hey i recently purchased a PTR MSG91 and to say the least im pleased i just dont know what kind of scope i should put on it obviously if i could afford it id go with a S&B or nightforce but i cant im looking for a 5+ magnification in the 5-800 dollar range and im also looking for a mildot reticle other than that i am pretty much open to any optic please help thanks
Rifle Scopes PTR MSG 91
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Re: PTR MSG 91
Why does it have to be mil-dot?
Why does it have to be mil-dot?
Re: PTR MSG 91
Super Sniper 3-9, Bushnell 3-12, Weaver 3-15, Vortex PST series, there are a million options in your price range.
I have the bushnell and I had a super sniper. They both work fine.
Super Sniper 3-9, Bushnell 3-12, Weaver 3-15, Vortex PST series, there are a million options in your price range.
I have the bushnell and I had a super sniper. They both work fine.
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it have to be mil-dot? </div></div>
its what im use to
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it have to be mil-dot? </div></div>
its what im use to
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Sniper 3-9, Bushnell 3-12, Weaver 3-15, Vortex PST series, there are a million options in your price range.
I have the bushnell and I had a super sniper. They both work fine. </div></div>
thank you very much ive been looking at the vortex im stoked to see try it out
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Super Sniper 3-9, Bushnell 3-12, Weaver 3-15, Vortex PST series, there are a million options in your price range.
I have the bushnell and I had a super sniper. They both work fine. </div></div>
thank you very much ive been looking at the vortex im stoked to see try it out
Re: PTR MSG 91
The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues.
The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues.
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues. </div></div>
Excellent advice on paying attention to the length of scope to be used on a PTR
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues. </div></div>
Excellent advice on paying attention to the length of scope to be used on a PTR
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it have to be mil-dot? </div></div>
its what im use to</div></div>
Well I would recommend the same SWFA SS and Vortex Viper scopes that ORD recommended, but they don't have mil-dot in a mil/mil configuration.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why does it have to be mil-dot? </div></div>
its what im use to</div></div>
Well I would recommend the same SWFA SS and Vortex Viper scopes that ORD recommended, but they don't have mil-dot in a mil/mil configuration.
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I would recommend the same SWFA SS and Vortex Viper scopes that ORD recommended, but they don't have mil-dot in a mil/mil configuration. </div></div>
Ooops. I missed the "dot" part in mil-dot and just read it as mil reticle.
To the OP...have a close look at the SS and Vortex offerings. While not traditional "mil-dot" reticles, they are mil-based reticles that offer, IMHO, some updates/improvements to your basic mil-dot setup and they shouldn't take you much, if any, time to adjust to them. Also, the collars and cuffs match on those scopes!!
(i.e. - the reticle calibration matches the scope adjustments).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bedlam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I would recommend the same SWFA SS and Vortex Viper scopes that ORD recommended, but they don't have mil-dot in a mil/mil configuration. </div></div>
Ooops. I missed the "dot" part in mil-dot and just read it as mil reticle.
To the OP...have a close look at the SS and Vortex offerings. While not traditional "mil-dot" reticles, they are mil-based reticles that offer, IMHO, some updates/improvements to your basic mil-dot setup and they shouldn't take you much, if any, time to adjust to them. Also, the collars and cuffs match on those scopes!!
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues. </div></div>
thanks alot CWO im going to have to think about that bell size with a 13 or a 13.5 what do you think is the max i could go 45?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The overall length of the scope, combined with the size of the bell, is the biggest difficulty in mounting a scope to any HK91/G3 type clone rifle, including your MSG-91. The longer the scope, and larger the bell, the more difficult it can make proper operation of the cocking lever. The total length of the scope that you can get away with will depend on things like eye relief, how far forward you have to mount the scope, etc., but I generally tell people that 13"-13.5" or less is the best way to go. If you stick with a smaller bell on the scope, you can go as long as you like...just realize that the typical HK "slap" of the cocking lever is not going to work and you'll have to maneuver around the scope somewhat to charge the rifle, etc.
I can tell you that I have an MSG-90 clone setup with an old Mk4 M3 3.5-10x40 that works very well for me (for your budget, you may be able to find a good, used one, but there are plenty of other options). The other scopes I'd consider looking at that will work well on your rifle on your budget would be:
SWFA SS 3-9x42 (as well as the fixed 10x models)
Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44
Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x42
There are plenty of other, highly suitable scopes out there depending on your overall budget, etc., but that's a start anyway. As for a previous recommendation on the Weaver Tactical 3.5-15x50...that scope is fairly long for the HK at around 13.5" which when combined with the larger bell may cause you issues. </div></div>
thanks alot CWO im going to have to think about that bell size with a 13 or a 13.5 what do you think is the max i could go 45?
Re: PTR MSG 91
swfa, vortex or the falcon optics since they have matching turrets and reticles. For the money you're suggesting. I'd roll with a Falcon and save up for something nice like Nightforce.
swfa, vortex or the falcon optics since they have matching turrets and reticles. For the money you're suggesting. I'd roll with a Falcon and save up for something nice like Nightforce.
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks alot CWO im going to have to think about that bell size with a 13 or a 13.5 what do you think is the max i could go 45? </div></div>
It is hard to give you an EXACT size range of scopes that will/will not work in terms of bell diameter. There are just too many variables that are shooter/optic dependent, including positioning of the scope on the rifle, eye relief, your body type/positioning on the rifle, ring/mount height, etc., etc.
Just remember...Shorter OAL and Smaller Bell are best when putting optics on any HK-91/clone rifle, including you MSG-91. You don't need a super-powered, enormous glass, 22x/25x NF, S&B, etc. to equip this rifle for maximum accuracy/effectiveness within the parameters you have set forward in your first post.
The best additional advice I can offer beyond that is to see if you can't grab a scope from another rifle (or friends rifles) and try it out for fitment. Also, you might head over to the forums on HKPro and see if you can search/read through some of the MSG-91/optics threads over there. I seem to recall folks having optic/mounting questions on this platform in the past.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks alot CWO im going to have to think about that bell size with a 13 or a 13.5 what do you think is the max i could go 45? </div></div>
It is hard to give you an EXACT size range of scopes that will/will not work in terms of bell diameter. There are just too many variables that are shooter/optic dependent, including positioning of the scope on the rifle, eye relief, your body type/positioning on the rifle, ring/mount height, etc., etc.
Just remember...Shorter OAL and Smaller Bell are best when putting optics on any HK-91/clone rifle, including you MSG-91. You don't need a super-powered, enormous glass, 22x/25x NF, S&B, etc. to equip this rifle for maximum accuracy/effectiveness within the parameters you have set forward in your first post.
The best additional advice I can offer beyond that is to see if you can't grab a scope from another rifle (or friends rifles) and try it out for fitment. Also, you might head over to the forums on HKPro and see if you can search/read through some of the MSG-91/optics threads over there. I seem to recall folks having optic/mounting questions on this platform in the past.
Re: PTR MSG 91
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what do you think is the max i could go 45?</div></div>
I had a 50 on my HK-91 and the charging handle in the rear locked position was extremely close to the scope. Like paper thin gap between. So 50 works, but is not ideal. If I did it all over again I'd go as small as possible. I know larger bells are nice for light gathering, but I almost never shoot at dawn and dusk anyway.
If you can get away from the mil-dot requirement, then indeed the SWFA and Vortex PST are great choices. Personally I'd stay away from the Falcon due to its mushy knobs and the fact that servicing has to be done in the UK.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: colorado_joe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what do you think is the max i could go 45?</div></div>
I had a 50 on my HK-91 and the charging handle in the rear locked position was extremely close to the scope. Like paper thin gap between. So 50 works, but is not ideal. If I did it all over again I'd go as small as possible. I know larger bells are nice for light gathering, but I almost never shoot at dawn and dusk anyway.
If you can get away from the mil-dot requirement, then indeed the SWFA and Vortex PST are great choices. Personally I'd stay away from the Falcon due to its mushy knobs and the fact that servicing has to be done in the UK.
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