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LMT groupings w/pics! Reloads & brass protector!

elfster1234

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    I figured some of you in the semi-auto community that doesn't reload at all might be interested in this info. Especially if you are thinking about buying an LMT. Very happy with my LMT purchase so far! Also posted in the reloading section.

    First and foremost, I wouldn't be at this point right now if it wasn't for all of your help. Thank you for all of your help with my postings and your replys. Also reading many other's forum posts. I think I'm on the right track. Hopefully.......

    I think I'm a "do it right the first time" type of person and I might have gone a bit over board with my reloading equipment but I hate upgrading. This also applys to my rifles. IMO, with some research and reading loads of reviews I think I save money in the long run by not having to constantly upgrade. Out of all of my reloading purchases, IMO the best purchase hands down was my tumbler with stainless steel media. It cleans my brass in well under 25minutes and I'm blown away by its performance. Hit up the brass with air compressor and stick it under a fan and it's dry in no time flat. Besides the fact I never need to purchase media again. You save in the long run. Next would be the RCBS 1500 chargemaster. The speed and consistant drops verified the reviews and youtube videos. Next was the worlds finest trimmer for .308. Once I figured out how to set the WFT from a pc of brass already @ 2.005 & off my full length sized brass I really couldn't imagine doing this stuff by hand. Next, the lyman case prep center works extreamly well and seams like a very solid unit. Couldn't imagine doing all of this stuff by hand. Finally, the hornady LNL AP press. The press has been not bad and I think it will really start to shine once I start reloading for my ruger SR1911 and glock pistols. I might consider getting a single stage for my rifles, but so far it does the job. About the only problem I've had with the LNL AP press is mine came with the primer timing all screwed up, but it was an easy fix. It is really all about keeping the shell plate clean with ball detents greased and making sure the primer shuttle timing is set correctly.

    I'm going to tell you right now it has been <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONE HELL OF A LONG ROAD</span></span> from the start of my reloading center, buying all of the equipment, learning how to use the equipment, knowing somewhat the hell you need to do, to actually putting a pc of finished reloaded ammo in your rifle. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">YOU ARE KIDDING YOURSELF</span></span> if you think the road to reloading is going to be an easy one for the first time reloader. A couple nights I was seriously pulling my hair out. I'm really starting to think it's all about getting a consistant method to your madness when it comes to reloading. Get it figured out, get it right, and stick with it type of thing.

    Well, I finally made it out today with my LMT to see how my very first batch of reloaded ammo went. I took my barrel off the LMT, cleaned it, and put it back on. I also put some sticky back velco on my brass deflector. I like to call it my velcro brass deflector protector. LOL! It really did work and I now have no ding on the side of my brass which is much better for reloading. I just cleaned the brass deflector on my LMT with some break cleaner, cut the velcro strip with scissors, and applied the velco to my LMT deflector (see picture)... Easy as that..... Anyway, I really wasn't out to zero my rifle. Was more out to test my first ever batch of reloaded .308 ammo ever and see how my groupings where hitting with my LMT MWS. I started out with some factory 7.62 american eagle and noticed I was hitting high about 1.5" but the group was rather solid especially for just taking the barrel off and back on so I just kept on going with the shoot knowing that my reloaded ammo would most likely be different anyway. Was more about grouping anyway. Then I started out with my small batches of .308 / 7.62 nato brass reloads. Everything went really smooth. Absolutely no problems with every single reload. I wanted to start with small batches just in case I had some problems and wasn't pulling bullets. I started out with a very small batch of once fired .308 federal brass and then 7.62 nato american eagle brass. Did 5 shots of each and included a pic of my best groups of the commercial / nato brass and different benchmark powder load weights. I can already tell from the very very soft kick and the low target hit my powder grains are way too low, but i'm blown away by the unreal grouping on my .308 brass / 37grns benchmark (start load) / 175gr smk hpbt / BR-2 primers. Was pretty much getting a bullet in a bullet hole on my best 5 shot group .308 federal brass / 37grn bench mark reloaded ammo. I've also included a pick of where my factory american eagle 7.62 168grn ammo was hitting to give an idea of how much lower my first time reloads where hitting on the starting powder charges. I guess my next purchase with be a cronograph? I'm still learning here. Anyway, enough talk.. Here are the pics:

    My new reloading center and my LMT:
    BRANDNEWRELOADINGSETUP.jpg


    The velcro brass deflector protector. No more dinged brass:
    BRASSDEFLECTORVELCROPROTECTOR.jpg


    Factory 7.62 american eagle 168grn groupings @ 100yards:
    FACTORYAMERICANEAGLE762168GRNHPBT.jpg


    Reloaded .308 federal brass, start load 37grn benchmark, 175grn smk hpbt, br2 primers:
    308BRASS37GNBENCHMARK175GRNSMKHPBT.jpg


    Reloaded 7.62 american eagle brass, start load 35.6 benchmark, 175grn smk hpbt, br2 primers:
    762NATOBRASS356GNBENCHMARK175GRNSMKHPBT.jpg
     
    Re: LMT groupings w/pics! Reloads & brass protector!

    That's some good shooting. once you get the powder down your reloads are going to be sick man =). and That's a fine weapon you have there .
     
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    Great job!

    I may have to try your velcro idea.

    What barrel are you running on your MWS?
     
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    20" CL

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RD62</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great job!

    I may have to try your velcro idea.

    What barrel are you running on your MWS? </div></div>
     
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    the velcro so far is sticking really really well. better than i figured and i don't see it going anywhere soon... i think the trick is to cleaning the deflector really well


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RD62</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great job!

    I may have to try your velcro idea.

    What barrel are you running on your MWS? </div></div>
     
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    I have been using Velcro on my AR's brass deflector for about 5 years ever since I first did it to protect my SIG 556 from the the mess I saw around the unprotected ejection ports of other SIG 556's. Works great, eventually I will have to replace it on some guns as it slowly wears out.
     
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    Looks real good! My friend who reloads gets similar results from SMK's. He also said that they really do good at faster velocities. A chrono will help you I would think. Very interested in the MWS, great job.
     
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    thanks for everyone's replys... yes, a nice chrono will be one of my next purchases once I can afford it... I've dumped wayyyy to much money in my reloading equipment just to get going on reloading & .308 ammo (like well over $1k in equipment)... I was really impressed with my sierra matchking's..... just too darn bad they are soo expensive.. I'm able to get hornady bullets much much cheaper! keep on testing I guess!


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 33shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks real good! My friend who reloads gets similar results from SMK's. He also said that they really do good at faster velocities. A chrono will help you I would think. Very interested in the MWS, great job. </div></div>
     
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    There some good deals on pulled matchkings, sometimes on here and on other sites. Shoot as good as new in my MWS at least at a hundred or so. Last I bought was $88 for 500 shipped. Good luck.
     
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    Looks same as my groups. Four in the spot and one thrown out. I've seen a few more pics on here displaying this same trait. Anyone have the cure?

    BTW, I have switched to an 18" 260 barrel but no rounds down range yet.
     
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    I think it would really help if I was to get my rifle in a shooting vise. So far I've just been using my harris bipod with a half ass buttstock rest (just a bag filled with sand).... I'm really not sure on the 4th round being off. Not even sure If I would call it a "flyer" as most of my groups including one or two bullets being a tad bit off is still well under 1" @ yards. Most of my groups are usually 1" to 3/4" groups @ 100yards,,, and about 50% of my groups are down right insane with bullet holes touching each other if not damn near in the same bullet hole. Things are really improving now that I'm reloading my own ammo and I think it will continue to improve once I get my shit together with powder type, powder grain weight used, and bullet type used. I'm still on the "find the right powder, grain, bullet" that copletely harmonizes with my LMT's barrel. But I'm sure my groups would greatly improve if I was to get my rifle locked down with an adjustable vise of some sort... then again, what is the point to shooting if you are not doing the shooting and the vise is doing it for you???




    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks same as my groups. Four in the spot and one thrown out. I've seen a few more pics on here displaying this same trait. Anyone have the cure?

    BTW, I have switched to an 18" 260 barrel but no rounds down range yet.
    </div></div>
     
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    I tried groups from bipod & pillow bag to tripod rest & BR rear bag. Get the same results. I am starting to think it may be inherent to the design because I saw some Larue OBR groups that look that way too.
    BTW, I don't see anything wrong with your shooting.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks same as my groups. Four in the spot and one thrown out. I've seen a few more pics on here displaying this same trait. Anyone have the cure?
    </div></div>

    Don't fire the 5th shot?? LOL!
     
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    If it is the first shot that is the flyer sometimes you can help with how you close the gun on the first round.

    Happens in semi auto handguns also.

    Some folks theorize it is the slide velocity causing it to seat different

    try closing differently,..instead of just slapping the bolt catch pull back in the charging handle and let it drop or maybe even as funny as it sounds easing it down..

    my 1911 prefers a slide catch trip where my S&W 52 prefers the old slingshot method.

    if it is the last round maybe bolt locking back is causing it,different recoil pulse, perhaps indicating follow through needs adjusting.

    as always YMMV

    John
     
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    Guys,

    Is it the clean barrel shot? I have seen that in ML and bolt rifles. I always fire one before going hunting to limit the change between shots if needed. My 30-378 is really bad about doing this. My traditions vortek fires clean barrel 1stshot exactly 2"at higher than any after that. I am using BH209.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trisurvivor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys,

    Is it the clean barrel shot? I have seen that in ML and bolt rifles. I always fire one before going hunting to limit the change between shots if needed. My 30-378 is really bad about doing this. My traditions vortek fires clean barrel 1stshot exactly 2"at higher than any after that. I am using BH209. </div></div>

    It is not a clean bore shot nor a cold bore shot. It is not always the same shot of the five either. I installed my 260 barrel today (torqued to LMT spec) and it throws a shot too. I tried 123 Scenars from SW Ammo and 142 SMK hand loads.