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SPS Tactical Stock: HS Precision Pro/B&C Medalist?

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I have a Remington 700 SPS Tactical 20" and I want a new stock. The it shoots sub MOA with the Hogue stock, but Im thinking I can get less that .5MOA as the stock touches the barrel on the bipod. I think Im gonna go with the HS Precision Pro but I like the look of the B&C Medalist. I like the fact that I might not have to bed the action on the HS.
Which would you choose and why and what are your experience with each?
 
Re: SPS Tactical Stock: HS Precision Pro/B&C Medalist?

I have the B&C Medalist Tact A3 Hook on my R700 TACT. I love the stock you wont go wrong and with the money you save you can dump into ammo.
 
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I say HS only because thats what I have. In all actuality, try for whatever shows up at the best price in the PX. I got lucky and paid $150 for mine.
 
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I put the HS on mine and got much better results than stock. I don't think you can go wrong either way as you should see improvement with both.
 
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Check your PM's
 
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I installed the Bell & Carlson Medalist M40 style on my Remington 700 SPS Varmint 223rem. Skim bedded it. Groups shrunk. Real happy with it.
 
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I have mine in the H.S. PSS style, not sure if that the same as the pro, and skim bedded it with devcon. It is quite nice, but lately I find myself looking at the B&C light tactical (butt hook) with envy. I see one of these in my near future.

The ONLY thing I don't like about the H.S. is the grip angle and how it now feels after seeing and using lowlight's lesson on proper trigger pull, it would also be nice to have the extra 1/4" LOP that the B&C comes standard with... I don’t know if the B&C will be any better on the grip angle or not. If any has both please advise.

I did own the standard tactical medalist and I liked the feel of that but hated the flat forearm so much I sold it. If they were to ever change that feature I would likely get another. Ya, I know I could have modified it but I don’t like the idea of going through the fiber shell.
 
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I have the hs on a 5r and the b&c light tack on a sps 22-250 both shoot great I prefer the B&c no palm swell just feels better to me
 
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The B&C light tactical has the full length bedding block just like the hs
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wmr264</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the hs on a 5r and the b&c light tack on a sps 22-250 both shoot great I prefer the B&c no palm swell just feels better to me </div></div>

wmr, can you tell me if the grip angle is the same on those two or is the b&c a little more forward, say like a mcmillan or manners (tactical lines) pistol grip.
 
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HS. Then again Ive never liked BC stocks. And, no, it doesn't even matter that Les Baer uses them on his over-priced tactical rifles. lol
 
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I like the B&C Medalist Varmint/Tactical stock... looks tits!

I have the HS and its a decent stock with no flex at all.

Either way cant go wrong.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wmr264</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The B&C light tactical has the full length bedding block just like the hs </div></div>


Full length bedding block can mean different things, does the HS actually have a full length chassis from grip to tip?
 
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I have the HS police stock on my SPS Tactical. Very happy with it groups did shrink when I went to this stock. I personally love the palm swell, holds very nice.

I have never held a rifle with the vertical grip like a mcmillian or manners though.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
wmr, can you tell me if the grip angle is the same on those two or is the b&c a little more forward, say like a mcmillan or manners (tactical lines) pistol grip. </div></div>

I've got an HS and the BC m40. I'm pretty sure the M40 grip is the same as the BC light tactical.

The grip on the BC is slightly more forward and more vertical with no swells. It feels so much better than the HS.
The BC has a thicker butt pad, so the LOP is about 1/2" longer too.

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I own both HS and B&C stocks, and I will say that I strongly prefer HS in general. They seem to be a better drop-in fit out of the box than the B&C, and they include screws. If the B&C stock doesn't fit with standard screws, you'll have to order them separately.

The HS just seems to be better quality.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Niles Coyote</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wmr, can you tell me if the grip angle is the same on those two or is the b&c a little more forward, say like a mcmillan or manners (tactical lines) pistol grip. </div></div>

The grip on the Light Tactical and M40 are the same angle and placement. However the grip is longer on the Light Tactical. If you have large hands you may appreciate this.
 
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I've been to H-S twice and watched them make there stocks from start to finish and I must say its all top notch.
 
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I have the B&C on my 308 and 300RUM. They have both worked flawless for me and for the price seemed to be the only option. I didn't have to bed either rifle and both improved tremendously when the stocks were installed.
 
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I don't know. Lots of posts claiming increases in accuracy by getting away from the Hogue stock on the SPS Tactical and most make reference to the stock touching the barrel.

I might be an exception, but I noticed no difference in accuracy when I went to the HS Precision. The HS felt better to me, but I don't think the rifle cared. If you're looking for the groups to shrink down to .25MOA by changing the stock, you may be disappointed. You may be able to shrink the groups just by tweaking your load.

I'm only saying this because I know that cash is scarce all over and the money might be better spent in another department.

That having been said, I think I'm going to try a B&C at some point. I'm struggling trying to decide on whether I'm going to get an AICS chassis, but thats another story. I thinking B&C because the HS that I got is just OK. If I had bought it new, I think I'd be PO'd.

First, when I took my rifle to my smith to have the barrel fitted, he wound up having to shim the action in the back so that the stock wouldn't tweak when I torqued the screws down. Not by much, but he said it needed it. The odd thing is that the back of my action (I forgot what you call it) rests on the overspray that is coating the rear of the bedding block. If that wasn't there, he would had to have shimmed it a lot more to make the action sit in the stock right.

The second thing is that my swivel studs are loose. I had assumed that they were threaded into the aluminum block, but apparently they aren't. I can't tighten them, so now I'm just waiting for one of them to get pulled out by the bipod.

The palm swells also feel large to me. I've gotten used to it, but it is readily apparent to me whenever I shoot another rifle and then come back to mine.
 
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If you go hs check out the 5r stock or the m24 stocks.
If you are not looking to spend more than $250 i would go with b&c they have really nice stocks for the money.

The only reason i say this is that the 2 lower end hs tocks i have owned had flaws(biggest was the action screw piller wholes were drilled off center) and the higher end stocks pst025 ans pst11 m24 just felt better also the finish was more durable. But the sling studs were drilled off center on every one ive owned but on the two higher end models they were in a strait line and the pss stocks were not might have just been bad luck though but a nice excuse to spend more $.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
First, when I took my rifle to my smith to have the barrel fitted, he wound up having to shim the action in the back so that the stock wouldn't tweak when I torqued the screws down. Not by much, but he said it needed it. The odd thing is that the back of my action (I forgot what you call it) rests on the overspray that is coating the rear of the bedding block. If that wasn't there, he would had to have shimmed it a lot more to make the action sit in the stock right.</div></div>

Take it to another smith. It sounds like the one you used didn't do much more than tighten a couple screws. If you action is shimmed and the tang is floating on a piece of coating then I am not surprised that you didn't see an accuracy increase.
 
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Bud, my barrel was fitted by Don Geraci. If you don't know who that is, Google him. He knows what he's doing.

BTW, I did go and look at it again. It isn't shimmed on the over spray. Just between the action and aluminum.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TonyAngel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bud, my barrel was fitted by Don Geraci. If you don't know who that is, Google him. He knows what he's doing.

BTW, I did go and look at it again. It isn't shimmed on the over spray. Just between the action and aluminum. </div></div>

Lets just say that if I had a match armorer work on my rifle and it came back not shooting any better with shims and crap in the stock I would not be satisfied with the job.

Now if it came back with pieces of Pabst cans in the block and it shot the lights out, I wouldn't give a shit. Consistent results matter. Anything else is just window dressing.
 
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B&C: I dont believe that I could get any better groups with the HS than I do with my B&C
 
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LoneWolf, if you read my first post, you'll find that I said that I didn't NOTICE any difference in accuracy (as a practical matter). What I find really odd is that you made a bold statement and a derogatory remark about my smith without even first asking who the smith was or how the rifle was shooting before the new stock and after.

Since I personally know that my smith has built more than a couple of rifles capable of shooting consistently in the zeros, I'll take his word at matters that concern my rifle.

As far as my not seeing any increase in accuracy, it's probably because the rifle is capable of shooting better than I can. Before the stock swap, the little SPS was shooting very consistent .5s at 100 yards with frequent groups in the .2s and .3s. I really don't think that not seeing an improvement over what it was shooting before the stock swap is anything to get my panties in a bunch about. It was shooting good before and it continued to shoot the same (for me) as it did before.

I was merely trying to convey to the OP that his situation may be similar to mine. If this is the case, then getting a new stock may not get him the result he's looking for (better accuracy); hence the reference to the money being better spent in another department. I'm sure that you are aware that finding that perfect load can easily cost as much as a B&C or HS pull off. As you said, it's the results that matter and I was suggesting that getting the results that the OP was after may lie in an area other than the stock.
 
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Here's a pic of my SPS Tactical 308 in an HS Precision!

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BTW, I should have added this....I was at the range last weekend and a guy was there with a pretty tricked out 700 in .308. With all of the stuff that he had on it, I assumed that he was running a McMillan or Manners (I don't know the stuff well enough to tell). Anyway, I went up to him and started talking to him and asked him about this stock. He kind of chuckled and said, "no, it's a B&C." He let me pop a couple of rounds off with it and it felt good. My only complaint (I don't know how or why) is that the rear end of the rifle felt light. It didn't have that "planted" feel when I shouldered it.

If/when I get one, I'm probably going to put the chop saw to it to get the pad off and load the hollow area up with spent primers or something and seal it off with a Limbsaver. I guess I'll see. It could very well have been my imagination.
 
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I haven't owned a B&C but only handled them. With that being said I haven't read any poor reviews so they must be doing something right for the money.

I do know and have had many HS Precision stocks. For me and my experience, bang for the buck when buying used HS is the choice for me. They are typically very reasonable priced and the ones I have bought second hand have been great. Usually $200 give or take a few dollars either way.

The only time I replaced an HS with a different make was when going from an adjustable LOP HS (M24 style but short action) to a McMillan HGT M40A1 with adjustable cheek.

The PSS stock from HS isn't for everyone though as the palm swell can be a bit much but the LTR and 5R stocks are usually a good universal fit for most folks.

My preference if you can find a good deal is McMillan. I know it's not on the OP's list but it's a good option if you can track one down. They do come up for sale at a fair price now and again.

All the same barreled action, just at different stages of "progress".

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or my wifes SPS-T 308 at the time sporting a McMillan HGT M40A1 in urban camo.

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Just my opinion.

Todd
 
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Can I request another selection for the poll? How about a I'm not qualified to answer the question but would like to know what others think without skewing the results one way or the other. You've got it set so we cannot see the results without voting, but a noob like me really isn't qualified to vote!!!

Not trying to hijack the thread, or start a debate just making a suggestion.

Slayer
 
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I like them both. I just got a M40 B&C for a SPS 243 Varmint and it fit like a glove. HS is a great stock as well. I have 1 308 5r and 2 223 5rs with the HS. They are both great for the price.

B&C M40 new - $206
HS new - $300 or used for $200

John
 
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I didn't vote either way, since I do like (on an overall) my HS Precision stock, but I did just order a B&C M40 to try out. The slightly more forward and vertical grip is what sparked my interest.

I'll follow up after the first range session. If I don't like it, you'll be able to make a good deal on a slightly used B&C M40.
 
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OK, I just got my B&C M40 in. Although I haven't taken it to the range yet, I can make a few observations. First, the grip is skinny. Kind of reminds me of the grip on an LTR stock. I might even say too skinny. The second thing is that there is a lot of flat area on this stock. Holding the rifle for off hand shooting feels like holding a 2X4. The HS stock is much more comfortable, as a whole.

I'm going to wait until after my first range session to cast a verdict, but so far, I'm liking the HS stock better.
 
Re: SPS Tactical Stock: HS Precision Pro/B&C Medalist?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 308Shooter1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a Remington 700 SPS Tactical 20" and I want a new stock. The it shoots sub MOA with the Hogue stock, but Im thinking I can get less that .5MOA as the stock touches the barrel on the bipod. I think Im gonna go with the HS Precision Pro but I like the look of the B&C Medalist. I like the fact that I might not have to bed the action on the HS.
Which would you choose and why and what are your experience with each? </div></div>

How about Manners t4?
 
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Anyone decide anything?!?! The suspense is killing me.! I'm trying to choose between these two stocks too, and maybe a B&C A5...I like a rounded foregrip and the two swivel mount, but i do most of my shooting prone so i won't be holding the front very often. Which grip is better?
 
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I like the B&C better than the HS. The grip feels much better to me. B&C is really a good bang for your buck. You should also really consider getting your rifle glass bedded in whatever stock you choose. That will enhance your accuracy.

Good luck.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr15match</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't owned a B&C but only handled them. With that being said I haven't read any poor reviews so they must be doing something right for the money.

I do know and have had many HS Precision stocks. For me and my experience, bang for the buck when buying used HS is the choice for me. They are typically very reasonable priced and the ones I have bought second hand have been great. Usually $200 give or take a few dollars either way.

The only time I replaced an HS with a different make was when going from an adjustable LOP HS (M24 style but short action) to a McMillan HGT M40A1 with adjustable cheek.

The PSS stock from HS isn't for everyone though as the palm swell can be a bit much but the LTR and 5R stocks are usually a good universal fit for most folks.

My preference if you can find a good deal is McMillan. I know it's not on the OP's list but it's a good option if you can track one down. They do come up for sale at a fair price now and again.

All the same barreled action, just at different stages of "progress".

700Ph.jpg

DSC_0014-1.jpg

DSCN0735-Copy.jpg


or my wifes SPS-T 308 at the time sporting a McMillan HGT M40A1 in urban camo.

DSCN0725-Copy.jpg


Just my opinion.

Todd</div></div>

Quick Question. On your M24 Style HS Stock with the Adjustable Butt. How does it Feel? Does it stay locked in Place? What was your over all Review of this stock? I'm thinking about picking one up just like it from a guy I know. Thanks in Advance!
 
Re: SPS Tactical Stock: HS Precision Pro/B&C Medalist?

FWIW: I like the H-S Precision stock finish and foreend, but I like the B&C Light Tactical grip and hook.
 
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