Defective FN SPR, Tac-Cord vs. FNH USA

[TACCORD]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="color: #3333FF">Food for thought.. AR15 firing pin is either bent or from high usage does not meet min OAL, do you replace the whole upper.. No. You replace the firing pin.</span>

Mike </div></div>

Chew on this: <span style="color: #CC0000">the AR15 is not a precision bolt action rifle</span>. The AR15 is a battle rifle....
Modular by design, so it can be taken apart easily and parts swapped out. </div></div>

<span style="color: #CC0000">Considering AR15's can be built to be sub-MOA then actually I am correct. </span> The action on the SPR is also modular and can be replaced. It also can be done 5 times faster than an AR.

Same principle...

But neither here nor their. Have a good day gentleman.

Mike </div></div>

So now you want to argue the fact that the AR15 is a precision bolt rifle?! I never said they were not accurate rifles. I said they are not the same machine, and their work philosophies are quite different. </div></div>

Actually good Sir, like I mentioned I am done with this. It's something for the customer and I to finish.

Good Day.

 

[71firebird400]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

I don't understand how the poor workmanship can be excused because the bedding was free. That's a bad work ethic to have, and if you're not proud of the work you're doing then you shouldn't have bedded these rifles in the first place.

 

[TACCORD]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 71firebird400</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand how the poor workmanship can be excused because the bedding was free. That's a bad work ethic to have, and if you're not proud of the work you're doing then you shouldn't have bedded these rifles in the first place. </div></div>

There was actually nothing wrong with the bedding. That's my problem. That has nothing to do with the customers complaint. FN told him that it was a bad job. How does a bent firing pin cross over to a bedding job issue. Everyone on here does not know the whole story as always.

The bedding job is still 10 times better than the one that came stock on the rifle and yes we do take offense to it as my guy works at ROBAR and has been doing this for 20+ years. I would guess that he knows what he is doing... So we are not sending out crappy bedding jobs. Once again that was not the customers complaint. FN told him it did not look like the the factory bedding job. Big difference.

 

[KYS]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

Haha, you don't have to keep answering me if you are done....

 

[KYS]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 71firebird400</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand how the poor workmanship can be excused because the bedding was free. That's a bad work ethic to have, and if you're not proud of the work you're doing then you shouldn't have bedded these rifles in the first place. </div></div>

There was actually nothing wrong with the bedding. That's my problem. That has nothing to do with the customers complaint. FN told him that it was a bad job. How does a bent firing pin cross over to a bedding job issue. Everyone on here does not know the whole story as always.

The bedding job is still 10 times better than the one that came stock on the rifle and yes we do take offense to it as my guy works at ROBAR and has been doing this for 20+ years. I would guess that he knows what he is doing... So we are not sending out crappy bedding jobs. Once again that was not the customers complaint. FN told him it did not look like the the factory bedding job. Big difference. </div></div>

Mike, I don't know you but from reading your posts you are just not making much sense. The hole is getting deeper and deeper. First the customer expresses clearly the bedding is not right because his barreled action is crooked. And upon further inspection the firing pin is bent. And you don't see how they correlate? Anything is better then nothing, which is pretty much how FN beds their stocks....

Your guy might have been doing this for awhile but he messed this one up. You promised the customer an end results and have apparently backpedaled. You are correct, we don't know the whole story and from what we have been told you sure don't look like the victim here. You also do not dispute all the points. You just say "I am done with this" and run off, but come right back to argue points that really lead no where.

Thus the confusion sets in and people get lost in your stories. Just saying, do as you promised your customer initially and maybe he can report back that you took care of him and all this is behind you. Easily solution.

 

[turbo54]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

KYS338, I'm glad I'm not the only one to whom Tac-Cord's story/situation stinks!

Just as you articulate, the hole seeems to get deeper and deeper and deeper.

As Shakespeare wrote: "They doth protest too much!!"

 

[TACCORD]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 71firebird400</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't understand how the poor workmanship can be excused because the bedding was free. That's a bad work ethic to have, and if you're not proud of the work you're doing then you shouldn't have bedded these rifles in the first place. </div></div>

There was actually nothing wrong with the bedding. That's my problem. That has nothing to do with the customers complaint. FN told him that it was a bad job. How does a bent firing pin cross over to a bedding job issue. Everyone on here does not know the whole story as always.

The bedding job is still 10 times better than the one that came stock on the rifle and yes we do take offense to it as my guy works at ROBAR and has been doing this for 20+ years. I would guess that he knows what he is doing... So we are not sending out crappy bedding jobs. Once again that was not the customers complaint. FN told him it did not look like the the factory bedding job. Big difference. </div></div>

Mike, I don't know you but from reading your posts you are just not making much sense. The hole is getting deeper and deeper. First the customer expresses clearly the bedding is not right because his barreled action is crooked. And upon further inspection the firing pin is bent. And you don't see how they correlate? Anything is better then nothing, which is pretty much how FN beds their stocks....

Your guy might have been doing this for awhile but he messed this one up. You promised the customer an end results and have apparently backpedaled. You are correct, we don't know the whole story and from what we have been told you sure don't look like the victim here. You also do not dispute all the points. You just say "I am done with this" and run off, but come right back to argue points that really lead no where.

Thus the confusion sets in and people get lost in your stories. Just saying, do as you promised your customer initially and maybe he can report back that you took care of him and all this is behind you. Easily solution. </div></div>

Well, since the customer first contacted me. He had mentioned that he sent the rifle to FN to get the firing pin replaced.
"Yes"
I said he would of been better off sending it to me as I would have just replaced the rifle. Then I would have sent it off for warranty repairs myself. This was based on the fact that FN had said something had been machined wrong in regards to a roll pin. I mentioned to the customer that since all the bolts are matched to the actions that that would be the only way to do it. "Yes"

I received the rifle to inspect it and noticed that their was no defect in the bolt. I assumed that yes if the bolt was bad then I would without question just go ahead and exchange. As I stated to the customer. Upon test firing the unit with the old pin and the new to confirm safety and functionality I confirmed that a replaced firing pin was all that was necessary. Remember I am not the manufacturer here. Most if not all dealers would not even go this far for a production based rifle. I confirmed with the customer at this point that the bolt was 100% and that a BRAND NEW FN firing pin was installed, which is what should have been done to begin with.

Customer asked then about the barrel being off center. I had mentioned that most of the units with the stock FN spot bed, that it does happen about 70% of the time. When we re-work the stock only so much material can and should be removed from the toung area, since it had already been notched out once, and that yes we do our best to center the unit in the Jig but we have to be careful not to force it. The action must set in their with minimal force. The bedding was not done improperly and the only test of that would be if the unit shoots correctly.

So knowing that my guy is not blowing through the bedding jobs and we do have constraints as to how much material should be removed and what we have to work with. I will say this...

I will go ahead and just replace Sean's rifle... I just wanted to clear some stuff up, so no questions would be lingering.

Thanks Mike

 

[KYS]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

You should have posted what you just wrote much earlier and avoided all of this confusion. But good on you for doing what is right.

 

[BigBlue&Goldie]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

FWIW, a buddy and I almost bought a pair of these. I'm kind of glad I didn't after reading this mess. Hopefully Mike comes through on his promise.

I don't want people to question Mike's credibility, so I thought I would mention that on a local board Mike was saying he has a 10.5" AR15 with 40,000 rounds through the barrel and it shoots 1MOA at 100 yards! I don't know if I'm allowed to post links to other boards, but a quick Google search will provide 15min of laughs!

 

[Leadberry]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigBlue&Goldie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW, a buddy and I almost bought a pair of these. I'm kind of glad I didn't after reading this mess. Hopefully Mike comes through on his promise.

I don't want people to question Mike's credibility, so I thought I would mention that on a local board Mike was saying he has a 10.5" AR15 with 40,000 rounds through the barrel and it shoots 1MOA at 100 yards! I don't know if I'm allowed to post links to other boards, but a quick Google search will provide 15min of laughs! </div></div>
While I appreciate the support, bashing Mike, especially on a subject that does not relate at all to this situation, is uncalled for. This thread was intended to be a place to discuss and gather feedback on the situation involving a certain rifle; it was not meant to be a place to insult Mike as a person.

Sean

 

[Mod Adahy]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should have posted what you just wrote much earlier and avoided all of this confusion. But good on you for doing what is right. </div></div>

It looks to me that he did "what is right" by fixing the problem with the firing pin. Mike, you went above the call of duty just to ease the bashing on a forum, which was unfounded. I will be calling in the next few weeks with an order.

 

[phxfa]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

Ive bought 2 of these rifles from Mike, helped me out with a challenge on a Timney trigger AT MY HOME on one of them on his lunch hour,,,couldnt want a better guy to deal with IMHO

 

[Leadberry]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Azprc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should have posted what you just wrote much earlier and avoided all of this confusion. But good on you for doing what is right. </div></div>

It looks to me that he did "what is right" by fixing the problem with the firing pin. Mike, you went above the call of duty just to ease the bashing on a forum, which was unfounded. I will be calling in the next few weeks with an order. </div></div>
That will most likely depend on who you ask. FN maintains that the bolt assembly was defective, and replacing the bolt assembly was necessary to bring the rifle up to their spec; replacing the firing pin would not correct the problem. From what I understand, they felt strongly enough about it that they're willing to replace the bolt for Mike even though I'm receiving a different rifle. I know different people will have different opinions on this, but I wasn't going to chance it. I do agree that Mike never had to volunteer to replace the rifle in the first place, and I thank him for doing so.

Sean

 

[kwak]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAC-CORD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct, I bought a CDNN action only. Comparing it to my A3G, the only differences are serial number, and spelling of Fredericksburg. The A3G is correct: fred<span style="font-weight: bold">E</span>ricksburg, not fredricksburg like the CDNN. </div></div>

"turbo54" This is fair warning... You are treading on dangerous ground, as to insinuate something as I can read between the lines. Your intentionally treading on a persons honor which is mine. Plus trying to damage the validity of the product I am selling as to damage it per a public forum. I hope your catching my drift as I am being nice. SO LET ME BE CLEAR....

These are not CDNN actions that we assembled. Any further notion to such will be dealt with accordingly. Forum or no Forum. You have any issue you deal with me off line as trying to spread rumors is intentional defamation of any individual or company. Should I proceed?

Mike </div></div>

I certainly do not desire to defame anyone, or anyone's livelihood.

The elephant in the room is whether Tac-cord is selling FN-built rifles, covered under FNs lifetime warranty.

How about you clear this up, to end any speculation or rumor.

Are they?

Each time there is a "Premier is going bankrupt" thread, Paul jumps in so members here can be informed, straight from the horses mouth, whats up. </div></div>

Now see that was a fair question. I will be more than happy to take a pic of the box open with the manual, lock, foam wrap, and target... Just for you. </div></div>

We still don't have this picture that you promised. If you can't be trusted in little things like this how can you be trusted in larger things? It is obvious from these additional posts that you can't be trusted at all.

 

[Doug308]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

One of my shooting buddys purchased one of these FN's from Mike, it was NIB, really a very nice rifle, and it shoots under 1/2" with Federal GMM all day long. I know, because I shot some of those groups.

 

[lw8]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leadberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Azprc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You should have posted what you just wrote much earlier and avoided all of this confusion. But good on you for doing what is right. </div></div>

It looks to me that he did "what is right" by fixing the problem with the firing pin. Mike, you went above the call of duty just to ease the bashing on a forum, which was unfounded. I will be calling in the next few weeks with an order. </div></div>
That will most likely depend on who you ask. FN maintains that the bolt assembly was defective, and replacing the bolt assembly was necessary to bring the rifle up to their spec; replacing the firing pin would not correct the problem. From what I understand, they felt strongly enough about it that they're willing to replace the bolt for Mike even though I'm receiving a different rifle. I know different people will have different opinions on this, but I wasn't going to chance it. I do agree that Mike never had to volunteer to replace the rifle in the first place, and I thank him for doing so.

Sean </div></div>

How does it shoot?

 

[Marksman]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

I hate it when non-gun people buy guns.


You bought a mass produced rifle built to take abuse. You did NOT buy a custom rifle built as a show piece for an art museum.


Was your bedding a little off? Who cares! The purpose of bedding is not related to looks. It's related to function. Did the barrel touch the stock along the edges? That seems to be an important part not mentioned.


Was the firing pin out of spec? Possibly. Again, you're talking about a mass produced rifle (and parts) that easily could be slightly out of spec. Sure FN gave you the runaround, and eventually it ended back up to Mike. Mike went out of his way to replace the firing pin and get the gun back to you.


However, it was you that felt entitled to a new rifle after greatly over-embellishing the "problems" with it.


I bought my rifle months ago and Mike was a pleasure to deal with. I got a great rifle at a great price. I beat the crap out of this gun, and I've had no problems with it. I'd certainly buy from him again.

 

[boomfab]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

FWIW I bough one of these SPRs from Tac Coordination and the box it came in had an FN sticker on it that said "barreled action assembly".

And mine was a 2006 vintage rifle that was smack dab in the f*cked up chrome lining serial number range.

It was probably a returned gun that FN had recalled or some other such pig with lipstick.

 

[lachoneus]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

Boomfab,

How well did your SPR end up shooting?

 

[Genius.]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

In regards to the bedding Mike has pictures of it right in the for sale section. he says there is not much to work with, it ain't pretty, but it's functioning and in all the right places.

I'm finding Mike very easy and good to work with and can't wait to get my rifle.

 

[TxShooter63]

Re: FN SPR Bent Firing Pin?

I recently saw a brand new FN SPR bought from Mike and the barrel clearly had less space on one side than the other on the barrel channel. This same rifle went 7 for 10 on a 12"X18" plate at 1000 yards with a long range student at the controls.

I also own the same rifle and it to was purchased from Mike. It appears Mike offered to replace the rifle based on FN's claim that the bolt was bad. Upon inspection, the bolt appears to be ok so Mike backtracks on an offer that was made on incorrect data. Here is a big clue about a bad bolt, the rifle won't function or shoot correctly if the bolt is truly defective.

I once called FN's customer service to inquire about changing the bottom metal on my rifle and I told a friend of mine that I might as well have called a Toyota dealership! Clueless wouldn't begin to cover it! Broken or not broken, why should it take 2-3 months for FN to get a brand new rifle inspected and back to the customer? Whatever Mike did, he did promptly. FN incorrectly diagnosing a problem after a 2 month delay? Given my experience with them I can believe it. My rifle shoots about 3/8" with good ammo and is a pleasure to shoot. Don't let this thread deter you from buying an FN or dealing with Mike. The rifles shoot as well as many costing much more. If you find yourself in need of customer service beyond what Mike can do, good luck calling FN. In my experience you will be extremely happy with the rifle and Mike....