounces lighter given that it is titanium.

Is it worth waiting to see if surefire releases a titanium version of the FA762SS? </div></div>

Suppression is better on the MK13.
Mounting system still goes to SF, you just can't beat how fast it is and no POI shift.
Price point..... SF is still higher, a 7.62 for nearly $2k vs a Ti QD can built for 300WM for around $1650-1700. I think that part is clear you are getting more for your money with the AAC.

So far I am really impresssed with this suppressor. Its on my 284 right now and performing well. Accuracry, POI shift, noise reduction, and construction are all top grade. The lockup is solid and I did not have to modify the brake like I did with my 51t models.

If you wait for SF to release a Ti model of the 762SS be prepared to spend $3k or more. I can not justify that in a 30 cal suppressor at all, they are already high dollar. Honestly if you put them both in front of me and said you can only have one pick which one it is.... I would go Surefire. Their attachment method and no change in POI from going back and forth between suppressed and non suppressed is the winner. They aren't the lightest but they are fine. I like the ones I have but do not care for the price tag OR the hefty wait times in getting them to your dealer.
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Thank you, that's extremely useful information. Your experience only confirms my hunch as to which can would suit me best. The FA762SS. Obviously I need to do more research and testing with the SCAR-H SD but I think I will be ditching it in favor of the surefire. The mounting precision and repeatability of POI shift and the most important factors to me.
 
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You can imagine how scary it was to unbox my suppressor and look at the end cap to see that...<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMO,

Somebody finally posts a picture that " 'spains" it perfectly.

When your manufacturing process does not stack your armature for C/L precision, but rather welds everything up and then reams/cuts/wires the bore way, you can get something that looks like this.

In other words, AFTER it is all built, in the last step prior to finishing it off and throwing it in a box, you rack your can on and you follow from the coupler to the end baffle and simply hog an "alignment" bore through. It is that offset, compounded by every other attachment allowance and clearance that is the nature of QD. It is not that a QD can cannot or will not be capable of being made to minimize POI shift, it is rather that most are not making QD cans with THAT as a goal. Of course this has consequences, of course this is not paramount, of course this not how a precision can is made.

Great photo, thanks for posting it. Up on the wall of suppressor delights it goes. The good news? You won't be hitting your baffles, The bad news? A few cm more and you could have strapped it on a Winchester and used the iron sites..damn.

</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it worth waiting to see if surefire releases a titanium version of the FA762SS? </div></div>
I did talk to Mr. Garin Lee in June 2011(Memphis Shoot) and April 2012(Dallas Shoot) about this subject. Great guy. He had mentioned that the production of the Ti suppressors were taking a back seat to the production of the new SOCOM 556 and 762 suppressors with the latest technology. Although Surefire had listed Ti suppressors in their catalog at one time, my impression was that the Ti R&D/development/production had been placed on the back burner for now.
No doubt, when they are made, I am sure they will be top notch.

I suggest you contact Surefire for latest status on their Ti suppressors.
 
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SureFire is not currently or has ever sold a titanium suppressor. Right now a lot of our time is going into building our current suppressors and the adaptors for the SOCOM and other suppressors. Our current suppressors are not as light as titanium but they are more durable and for military applications you don't have to worry about the sparks that you usually see with shooting ti cans at night.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chucky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SureFire is not currently or has ever sold a titanium suppressor. Right now a lot of our time is going into building our current suppressors and the adaptors for the SOCOM and other suppressors. Our current suppressors are not as light as titanium but they are more durable and for military applications you don't have to worry about the sparks that you usually see with shooting ti cans at night. </div></div>

Yes sir. Agreed.
It was my understanding, as you stated, they never went into production.
Also, you bring up an excellent subject which rarely gets discussed, "ablative sparking". I completely agree it is a relevant issue with Ti suppressors. It deserves another thread.
 
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Well, I did a bit of testing today and the results are unsatisfactory to say the least.

I tested the rifle with and without the FH as well as with the suppressor.

Here are some of the results:

As you can see, the accuracy is typical of the OBR. It shoots groups like these consistently with the SSA 175SMK factory ammo and I think it can get even better.

The left group was fired without a flash hider, the right group was fired with the QD FH. All groups were fired from bipod/bad.

obrsupptest2.jpg


This is what happened when the suppressor was attached on the MITER setting which yielded the tightest lockup:

obrsupptest1.jpg


You can see just how significant the POI shift as well as the reduction in accuracy. I had to dial the 2nd group a little closer in order to stay on the grid - the first group is representative of the actual POI shift.
 
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You could have a bad flash hider..... but with AAC discontinuing the Scar HD you may be limited in what you can find. Im fairly sure they stopped making them for a reason.

I am also a little worried as to why AAC stopped making the SPR/M4 suppressor. That was one of the nicest 223 cans for a bolt gun I have shot with. I own one on a bolt gun and its accuracy is complimentary of the host rifle and its suppression is amazing. I shoot a lot of 75gr Hornady Superformance and you hear bullet impact more then the rifle going off.
 
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I have a second mount somewhere, I just have to dig it up. I may call AAC to get their take on it. The groups roughly double in size with the suppressor attached which is not acceptable in my book.

Even if it can be improved or doesn't show the same effects on another host, i think I'll sell it for cheap and go ahead with the surefire anyway. It seems like a higher level of quality.
 
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Is this the system that AAC made Military Only?
If so, I don't think they discontinued it but only made it available to the military.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doug S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this the system that AAC made Military Only?
If so, I don't think they discontinued it but only made it available to the military.
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That was true at one point but it's unclear whether or not it is still in production at all. Someone else might be able to answer that question.
 
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Well I'll be dammed. My SDN-6 looks the same. One more reason I won't buy another AAC. Next week I will test my gun in the same way you did. I know I have a POI shift but I never checked for changes in group size. The scope on my .260 is down but I will test it on my LMT and AR.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, FWIW, I wanted to share something that I have always disliked about this suppressor.

If you look at the endcap, it's obvious that the bore is not centered in the tube. When I talked to AAC about it, they said it's totally normal and that what matters is that the bore is wire-edm'd concentric with the attachment threading.

I'm beginning to think that the offset may be responsible for the lateral walk when adjusting the MITER setting, but I want to test that theory more conclusively after I get other variables locked down.

Here is a picture to demonstrate just how bad it is. It's not a precise measurement obviously, but it's pretty easy to see just with the naked eye that it's significantly offset.
scarhsd.jpg


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Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doug S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this the system that AAC made Military Only?
If so, I don't think they discontinued it but only made it available to the military.
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That was true at one point but it's unclear whether or not it is still in production at all. Someone else might be able to answer that question. </div></div>

That is why the 300SD was renamed the MK13. It was picked for a military contract and the ScarHD became obsolete in technology.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Tag for updates since I have a scar can as well...
 
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I suppose I should call AAC and give them a chance to tell me what they think. Ask them if the increase in group size is normal, as well as the less than perfect lockup.

Any bets on what they are gonna tell me?
 
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I would contact Mike Mers and ask him what he thinks can be done. Its worth the phone call.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose I should call AAC and give them a chance to tell me what they think. Ask them if the increase in group size is normal, as well as the less than perfect lockup.

Any bets on what they are gonna tell me? </div></div>

What is the issue with the lockup?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose I should call AAC and give them a chance to tell me what they think. Ask them if the increase in group size is normal, as well as the less than perfect lockup.

Any bets on what they are gonna tell me? </div></div>

What is the issue with the lockup? </div></div>

Read his previous posts. The Miter mount has some issues with spacing in between the rifles barrel and the blast baffles of the brake. They also are not known for their lockup. I would suspect right off the bat, he has a faulty brake and needs a replacement.
 
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Thats odd. I have an M42K and 6 mounts. Some lock down tight...some have a little wobble with the last tooth not quite clicking over. None have accuracy issues. Additionally, all got tighter with carbon buildup.

I don't think the wobble is as much of an issue as people make it out to be. Functionally, I believe the bullet is gone before the can moves anyway?

The baffles in a SCAR can are symetrical and I don't see anything that would cause accuracy issues in terms of what I know about design and gas flow...so it should work. The only downside would be weight as it is heavy.

I am sure there is a mountain of data on this subject from the military...wonder what their test results came out with.
 
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As stated...... the issue may not be the can at all but the muzzle brake itself.
 
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There is no such thing as a Brake for this can. The only version ever built was the flash hider with the three prongs.

I don't have the schematic in front of me, but I believe it indexes off the muzzle and from that end, is pretty solid...

Do pronged/open type flash hiders generally cause accuracy issues? It doesn't appear so in the pics above?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I suppose I should call AAC and give them a chance to tell me what they think. Ask them if the increase in group size is normal, as well as the less than perfect lockup.

Any bets on what they are gonna tell me? </div></div>

What is the issue with the lockup? </div></div>

Read his previous posts. The Miter mount has some issues with spacing in between the rifles barrel and the blast baffles of the brake. They also are not known for their lockup. I would suspect right off the bat, he has a faulty brake and needs a replacement. </div></div>

well, here's the deal - I tested the lockup with my other mount and it's no different. The problem isn't so much the fact that it's currently indexed from the muzzle instead of the shoulder(larue threads are .750 and AAC female threads are .6xx) but the fact that it doesn't lockup tight on the last tooth when the supressor is installed.

Imagine this - there are 5 settings (multi-start threading) - they sort of rotate the POI shift around as you change between them. On one setting, the can locks up "fairly" tight. However, that setting isn't the best one for reducing POI shift. The other settings (as you move on past the tightest one) get progressively looser. Basically the multi-start threads aren't perfectly timed with the mounting teeth to achieve a tight lockup on every setting.

Whether or not the loose lockup is causing the accuracy issues I can't say. I'll do more evaluation on friday between the tightest and loosest settings. I might make a video later to demonstrate.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no such thing as a Brake for this can. The only version ever built was the flash hider with the three prongs.

I don't have the schematic in front of me, but I believe it indexes off the muzzle and from that end, is pretty solid...

Do pronged/open type flash hiders generally cause accuracy issues? It doesn't appear so in the pics above?

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The FH alone showed very little difference in the size of the groups - if anything it made them slightly better (very small sample size)
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

So, new list of things to do

- call AAC and ask them if they have any experience with the problem

- Shoot groups comparing my other mount with the one that is verified to cause poor accuracy with can attached

- Shoot groups on the tightest and loosest MITER settings on both mounts and compare groups

Any other suggestions?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Remove the flash hider and reshoot your groups. If they are good, the flash hider IS THE PROBLEM.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
People in the "know" dont pick cans that require a break in period for maximum accuracy. I got fooled with that a couple years ago with the Sandstorm....
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Are you talking about Gemtech? My buddy has a Sandstorm on the way, after owning 2 G5s and some Outback's he had his mind made up. I love the QD system on the G5s.

We are going to compare his Sandstorm to my 30P-1 once the time comes.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would contact Mike Mers and ask him what he thinks can be done. Its worth the phone call. </div></div>

+1 on calling Mike, he seems to be getting those guys back on track.
 
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I have 2 Sandstorms, a G5 and a Tundra. Both my Sandstorms had to have 400-500 rounds on them to lose the first shot being thrown 3" off my zero. It was extremely annoying and I could never gauge my first round hits because I didnt know what the can felt like doing that day. After the 500 rounds it has stopped doing it. Nice can but I think it leaves some room for design improvement. I know they had some major recalls on welding on some of their cans. Sandstorm was in there. Have your buddy check his serial number with them.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, new list of things to do

- call AAC and ask them if they have any experience with the problem

- Shoot groups comparing my other mount with the one that is verified to cause poor accuracy with can attached

- Shoot groups on the tightest and loosest MITER settings on both mounts and compare groups

Any other suggestions? </div></div>

Fire 50 rounds through it with the can mounted and the carbon will build up to eliminate some of the wobble.

It did on my 5.56 gun anyway...