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Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

Keith Johns

Phoenix Custom Rifles
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We've been using two methods of truing until recently for Remington receivers.
Bolts we've always done single point.

Receivers in the past we've either done single point, or used a piloted truing tool that pilots off the raceway and reams the receiver lugs and face at the same time, in theory(and pretty well in practice) squaring them up to the raceway.

The problem we've found with the piloted truing tool is that it can leave a slight positive angle on your receiver lugs, making it hard to open the bolt after a round is fired because the bolt is camming forward on lift due to that positive angle. That's not possible to do if they're single point cut indicated in a lathe.

So,
<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">All</span> receiver lug abutments and receiver faces will get single point cut now.</span>

Our concern has nothing to do with accuracy. All the rifles we've built with the truing tool shoot and function great other than that one possible problem with bolt lift, which we only ran into once by the way. But once is enough.



<span style="font-weight: bold">On to Bolts:</span>
We normally true bolt faces. Non-riveted extractors are easy to pop out and replace, but the riveted ones are a PITA to get riveted back in. Im aware of those PTG tools that go behind the extractor but I do not like those. If I true the face I want to do it single point, in the lathe.
We will continue to single point true bolt lug abutments on all 3 sides, and on bolt faces that need it we are going to make a small enough tool that we can carefully single point true the face even with the extractor there.
But generally, Remington bolt faces are about as good as theyre going to get. Truing bolt faces has a negative effect that IMO <span style="font-style: italic">can</span> outweigh the positive ones if truing is done too deep.


<span style="font-weight: bold">We have also decided to <span style="text-decoration: underline">lower</span> our price for truing to $125.</span>
The stipulation is that the action must be barreled by us(Phoenix Custom Rifles) at the time of truing, and all actions getting barreled must be trued by either us, or a competitor we trust to do good work.









<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Thank you very much to all our supporters, customers, and competitors that have helped us along the way!</span></span>


 
Re: Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

For those of us that don't know who you are....

What smith shop do you work for???
 
Re: Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DubGunner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those of us that don't know who you are....

What smith shop do you work for???</div></div>

Probably the one in his sig.

Phoenix Custom Rifles. Keith is a great guy who did some side bits and pieces around here while he put himself through gunsmithing school.

I myself have a few of his old bolt knobs around here.

He is a good guy with a sense of humor and I have seen and heard nothing but good stuff about the work that comes out of his shop. Add on that his wait times are relatively low AND that he is a sponsor here...

You could do a lot worse than going with PCR for your next build.
 
Re: Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

My bad, I think I might have turned sigs off, I can't see squat. Free bump!

Edit> That was it. Apologies again.
 
Re: Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

Can you pin the recoil lug on a 700, for a future switch barrel?
 
Re: Changed our truing method and lowered the cost

Thanks so much for the kind words!

koz, we are not set up yet on our mill to pin recoil lugs. It is high on our list and we will be set up to do it by end of this year.

We are spending a good amount of money right now to further improve our Cerakote department. Buying a professional bake oven, soak tanks for parts, etc.
We'll be set up to spray H-series Cerakote very soon. We'll announce once we've started using it for jobs.


Also trying out a new "Micro Slick" Black Cerakote for bolt bodies. Its supposed to be even thinner than regular Cerakote and even tougher... "the more you rub it in, the harder it gets" said the NIC guy I spoke with.

We're always trying to improve. Phoenix Custom Rifles is one year into this exactly and we've improved a lot since we started 370 days ago.


Thanks a lot everyone!

Keith and Brad Johns, Phoenix Custom Rifles