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Best rifle and optics choice

gtmylo

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I am looking to purchase my first .50, and as you can imagine I am a bit conflicted, so I am hoping for some input on rifle and optics selection...

RIFLE SELECTION QUESTIONS:
While I am certainly no match shooter, I am not one to "trade up" later... I do want the best rifle with the most accuracy at the longest range, and am also concered about quality and reliability. Last, but still important comes price. I prefer to sacrifice a few extra thousand up front to get better quality and performance if needed, rather than try and move up the chain to higher quality later. However, after going back and forth on the trade off for what you get for what price, I think I have been pretty convinced that I do not need to get into the EDM Windrunner/McMillian TAC-50 price range, and after considering the Ferret50, Barret 99, and Serbu, I want to say I have more or less settled on AR-50 and think I can get everything I need out of that, being the best trade off of cost vs. accuracy, quality, etc, etc (and by ALL means, please correct me if anyone thinks otherwise). As an aside, I was also attracted to the idea that the AR-50 may have *slightly* less recoil than some others, if that is true.

So, if we are to accept the above premise (again, input is welcome) I then would like to know what people think between the standard AR-50 vs. the National Match model? Is the extra $1000 for the match chamber and barrel worth the added cost? Again, while I am not a match shooter, I am not a terrible shot, and I want to know the weapon is the most accurate it can be (and be assured that my poor skills are the reason I am not on target). Basically, I would not like the weapon to be the limiting factor should my skills ever advance to the point that I would want to participate in matches, especially if that happened before my budget grew enough to facilitate a higher dollar weapon. A related question... would the match chamber limit my ammo choices to only match ammo? I am not necessarily opposed to that as I do plan to budget for the dies to load my own as well, but I am curious to what kind of impact this choice will have on ammo options.

OPTICS QUESTIONS:
As far as optics, I have more or less decided on the Nightforce 12-42x56mm. I am debating between the benchrest model and the NXS. While I do not want to sacrifice precision, I certainly want rugged durability, leaning me more towards the NXS. That being said, it is unlikely that I will ever be "in the field" with my rifle, outside a SHTF scenario, of course, which I am certainly not coutning out. So, is the NXS worth the added cost (and is there really any sacrifice when it comes to accuracy?), or should I stick with the benchrest model? I also think I like the NP-R1, but any feedback there would also be appreciated.

Thank you in advance for reading, I know I can be a bit longwinded, but with such a high-dollar decision, I want as much help from experts like yourself in ensuring I make the right one
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yeaaaah, I honestly would love to, but I think I would be creating a need for a divorce lawyer which I would then not be able to afford
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That is also why I did not want to go upper mid-range like TAC-50, because I figure I will settle on AR-50 which is lower price tag, then (someday?) when I have the bigger budget to play with I can go with the AI
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well... I did add "Last, but still important comes price" ...so I am mostly looking for input on whether or not anything in the same range (Serbu, Ferret, Barret) is worth the price difference, unless someone was able to adamantly convince me why something like a TAC-50 is worth double the price of the AR-50, when what I have read leads me to believe similar if not the same performance can be achieved with the AR-50... again, all open to correction by anyone out there... but obviously if I went AI, there would be no question about having the best, and the decision would be simple
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I suggest reviewing your optic choice.

Things that stick out to me about the high zoom NF scopes is that the reticule only scales correctly at 22x, and there is a marked loss in available elevation adjustment range.

Personally I suggest a 5.5-22x nxs. Almost double the elevation range and reticule reading is correct at Max zoom. Simple.

If you want high zoom, look at a us optics sn-9.
 
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Thanks for the input, Ledzep... anyone else had that experience?

Would definitely be curious to hear what others think on the extent of zoom required for accuracy at 1,000 (or even 2000+)yds... As mentioned, if I am going to invest, even if I only shoot at 2,000+ yards once a year, I want my optics to give me the ability to do so.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gtmylo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
While I am certainly no match shooter... the most accuracy at the longest range...
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Maybe you should consider looking at a .338 instead. Frankly IMO unless you're looking to take down an armored target I don't see the .50 being the best choice for the conditions you've stated. Now if you simply want a .50 for the sake of saying you've got one then you get what you pay for.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gtmylo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the input, Ledzep... anyone else had that experience?

Would definitely be curious to hear what others think on the extent of zoom required for accuracy at 1,000 (or even 2000+)yds... As mentioned, if I am going to invest, even if I only shoot at 2,000+ yards once a year, I want my optics to give me the ability to do so. </div></div>

My .50 runs a 3.5-15x50 NF NXS, NP-R2. I suggest the NP-R1 or MOAR. More definition and it's still not cluttered. Anyway, I shoot mine to 1000 fairly regularly, and have gone as far as 1400yd shooting at a 20" disk, and have not had issues with needing more zoom. 22x is more than enough to get you beyond 1000-1500yd. If you do plan to shoot beyond 1500, you DEFINITELY want as much elevation travel as you can get.

Also, I would suggest a .338. Honestly you don't need a .50bmg for 1000-2000yd. Mine is mostly a pyrotechnic bullet thrower (API, APIT, incendiary, spotter tracer etc.) for the light show. I have developed an accurate Amax load for it, but it kills the bank at $3.25 a round. If I had a .338 lapua, I lose the API/APIT ability, but price/shot for long-range accuracy drops to just over $1/rnd. And I suspect it would be much easier to get a much more accurate load going. Something to think about for sure.
 
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+1 on .338. Not real sure why you want an .50 cal, but if your looking for accuracy at long distance, it wasn't my choice. I recently went through a similar thought process. I decided .50 is great for anti-material, but most of those things are large 20-50 MOA at 1000. I decided on .338 instead.
 
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Like I said, I am not a match shooter (at the moment), but I do want the option to compete and so I need max accuracy for my buck... at the same time, I also DO like the anti-material capabilities for a SHTF scenario. I should mention I have an M1A, so that should hold me over for a while, and after all the strong recommendations I feel like my next purchase AFTER the .50 may very well be the .338
 
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We have a AR-50 for our snipers.It was the best shooting fairly cheap production model out there.It shot MUCH better that the Barretts that we t&e'd

Never shot the match AR-50 but don't know how much cost vs return there could be as the regular model works very well.

we have ours tooped with a Leupold 6.5x20 M-1 and that works very well too. If you can afford the Nightforce it is a good choice.
 
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I was wondering the consensus on FFP vs. SFP for optics... seems all the Nightforce NXS (except the F1, obviously) are SFP... I think I am now leaning towards the NXS 8-32x as a compromise, but I am wondering if anyone uses FFP optics, and if they consider that a significant advantage over SFP? I am guessing with the long range shots, the size of the reticle markings would obscure too much of the target to make FFP practical for 1000+, but would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the subject.
 
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I have a couple IOR'S. A 3-18 and a 6-24, both first focal and will never go back to second. No more guessing elevation/?power for holdover.If your going for the best/affordable scope, IOR isn,t a bad option. If you have the clams buy a better scope and use it on several guns.
 
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On scopes: I would definitely stick with FFP. I've had/have Premier's, USO's, and a NF F1. All good scopes for their price point. As far as reticle size being a problem, don't give it a second thought unless your shooting ridiculously small targets at extended distances. The F1 MLR reticle made hits on a 12" steel @ 1000 no sweat.

On rifles: Not to be a broken record, but I'd go with a 338 too. For about 3k you can find a TRG-42 that will outshoot what most individual's are capable of under normal field conditions with the added benefit of a not needing shoulder surgery after an extended day at the range!
 
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Thanks for the input.

What would you consider
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonthomps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ridiculously small targets </div></div>
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And what is a <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonthomps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">extended distance</div></div>
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What about use in match shooting? Any experience there?