22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

[SSC]

I am sure this has been asked and asked, but I didn't see it with a poll. So here is the question proposed:

If someone is looking for an all-around 22 to also use a trainer what do you recommend? assuming both Semi and Bolt could maintain .5"-.75" moa.


So I use my trainer (10/22) to help me focus on my positions not so much on running my bolt or testing my group size. I feel that it is more important to build a gun that is similar in optics and ergonomics, than it is to build an exact replica. While I am sure all of us would love a 40x clone they are very expensive. I like that I can stay focused on being steady and my body position and not have to constantly break hold to cycle. I do think that cycle is a big part of it but practicing cycle only speeds up your time not how well you shoot.

 

[SingleShot85]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

depends on what you are training for.....

if your primary weapon is a bolt gun, get a bolt .22

if its a semi platform get one to match.

There are semi and bolt .22 that will shot .5-.75 MOA, even if its positional the hole idea is to match the trainer as close as possible to primary weapon. Stock, weight would be the next to follow..

 

[Dave-O]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

My thinking is it should be the same.

If you have to break position on your centerfire to run the bolt, then you should be training with a bolt and practice breaking and rebuilding that position.

So, I vote bolt 22.

 

[WTW]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

This is where I am at. I have both a semi and bolt 22. I run a bolt gun that I am planning on moving to a chassis. I am going to try to make a chassis for my 22 bolt gun to replicate my bolt gun as close as possible. Will it be a 100% match, no but I think that by making something as close as possible to my main rifle it will help me in the long run. If I switch to a semi, then I will put together a semi-auto trainer.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

For me, ergonomics and similarity to the C/F rifle are not necessary. The accomplished marksman tailors their skills to suit a variety of firearms, and not vice versa.

IMHO, the bolt action's advantage is that it forces better fire discipline. The semi is more conducive to shortchanging he necessary prep for each shot.

Greg

 

[Chiller]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

which bolt rifle though?

 

[lachoneus]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For me, ergonomics and similarity to the C/F rifle are not necessary. The accomplished marksman tailors their skills to suit a variety of firearms, and not vice versa.
Greg</div></div>

+1. I think it is helpful, however, to have sights on the training rifle that are similar to the ones to be used on the centerfire rifle, i.e., if you're training for service rifle competition, it is better to practice with aperture sights rather than a scope.

 

[Hellbender]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

That's an easy question...BOTH!!

 

[polytech]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

I voted for bolt, but I've got both a bolt and a semi that I use. The bolt gun (455 Precision) is for long range accuracy practice, and I have a CMMG dedicated upper that I use to practice for 3-gun.

 

[HathcockProtege]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lachoneus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For me, ergonomics and similarity to the C/F rifle are not necessary. The accomplished marksman tailors their skills to suit a variety of firearms, and not vice versa.
Greg</div></div>

+1. I think it is helpful, however, to have sights on the training rifle that are similar to the ones to be used on the centerfire rifle, i.e., if you're training for service rifle competition, it is better to practice with aperture sights rather than a scope.</div></div>

Agreed on both. A true marksman can pick up any weapon and quickly become proficient with it. Granted; there is nothing quite like shooting that gun through which you have put more rounds than all others combined. It's magic, but a truly effective marksman has to be more versatile than that, imho. I find it most satisfactory to have such a strong foundation of marksmanship fundamentals down that I can pick up a stranger's rifle and shoot it better than he ever has. Those are the times when I feel accomplished.

 

[Miles2go]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

I'm not sure a 22 is always a good trainer. I think to get someone familiar with shooting it cannot be beat. It has its own set of applications where it is best.
But if I'm trying to shoot better with a heavy bolt .308, I'm sure as heck not going to spend a valuable 3 hour shooting session with a .22. I think what I need to get better at with the .308 is dealing with trajectory and wind etc. The fundamentals of positioning and trigger control, etc can surely be improved upon with a .22, but crap I'd rather just buy some cheaper .308 ammo.
Driving 3 hours a day in traffic does not make you a race-car driver. 3 hours a month in a race-car will actually make a difference, yes?

 

[SSC]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

It may not make you a race car driver but it will help you learn where the stereo is, how to work the ac to be the most comfortable, effective use of the blinker,....

You are in that you have to practice with the 308 to learn the trajectory from all situations as well. But if you hardly ever shoot kneeling there is no reason you have to start on the 308 to learn what positions you can be steady.

 

[3oh8er]

Re: 22lr trainer poll Semi vs Bolt

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Miles2go</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure a 22 is always a good trainer. I think to get someone familiar with shooting it cannot be beat. It has its own set of applications where it is best.
But if I'm trying to shoot better with a heavy bolt .308, I'm sure as heck not going to spend a valuable 3 hour shooting session with a .22. I think what I need to get better at with the .308 is dealing with trajectory and wind etc. The fundamentals of positioning and trigger control, etc can surely be improved upon with a .22, but crap I'd rather just buy some cheaper .308 ammo.
Driving 3 hours a day in traffic does not make you a race-car driver. 3 hours a month in a race-car will actually make a difference, yes? </div></div>
I disagree. 22s have a significantly reduced muzzle velocity making them more unforgiving of mistakes in fundamentals. Then there is the inherent reduction in cost, noise and recoil.