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Gunsmithing Our truing method/price has changed

Keith Johns

Phoenix Custom Rifles
Commercial Supporter
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We've been using two methods of truing until recently for Remington receivers.
Bolts we've always done single point.

Receivers in the past we've either done single point, or used a piloted truing tool that pilots off the raceway and reams the receiver lugs and face at the same time, in theory(and pretty well in practice) squaring them up to the raceway.

The problem we've found with the piloted truing tool is that it can leave a slight positive angle on your receiver lugs, making it hard to open the bolt after a round is fired because the bolt is camming forward on lift due to that positive angle. That's not possible to do if they're single point cut indicated in a lathe.

So,
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">All</span> receiver lug abutments and receiver faces will get single point cut now.</span>

Our concern has nothing to do with accuracy. All the rifles we've built with the truing tool shoot and function great other than that one possible problem with bolt lift, which we only ran into once by the way. But once is enough.



<span style="font-weight: bold">On to Bolts:</span>
We normally true bolt faces. Non-riveted extractors are easy to pop out and replace, but the riveted ones are a PITA to get riveted back in. Im aware of those PTG tools that go behind the extractor but I do not like those. If I true the face I want to do it single point, in the lathe.
We will continue to single point true bolt lug abutments on all 3 sides, and on bolt faces that need it we are going to make a small enough tool that we can carefully single point true the face even with the extractor there.
But generally, Remington bolt faces are about as good as their going to get. Truing bolt faces has a negative effect that IMO <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> outweigh the positive ones if truing is done too deep.


<span style="font-weight: bold">We have also decided to <span style="text-decoration: underline">lower</span> our price for truing to $125.</span>
The stipulation is that the action must be barreled by us(Phoenix Custom Rifles) at the time of truing, and all actions getting barreled must be trued by either us, or a competitor we trust to do good work.









<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Thank you very much to all our supporters, customers, and competitors that have helped us along the way!</span></span>



 
Re: Our truing method/price has changed

Wont even be more work after getting set up and a rhythm going.
We've always single pointed the bolts. And Ive always taken the time to single point bore the receiver out partially, to save wear on the truing reamer. So I don't think I saved any time doing it either way. I just saw less risk of messing anything up with the piloted hand tool.

Now I see they don't always work as their theory goes
 
Re: Our truing method/price has changed

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Johns</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now I see they don't always work as their theory goes </div></div>

Lessons learned through experience are much more valuable than lessons learned by teaching, watching or reading.
 
Re: Our truing method/price has changed

What are you charging to chamber,crown,and install a brake?
 
Re: Our truing method/price has changed

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What are you charging to chamber,crown,and install a brake? </div></div>

Chambering/complete barrel installation is $275.

Brake installs are $125. Recrowning is always included with muzzle threading.