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Suppressors Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remove the flash hider and reshoot your groups. If they are good, the flash hider IS THE PROBLEM. </div></div>

You can see in the eaier tests where I did just that. The FH alone does not hurt the accuracy.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Fire 50 rounds through it with the can mounted and the carbon will build up to eliminate some of the wobble.

It did on my 5.56 gun anyway... </div></div>

That's a good idea. Thanks.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 346ci</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A aac QD can and "precision" won't be in the same sentence, they could not build a good QD system to save their ass. There are several other brands out there that perform better if accuracy and zero POI are your goal. If you just want to blast, they will be decent. </div></div>

That is actually very INaccurate statement. Ever shot with their new 90t mounts? The MK13 cans are insanely accurate and they lockup is much better then the 51t mounts. After some quick fitting my 51t mounts all lock up tight. One of my most accurate rifles wears a 51t 762SD. My 6XC wears the 762SD-N6 and its a laser of a rifle. </div></div>



That is awesome!
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Mean while, others in the know choose better products... </div></div>

I have a feeling Kys338 is in the know. He has more suppressors than most peopEl ever dream to have..
I have no accuracy problems with my AAC 7.62 sd with the 51t mount. </div></div>

And I have no accuracy issues with the previous Gen 18T mount 762SD repeatable and has had 1000's of rounds through it.

I will agree with others though, that I think there are more functional lockup QD systems out there.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

My SOT has a Quicksand on his 700, it didn't sell itself when I could move the exit end around slightly, so I went with the RSTA instead.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remove the flash hider and reshoot your groups. If they are good, the flash hider IS THE PROBLEM. </div></div>

You can see in the eaier tests where I did just that. The FH alone does not hurt the accuracy. </div></div>

Well all of your information is scattered and slightly confusing.

So you did shoot the rifle with the flash hider off the rifle? Yes or no?

Or

You shot the rifle with just the flash hider and no suppressor? Yes or no?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: p951951951t</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remove the flash hider and reshoot your groups. If they are good, the flash hider IS THE PROBLEM. </div></div>

You can see in the eaier tests where I did just that. The FH alone does not hurt the accuracy. </div></div>

Well all of your information is scattered and slightly confusing.

So you did shoot the rifle with the flash hider off the rifle? Yes or no?

Or

You shot the rifle with just the flash hider and no suppressor? Yes or no? </div></div>

yes and yes. Look at post #3428049 where I posted the targets I shot.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Handloads or factory ammo? </div></div>

Also in that post: 175gr SSA factory ammo was used in all the tests.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Well, I talked to AAC. I'm both impressed and disappointed.

They told me that 1-1.5moa groups were pretty normal for the SCAR-H can, even though the host is capable of much better. It's a heavy suppressor that was never really imagined in a precision role.

I was impressed with the honesty (IE - not instantly blaming the rifle or the shooter for the accuracy issues) but I am disappointed with the suppressor now. I suppose I am going to either sell it or live with the (IMO) below par accuracy.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

I wonder what the reason would be for the accuracy issue?
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what the reason would be for the accuracy issue? </div></div>

I can't directly quote him honestly, but it involved the terms "weight", "quick-detach" and "barrel harmonics"

Honestly, I didn't push him for an answer because he probably isn't the engineer who developed the can, and just knowing that this level of accuracy is normal was enough for me.

I think it must have something to do with the design of the MITER mounting system. It could possibly be related to the way in which the suppressor applies the forces generated by the weight of the can (in comparison to end mount systems), combined with the play that is present even at max lockup. I don't mean the way it applies to the barrel, which is the same. I mean the way the suppressor actually presents it's load to the surfaces of the FH. The mount actually contacts the suppressor in two places.


Honestly without doing a thorough analysis that is beyond the scope of my patience and ability, I can only make assumptions.

That being said, one thing is certain: The performance is not up to my standards and I'll be purchasing a different can in all likelihood.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

IF it matters, the MK 13 can is awesome on a 30 cal weapon. The 90 Tooth mount is rock solid.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

The mk13 looks cool, but I'm probably going to go with a surefire since they have been around a bit longer and have a solid rep for accuracy and repeatability.

My usual dealer has a few FA762Ks in stock. I'm going to check those out.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what the reason would be for the accuracy issue? </div></div>

This has been answered......

Weight of the suppressor is hurting the barrel harmonics.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder what the reason would be for the accuracy issue? </div></div>

This has been answered......

Weight of the suppressor is hurting the barrel harmonics. </div></div>

I'm not so sure that barrel harmonics is the answer. I'm not an expert on the subject so take that for what it's worth. I wouldn't say that's a definitive explanation.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

On the plus side, you can likely sell it on fn forum quick to the guys with scar heavy rifles...they are always looking.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

I'll have to see what they are going for.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Not to be the bearer of bad news but a used suppressor on a form 4 in your state is going to be a hard sale. If you transfer it out of state..... its going to cost you $200.00 on top of what you ask. Maybe you will get lucky and sell it in state.

There is a reason why you don't see a lot of used suppressors for sale.
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Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

I know how difficult it is to sell used cans. You just have to set the price low enough. Since this can would be of no use to me once I get another (no other platform fit to use it on) I'll simply sell it for what I can get.

I'm going to toy around a bit to see if I can't make it a bit better first.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Find a good gunsmith and have them tune it. It can be done but takes a person who really knows what they are doing and some time!
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

Interesting post, I'm sorry I caught it a month late.
I also own a SCAR H SD, and have mounted and put it to good use on several bolt action and gas operated rifles... First things first, looking at the name alone, the SCAR H SD was not designed for a bolt action rifle or true "precision" rifle, but a 7.62 assault rifle, it was built to be durable. Secondly, the MITER system does very little to "tune" a rifle, I don't, and have never, shot more accurate groups on one setting over another, what it does do is give you a reference point, so that you mount the can in the exact same point every time, and it works, I have a fantastically repeatable suppressed POI shift. With that being said, I was surprised to see your groups, because both of my APA bolt actions shoot terrible with the bare 3 prong flashhider. When Jared produced my last rifle I asked them to shoot it with a bare muzzle before mounting the 3-prong and it shot .17 in, then opened up to .4 in with the miter mount, which for a 4,800$ rifle is terrible (luckily with the suppressor in place it drops back into the .10's) SO, my overall theory was that the 3 prong design while suppressing flash, either negatively impacts the harmonics or the prongs themselves disturb the even dispersion of gases exiting the muzzle in turn disturbing the projectile.... So, you're pictures somewhat differ from my tests...
All that crap being said, your suppressed groups are F-ing atrocious and I would be upset that an $1800 attachment to a $3200 rifle ruins your accuracy. I have ran mine on a JP LRP 7 with a similar barrel contour with no issues so I really really suspect the manufacturing, my muzzle has a perfectly centered bore thankfully but I can't fathom how having one that is <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> centered would <span style="font-weight: bold">not</span> effect the accuracy of the rifle, uneven dispersion of gas, uneven temps, all sorts of uneven shananigans... thats not the ideal environment for the exit of the projectile.
I wish I was stateside right now, I would love to figure out a way to exchange cans and see what would happen, hit me up in a month if you're really bored! I would continue conversing with AAC, I own a variety of cans from the big manufacturers and personally have never had a bad experience with their customer service, or, sell the darn thing. I honestly can't see what could be done to "tune" your rifle as it seems to be running just fine sans suppressor. I do not have a degree in fluid engineering so if I have violated some rule of nerd physics with my theory I apologize.... theres my 10 cents.
 
Re: Recent advances in suppressor design/AAC SCAR-H SD

My SCAR-H has NO IMPACT on the accuracy of the Rem 5R if use it on.
Great groups and coudn't be happier.
Funy thing, when at SHOT last year, I mentioned the SCAR-H and they said that was not their best can but specifically developed for the FN SCAR plarform.
They said the new SD can had better sound reduction and all around performance.
My take, as long as it works, I could care less if it is the best can out there. Technology will always inprove and it costs allot to stay at the front of it.

Doug S Happy SCAR-H owner