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Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

wIg SpLiTtEr

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Ok, first off I should tell you I will be reloading for a Romanian AK and a Kalashnikov. I bought an RCBS die set for 7.62x39. The die set contains two expander ball's one of which measures .308 & the other .311. That being said, here are my questions... Any additional info to clarify the grey areas of reloading 7.62x39 would be greatly appreciated!

When would one use the .308 vs. .311 expander ball?

If I've already used the .311 expander ball to re-size my brass, and "should have" used the .308, how do I go about shrinking the neck diameter back down to accept .308 projectile?

Thanks,
S2K
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

Just resize using the smaller expander, but make sure you dont need 311. I Find it hard to believe you can reload cheaper than the milsurp stuff out there. If you are asking for advice, you hopefully already know to stay away from steel cases and berdan cases.
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

The basic convention is that domestic barrels use .308 and offshore barrels use .311 expanders. Bullets should match bores, and expanders should match bullets.

Measuring PMC, the bullets are .308; TulAmmo is .310-ish.

I am loading for a Norinco SKS and a Savage Scout, but I use the .308 expander and bullets in both, even though most of the ammo I shoot in the SKS is simply basic TulAmmo FMJ.

The SKS doesn't require, or excell, with special handloads. The Savage Scout is showing promise as a much more responsive rifle.

I would not adjust any existing ammo unless the bullet retention is compromised, and I'd just follow the advice contained in my first two sentences here afterward. After all, we're not talking about LR precision here, and the rifles themselves are quite tolerant of all but the very worst examples of bore/bullet mismatch.

As components go, I find IMR-4198 serves all my needs for the 7.62x39, match primers are overkill, and IMI brass is excellent. I give my IMI to a friend who shoots cast bullets, use FC and PMC, and suggest you check all commercial Boxer brass for primer crimps.

I agree that handloading for AK's and SKS's may not be cost effective, and the rifles will not return much of the hard work investment in the form of significantly improved accuracy. For semi's; I am basically committed to TulAmmo; it's cheap enough and certainly works well enough.

But the Savage Scout has both the Accu-Stock and Accu-Trigger, has a floated barrel, and is coming along quite nicely with 110 V-Max and IMR-4198. Not there yet, but it's getting down to around 1MOA, and will probably (hopefully?) go lower.

The differences between the 7.62x39 and a .30PPC are mainly a matter of semantics, IMHO.

Someday, I plan do a build on the Scout and prove that. It wouldn't take much, I'd start with a longer (than 20.5"), and slightly stiffer barrel; and I don't think it would take much more than that at all.

Greg
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

i wouldnt worry about it., .003 tension variation is almost insignificant considering your shooting an ak. You'll probably want to use a heavy crimp. When i load for my ak, if i dont use a heavy crimp bullets will often sink back into the case.

so, .003 neck tension is insignificant.( uh, unless your already running .008 neck tension, then that .003 difference will be significant , i wouldn't want more then .008 tension, or the bullets will just start to act like an expander themselves)
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

For the crappy accuracy from both of my SKS's I don't think it'd make a difference which bullet diameter was loaded. If you have a good shooter figured out which bullet is better and stick with it.
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

Great advice above. If you like the round and want to expand platforms...this cartride does VERY WELL in the AR-15 platform with sub MOA results. Building a hunter model with a 20" barrel.
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

I'm not sure all the work is worth the results. So you make a sub MOA gun for a cartridge that has about the same down-range energy as a 30-30. It drops like a rock because of the low energy and low BC. As a result, your come-ups are huge. So now you have all that time and money in a 250 yard coyote gun or a 150 yard white tail gun, maybe.
 
Re: Reloading 7.62x39 Questions

If all I did was long range shooting, that would be a valid premise. But I already have some really good guns for that.

Those same guns could be considered overkill for the distances for which you and I agree the 7.62x39's are ideal.

I have no problem with rifles that are optimized for shorter distances. Mostly, that's what I shoot these days; and it's a damned fine caliber to train the young 'uns with at those distances. My 15 y/o, 100lb Granddaughter is becoming one fine Zombiewhacker with the SKS and Savage Scout.

Greg