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Photos M193 sold by SIX FEET UNDER

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SIX FEET UNDER recently sold M193 on the hide as "not reloads." I will let the pictures below speak for themselves. In one case I have a shallow primer strike, some of the brass is not LAKE CITY, and overall the brass is very dirty to the point of transfer to my hands. Anyway I am seeking my money back and would advise all of those individuals who thought they got new "not reloaded" M193 ammo as described in the posting to take a look at what they received as well. In addition he is selling M855 I would make sure those that bought take a look at the stuff they receive. I have been buying de-milled surplus ammo for about 8 years now and have even showed some of what I bought on the hide. I do not like it when what is being posted is not what I get. I am seeking a refund at this time.
 
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Wow I get demilled components to load all my 223 and it looks infinitely better than this.
 
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Are the primers crimped? If so it may just be a batch that was handle rough.
 
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Judging by the cannelure I would say no way thats lake city.


Can anyone confirm a cannelure on XM193?


Ch
 
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this is the exact reason i only buy ammo in person. good luck with getting your money back.
 
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To all who read this,
Look, I am an honest man.. This ammo came from lake city as he got them. I did not open and inspect every case of ammo. I told 144:1 I would give him a full refund or replacemnt no problem. I told him I will even pay for the return shipping. This must have just been a bad box from the factory. I will make things right with 144:1, no problem. They are Not reloads. I am not a lying seller. I am just trying to pass a good deal on ammo along to people on the hide. Ammo is expensive- I am not trying to rip anyone off.. 144:1 has my contact info- I have tried to be in contact with him, with no response so far. 144:1 is the only person with a complaint about his case of ammo, out of a 50K round batch. I have appoligized and sorry again for the problem. I will make things right.. SFU
 
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And as far as the Aguila rounds go- they did not come from lake city. There was probably 3 or 5 rounds of aguila rounds in the box. We had some rounds spill and we put some back in a box.. Accidently a friend had put a few rounds of Aguila in with the 1000 rounds of lake city. There is still a 1000 rounds of lake city in the box- Just throw the Aguila away.. It's not like there was 200 rounds Aguila in the case.. Just a few rounds..
 
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sir i do not know if you sent a pm to the seller frist but that is the way i would have do done it it makes for better com. i bought all my ammo from him and had 0 problems, i am sure if u pm in yours and his box it will get the results you both want.
 
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Six Feet Under is an honest guy. He sent my ammo out before he even received payment. When I told him my box was ten rounds short he mailed me a five dollar bill. This is bulk ammo. It gets banged around and dented. It's the same stuff Cheaper Than Dirt sells for a higher price. If you want nice, clean and pretty ammo buy it in the store in individual boxes for a 30% increase in price. This could've been handled by the OP through PM's like an adult instead of ruining a good man's reputation.
 
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I got 1000 rounds from Six Feet Under, I'm happy. My rounds are typical for bulk M193.
As far as the transaction, great comms with Six Feet Under.

Shit sometimes happens, the first I do is contact the guy I had the deal with and work it out, I hope this is the route you took. Regardless, it looks like Six Feet Under is stepping up to take care of you. Nuff Said.
 
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I bought four boxes from six feet under, have shot several rounds from each box with no problem. I would buy from him again if he gets more. MM
 
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Im not saying Six Feet Under is a bad person. I'm simply pointing out what I got. That was three hand fulls out of the box, it wasn't like I picked thru it for an hour. So there has to be a lot of that none LC brass in there. It simply doesn't line up mathematically. So all of the Aguila brass must have fell in my box according to your story. As far as your PM is concerned I don't think we have anything else to talk about, I'm not happy with the product and per my previous PM I'll get it back to you when it goes out Monday.

Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im not saying Six Feet Under is a bad person. I'm simply pointing out what I got. That was three hand fulls out of the box, it wasn't like I picked thru it for an hour. So there has to be a lot of that none LC brass in there. It simply doesn't line up mathematically. So all of the Aguila brass must have fell in my box according to your story. As far as your PM is concerned I don't think we have anything else to talk about, I'm not happy with the product and per my previous PM I'll get it back to you when it goes out Monday.
Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved.</div></div>

144:1,
You will get your money back -no problem. There was never a problem with him getting his money back AT ALL. I would not want to pay for something I was not happy with. I also emailed everyone else who bought ammo and told them to check their boxes because you were not happy. Nobody else had any complaints but YOU. Out of all of the cases I sold, you are the only one to complain about any of it. So post all you want...I still think you could have sent me a PM first and we could have solved the simple problem without you posting all this. But I see how you are- A friend of mine put a few rounds of that Aguila in with the lake city on accident, like I said. The Aguila rounds were on the table and he put them in the box, on accident. I did not know they were in there. They would have been "extra" rounds in the box... And they would have been on top of the pile... Sorry about your dissatisfaction with the case.. I will also get your money sent back to you on Monday. That's all I can do.
 
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I just went through the ammo of LC ammo I got from 6 feet under and mine was great with none of the above problems mentioned.

With that said, I do have a dog in this fight. 144:1, your right in saying you have the right to post, within rule guidelines, anything you want. The problem is, how you brought this to surface. You should have left this between you and him in a PM.

6 feet under went above and beyond to contact me and asked what kind of condition the ammo was in, and for whatever reason I wasn't satisfied, a full refund would happen. Fortunately all was good with mine. Mistakes/accidents happen, and no one is perfect, which he admitted to. The way you worded your original post, in my opion, was 6 feet under was dishonest.

I can't see the PM messages between you and 6 feet under, so I have no idea what was said, but your wrong in how this was dealt with . I do agree with you on what the ammo looks like, mismatched ammo, and dents. And I don't blame you for wanting a refund. 6 feet under took it like a man and owned up to it. For that I will always deal with him without any hesitations.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved. </div></div>

Here's how this statement reads... "Don't mind me pissing down your back and telling you it's raining. I can piss where ever I feel like, and my gracious golden shower allowed you the opportunity to take a real shower and come out clean in the end."

I normally with anyone here that feels like they got ripped off by a member and especially a vendor, but from the sounds of it he already told you he'd make it right and apologized yet you still felt compelled to post up your "review"...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved. </div></div>

Here's how this statement reads... "Don't mind me pissing down your back and telling you it's raining. I can piss where ever I feel like, and my gracious golden shower allowed you the opportunity to take a real shower and come out clean in the end."

I normally with anyone here that feels like they got ripped off by a member and especially a vendor, but from the sounds of it he already told you he'd make it right and apologized yet you still felt compelled to post up your "review"... </div></div>


Hey high speed, the post was before the refund comment. Get the facts straight before you post disrespectful comments. As stated previously and just like every other website on the internet. When people review a product you have good and bad just as this case. I said I had a problem which I did and you can clearly see from the photos. Others said they didn't and got good ammo. I think the intent is clear. Im bowing out at this point since the thread is going south, off topic, and getting disrespectful.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved. </div></div>

Here's how this statement reads... "Don't mind me pissing down your back and telling you it's raining. I can piss where ever I feel like, and my gracious golden shower allowed you the opportunity to take a real shower and come out clean in the end."

I normally with anyone here that feels like they got ripped off by a member and especially a vendor, but from the sounds of it he already told you he'd make it right and apologized yet you still felt compelled to post up your "review"... </div></div>


Hey high speed, the post was before the refund comment. Get the facts straight before you post disrespectful comments. As stated previously and just like every other website on the internet. When people review a product you have good and bad just as this case. I said I had a problem which I did and you can clearly see from the photos. Others said they didn't and got good ammo. I think the intent is clear. Im bowing out at this point since the thread is going south, off topic, and getting disrespectful.
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You only think it's disrespectful because it doesn't agree with your opinion which is the topic. Your statement prior to the last seriously made it sound like he should be grateful to you for bringing this to everyone's attention and that it somehow benefited him. But you continue with your delusion that others are "disrespecting" you blah blah blah... If your intent was so clear from the beginning then why is it no one else is agreeing with you... high speed?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These are in fact reloads and I will post the photos of the brass in the photos section. Most of the casings are dented from being fired out of automatic weapons. In some cases the bullets have dents. I will be sending a PM but want people to know what they got since you state above they are not "reloads." I can buy brand new factory never fired M193 for about $30 more from other distributors. I would advise next time you state exactly what is being sold. </div></div>

No malicious intentions there... I like the part where you said <span style="font-style: italic">"I will be sending a PM but want people to know" </span>which clearly shows you never even bothered to see if he would make it right or if something happened but jumped straight to he must have lied about the product...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 144:1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Regarding some of the posts above, this is not done with malicious intent. Rather it's a review of the product provided which happens on every website where products are sold on the Internet. I have the right on a web forum to raise awareness about a product being sold and was letting the product received do the talking with photos. It has nothing to do with ruining a name, it business. As you can see if anything it helped SIX FEET UNDER and gave him the opportunity to show the HIDEs users he stands behind his products sold and will refund their money when satisfaction is not achieved. </div></div>

Here's how this statement reads... "Don't mind me pissing down your back and telling you it's raining. I can piss where ever I feel like, and my gracious golden shower allowed you the opportunity to take a real shower and come out clean in the end."

I normally with anyone here that feels like they got ripped off by a member and especially a vendor, but from the sounds of it he already told you he'd make it right and apologized yet you still felt compelled to post up your "review"... </div></div>


Hey high speed, the post was before the refund comment. Get the facts straight before you post disrespectful comments. As stated previously and just like every other website on the internet. When people review a product you have good and bad just as this case. I said I had a problem which I did and you can clearly see from the photos. Others said they didn't and got good ammo. I think the intent is clear. Im bowing out at this point since the thread is going south, off topic, and getting disrespectful.
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DISRESPECTFUL??????? How dare you call others "broker" disrespectful, when your OP was nothing but disrespect.

And as far as this so called product review of yours goes, what was you expecting a sponsorship from 6 feet under?

6 feet under is nothing but an average/honest person that, in my opinion, as well as others, was just passing on a good deal. So far out of all the ammo that he sold yours is the only one with any problems.

And for the record the only thing that's off topic is you not admitting that your wrong on how you dealt with this. 6 feet under has stated muliple times he was going to make this right and you still come back with some outlandish comment.

Bottom line: it's been publicly noted that you are getting a full refund. END OF STORY
 
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I had no problems with the ammos I received from Six Feet Under either. He even shipped out the ammo before he had received the payment. And I'm still waiting on another shipment
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Keep em coming!!
 
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I bought 6,000 rounds out of the batch that 44:1 or whatever his tag is. Ive not been able to find any discrepancy with any of it and he also shipped the ammo befor he recieved my money. If i wasnt so bled dry on spare cash from my move im just now finishing id be getting more from him. Hell if he had 175 matchkings for 308the id go as far as letting him bang my sister if it mad a differnce. Now, continue on with the plan of the day.

Richard
 
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This dose not belong on any thread. This is between the buyer and the seller. You went public 1st thing instead of going to the seller first.
 
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1441 you are trying to make people look bad and it blew up in your face, it says when you first posted that you have been buying mill surplus for 8 years, i think thats a bunch of bullshit. if you have been buying surplus for that long you know as well as me that its surplus, its gonna be dented dirty, tarneshed and who knows what else why do you think you get it for cheaper than boxed ammo. i have bought plenty of boxed 855 and 856 thats all dented and dirty also. find somewhere else to put people down, and when you buy more surplus from somewhere else dont send the brass back after you shot it all because it didnt group like match ammo, cause that sounds like something you would do
 
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One of the best guys I've dealt with on the hide. Shipped the Ammo before I even had the funds in the mail.

He is good to go.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bob munden 45lc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1441 you are trying to make people look bad and it blew up in your face, it says when you first posted that you have been buying mill surplus for 8 years, i think thats a bunch of bullshit. if you have been buying surplus for that long you know as well as me that its surplus, its gonna be dented dirty, tarneshed and who knows what else why do you think you get it for cheaper than boxed ammo. i have bought plenty of boxed 855 and 856 thats all dented and dirty also. find somewhere else to put people down, and when you buy more surplus from somewhere else dont send the brass back after you shot it all because it didnt group like match ammo, cause that sounds like something you would do </div></div>

The difference is M193 and XM193 or M855 and XM855, look up the difference. What I got and what is being sold is XM193 and the pictures show that. There is nothing wrong with selling factory reloaded ammunition from lake city but I think if you are selling it you should know what you are selling and it should be stated as such. The brass is shot and bought back up by the factory and reloaded and resold, this is done over and over for the life of the brass. I got a bad batch.

And as for your negative comments. Nothing blew up in my face and I stand behind my comments and actions. I have been buying for over 8 years now, previous posts and pictures of dilmilled AP, API, SLAP, and MK211 Raufoss military surplus shows that. You are another individual jumping on the bandwagon attacking me before collecting the facts.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why is this even a thread, this should be between the buy and seller in PM's </div></div>

I agree. I bought a batch of 1000 as well. Only 12 rounds of the 1000 had dings, tarnish, etc. Thats about what i expect when buying this ammo. I dont think he has control of that, and it's unrealistic to expect him to go through the 1000's of rounds and pull the bad ones out. Throw em away, and move on!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
144:1 said:
These are in fact reloads and I will post the photos of the brass in the photos section. Most of the casings are dented from being fired out of automatic weapons. In some cases the bullets have dents. <span style="color: #FF0000">I <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">will</span></span></span> be sending a PM but want people to know</span> what they got since you state above they are not "reloads." I can buy brand new factory never fired M193 for about $30 more from other distributors. I would advise next time you state exactly what is being sold. </div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firefox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey keep it between these two on ur PM </div></div>
Please
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why is this even a thread, this should be between the buy and seller in PM's</div></div>
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