Reloading for buddy, what bushing size for Redding neck dies using Winchester brass/ 208 AMAX? Thanks
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Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
load a bullet in case, measure the OD of the neck of loaded round, subtract .002. There`s your bushing size.
load a bullet in case, measure the OD of the neck of loaded round, subtract .002. There`s your bushing size.
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">load a bullet in case, measure the OD of the neck of loaded round, subtract .002. There`s your bushing size. </div></div>
Not exactly true unless the fired case neck O.D. and the target neck O.D. are less than 0.004" difference. If the difference is greater than 0.005" the case neck will almost always be 0.001"-0.002" SMALLER than the desired O.D. requiring a larger than expected bushing.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: excaliber</div><div class="ubbcode-body">load a bullet in case, measure the OD of the neck of loaded round, subtract .002. There`s your bushing size. </div></div>
Not exactly true unless the fired case neck O.D. and the target neck O.D. are less than 0.004" difference. If the difference is greater than 0.005" the case neck will almost always be 0.001"-0.002" SMALLER than the desired O.D. requiring a larger than expected bushing.
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
Appreciate the info, the problem is I was trying to order everything at once from midway, so I don't have any brass/bullets yet.
Appreciate the info, the problem is I was trying to order everything at once from midway, so I don't have any brass/bullets yet.
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Appreciate the info, the problem is I was trying to order everything at once from midway, so I don't have any brass/bullets yet. </div></div>
If you are going to use a bushing die you will likely need two, three or more bushings even is you only have one brand of brass. What kind of brass do you have or want to buy? Chances are somebody here can get you pretty close and then you just need to buy one size up and one size down and you will be pretty close.
HTH!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Appreciate the info, the problem is I was trying to order everything at once from midway, so I don't have any brass/bullets yet. </div></div>
If you are going to use a bushing die you will likely need two, three or more bushings even is you only have one brand of brass. What kind of brass do you have or want to buy? Chances are somebody here can get you pretty close and then you just need to buy one size up and one size down and you will be pretty close.
HTH!
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM
Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
Win. Brass 208 AMAX >332 Bushing>expander. That's where I am. TRG 42, 300 Win Mag.
Win. Brass 208 AMAX >332 Bushing>expander. That's where I am. TRG 42, 300 Win Mag.
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
Thanks Josh
Thanks Josh
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Josh </div></div>
See it works! O.K. there is one guy any more people with case data for the OP?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Josh </div></div>
See it works! O.K. there is one guy any more people with case data for the OP?
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
My God! I'm "Blushing", over my bushing! Just trying to help. But, ALAS, This "works" in My TRG. It may not work in your 5R. Keep chasing the dragon. But, some times, a little help, will do? I bought 3-$14 bushings. Started with the 332. seems to be "working great". BUT.... endless hours, at the bench, and range, MAY give me "better" results. That's for another "season".Right now, I'm at 1/4 MOA, at 100.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Josh </div></div>
My God! I'm "Blushing", over my bushing! Just trying to help. But, ALAS, This "works" in My TRG. It may not work in your 5R. Keep chasing the dragon. But, some times, a little help, will do? I bought 3-$14 bushings. Started with the 332. seems to be "working great". BUT.... endless hours, at the bench, and range, MAY give me "better" results. That's for another "season".Right now, I'm at 1/4 MOA, at 100.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Josh </div></div>
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM </div></div>
I have to pip in here and cannot suggest strongly enough that you not order anything until after you have read German Salazar's articles on reloading. Look at the Index to Rifleman's Journal articles. I know you don't really want to hear this but if you have not read Salazar's outstanding articles you really need to at least for now read his reloading articles which address virtually every possible isssue regarding handloading ammunition from a nationally competitive shooter's perspective. By delaying and reading these articles you will save a lot of money. Knowledge is power, use it.
Based on German's testing, depending on your press and the workflow you develop you may want to consider buying a small range of bushing dies to be sure you always have the right size on hand for the method you employ. As I had previously posted above if you are going to be using a single neck and full length body sizing pass you will likely need a 0.001" - 0.002" larger size bushing to get the Redding recommended 0.001" case neck tension.
For any magnum cartridge I would recommend full length sizing because with factory chambers it's likely your fired brass will be 0.08"-0.10" possibly larger than your desired case O.D. Normally if you have to neck size down more than 0.005" you will get MUCH BETTER results using a two-step neck sizing process. This method avoids unpredictable case neck O.D. and developing concentricity issues and promotes proper headspacing during full length sizing all of which are key features of handloaded vs. commercial cartridges.
I can highly recommend the Redding Competition and Redding Type S full length bushing dies as they form a corrective process when used in conjunction with a Redding Competition bullet seater. I have tested many of the other popular brands and model dies with inconsistent results over many many years.
About three years ago I had been working pretty hard on developing a better reloading workflow around my original 30+ year old Dillon 550 press with Redding Competition and Type S full bushing dies used serially with hand scaled powder charges and a Redding Competition bullet seater. My workflow had evolved into a conventional batch process that puts only one case in the press per pull of the lever just like a single stage press. I was almost there producing very good loaded rounds, when it all worked right. But the process was not always producing perfect finished rounds as neck tension sometimes varied more than I wanted and I sometimes found myself chasing headspace during the sizing process.
So while doing some research I found German Salazar's index of his impressive body of work and the at the time new articles on two step neck sizing and concentricity etc. So I studied what he had tested and written up implementing as many of German's ideas as possible into my new workflow using the Redding dies I had been using and by happy coincidence which German also found to be some of the best dies. I found my new workflow to produce results that were better than any of the other combinations of different brands and model dies I tried.
With some modifications made to mthe Dillon 550 press hardware the precision and repeatability of the finished rounds is pretty good. The improvements are measurably better and produce very good results in the real world. My stock beater Remington 5R receiver w/24" barrel and Huber 2-stage trigger dropped into an AICS chassis now shoots well under 1/2 MOA and reliably hits 0.2mil targets out to 1,000 yards off the bipod with this handloaded ammunition. This rifle had not previously shot this well with 168gr or 175gr FGMM, BHM or Prvi Match loads.
Read the German Salazar articles they will make you a MUCH better handloader. If you follow his hard earned and tested advice you will produce much better ammunition much sooner with fewer mistakes and with less money spent to get there. Trust me.
HTH!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM </div></div>
I have to pip in here and cannot suggest strongly enough that you not order anything until after you have read German Salazar's articles on reloading. Look at the Index to Rifleman's Journal articles. I know you don't really want to hear this but if you have not read Salazar's outstanding articles you really need to at least for now read his reloading articles which address virtually every possible isssue regarding handloading ammunition from a nationally competitive shooter's perspective. By delaying and reading these articles you will save a lot of money. Knowledge is power, use it.
Based on German's testing, depending on your press and the workflow you develop you may want to consider buying a small range of bushing dies to be sure you always have the right size on hand for the method you employ. As I had previously posted above if you are going to be using a single neck and full length body sizing pass you will likely need a 0.001" - 0.002" larger size bushing to get the Redding recommended 0.001" case neck tension.
For any magnum cartridge I would recommend full length sizing because with factory chambers it's likely your fired brass will be 0.08"-0.10" possibly larger than your desired case O.D. Normally if you have to neck size down more than 0.005" you will get MUCH BETTER results using a two-step neck sizing process. This method avoids unpredictable case neck O.D. and developing concentricity issues and promotes proper headspacing during full length sizing all of which are key features of handloaded vs. commercial cartridges.
I can highly recommend the Redding Competition and Redding Type S full length bushing dies as they form a corrective process when used in conjunction with a Redding Competition bullet seater. I have tested many of the other popular brands and model dies with inconsistent results over many many years.
About three years ago I had been working pretty hard on developing a better reloading workflow around my original 30+ year old Dillon 550 press with Redding Competition and Type S full bushing dies used serially with hand scaled powder charges and a Redding Competition bullet seater. My workflow had evolved into a conventional batch process that puts only one case in the press per pull of the lever just like a single stage press. I was almost there producing very good loaded rounds, when it all worked right. But the process was not always producing perfect finished rounds as neck tension sometimes varied more than I wanted and I sometimes found myself chasing headspace during the sizing process.
So while doing some research I found German Salazar's index of his impressive body of work and the at the time new articles on two step neck sizing and concentricity etc. So I studied what he had tested and written up implementing as many of German's ideas as possible into my new workflow using the Redding dies I had been using and by happy coincidence which German also found to be some of the best dies. I found my new workflow to produce results that were better than any of the other combinations of different brands and model dies I tried.
With some modifications made to mthe Dillon 550 press hardware the precision and repeatability of the finished rounds is pretty good. The improvements are measurably better and produce very good results in the real world. My stock beater Remington 5R receiver w/24" barrel and Huber 2-stage trigger dropped into an AICS chassis now shoots well under 1/2 MOA and reliably hits 0.2mil targets out to 1,000 yards off the bipod with this handloaded ammunition. This rifle had not previously shot this well with 168gr or 175gr FGMM, BHM or Prvi Match loads.
Read the German Salazar articles they will make you a MUCH better handloader. If you follow his hard earned and tested advice you will produce much better ammunition much sooner with fewer mistakes and with less money spent to get there. Trust me.
HTH!
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
++++++ 1, for that! Info is key! You "can" get a starter kit, but be ready to upgrade. I had lots of fun, for the first few years, until I did the research. then my eyes were opened, to a whole New world.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YAOG</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM </div></div>
I have to pip in here and cannot suggest strongly enough that you not order anything until after you have read German Salazar's articles on reloading. Look at the Index to Rifleman's Journal articles. I know you don't really want to hear this but if you have not read Salazar's outstanding articles you really need to at least for now read his reloading articles which address virtually every possible isssue regarding handloading ammunition from a nationally competitive shooter's perspective. By delaying and reading these articles you will save a lot of money. Knowledge is power, use it.
Based on German's testing, depending on your press and the workflow you develop you may want to consider buying a small range of bushing dies to be sure you always have the right size on hand for the method you employ. As I had previously posted above if you are going to be using a single neck and full length body sizing pass you will likely need a 0.001" - 0.002" larger size bushing to get the Redding recommended 0.001" case neck tension.
For any magnum cartridge I would recommend full length sizing because with factory chambers it's likely your fired brass will be 0.08"-0.10" possibly larger than your desired case O.D. Normally if you have to neck size down more than 0.005" you will get MUCH BETTER results using a two-step neck sizing process. This method avoids unpredictable case neck O.D. and developing concentricity issues and promotes proper headspacing during full length sizing all of which are key features of handloaded vs. commercial cartridges.
I can highly recommend the Redding Competition and Redding Type S full length bushing dies as they form a corrective process when used in conjunction with a Redding Competition bullet seater. I have tested many of the other popular brands and model dies with inconsistent results over many many years.
About three years ago I had been working pretty hard on developing a better reloading workflow around my original 30+ year old Dillon 550 press with Redding Competition and Type S full bushing dies used serially with hand scaled powder charges and a Redding Competition bullet seater. My workflow had evolved into a conventional batch process that puts only one case in the press per pull of the lever just like a single stage press. I was almost there producing very good loaded rounds, when it all worked right. But the process was not always producing perfect finished rounds as neck tension sometimes varied more than I wanted and I sometimes found myself chasing headspace during the sizing process.
So while doing some research I found German Salazar's index of his impressive body of work and the at the time new articles on two step neck sizing and concentricity etc. So I studied what he had tested and written up implementing as many of German's ideas as possible into my new workflow using the Redding dies I had been using and by happy coincidence which German also found to be some of the best dies. I found my new workflow to produce results that were better than any of the other combinations of different brands and model dies I tried.
With some modifications made to mthe Dillon 550 press hardware the precision and repeatability of the finished rounds is pretty good. The improvements are measurably better and produce very good results in the real world. My stock beater Remington 5R receiver w/24" barrel and Huber 2-stage trigger dropped into an AICS chassis now shoots well under 1/2 MOA and reliably hits 0.2mil targets out to 1,000 yards off the bipod with this handloaded ammunition. This rifle had not previously shot this well with 168gr or 175gr FGMM, BHM or Prvi Match loads.
Read the German Salazar articles they will make you a MUCH better handloader. If you follow his hard earned and tested advice you will produce much better ammunition much sooner with fewer mistakes and with less money spent to get there. Trust me.
HTH!
</div></div>
++++++ 1, for that! Info is key! You "can" get a starter kit, but be ready to upgrade. I had lots of fun, for the first few years, until I did the research. then my eyes were opened, to a whole New world.<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YAOG</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Winchester brass in a factory 5R 300 WM </div></div>
I have to pip in here and cannot suggest strongly enough that you not order anything until after you have read German Salazar's articles on reloading. Look at the Index to Rifleman's Journal articles. I know you don't really want to hear this but if you have not read Salazar's outstanding articles you really need to at least for now read his reloading articles which address virtually every possible isssue regarding handloading ammunition from a nationally competitive shooter's perspective. By delaying and reading these articles you will save a lot of money. Knowledge is power, use it.
Based on German's testing, depending on your press and the workflow you develop you may want to consider buying a small range of bushing dies to be sure you always have the right size on hand for the method you employ. As I had previously posted above if you are going to be using a single neck and full length body sizing pass you will likely need a 0.001" - 0.002" larger size bushing to get the Redding recommended 0.001" case neck tension.
For any magnum cartridge I would recommend full length sizing because with factory chambers it's likely your fired brass will be 0.08"-0.10" possibly larger than your desired case O.D. Normally if you have to neck size down more than 0.005" you will get MUCH BETTER results using a two-step neck sizing process. This method avoids unpredictable case neck O.D. and developing concentricity issues and promotes proper headspacing during full length sizing all of which are key features of handloaded vs. commercial cartridges.
I can highly recommend the Redding Competition and Redding Type S full length bushing dies as they form a corrective process when used in conjunction with a Redding Competition bullet seater. I have tested many of the other popular brands and model dies with inconsistent results over many many years.
About three years ago I had been working pretty hard on developing a better reloading workflow around my original 30+ year old Dillon 550 press with Redding Competition and Type S full bushing dies used serially with hand scaled powder charges and a Redding Competition bullet seater. My workflow had evolved into a conventional batch process that puts only one case in the press per pull of the lever just like a single stage press. I was almost there producing very good loaded rounds, when it all worked right. But the process was not always producing perfect finished rounds as neck tension sometimes varied more than I wanted and I sometimes found myself chasing headspace during the sizing process.
So while doing some research I found German Salazar's index of his impressive body of work and the at the time new articles on two step neck sizing and concentricity etc. So I studied what he had tested and written up implementing as many of German's ideas as possible into my new workflow using the Redding dies I had been using and by happy coincidence which German also found to be some of the best dies. I found my new workflow to produce results that were better than any of the other combinations of different brands and model dies I tried.
With some modifications made to mthe Dillon 550 press hardware the precision and repeatability of the finished rounds is pretty good. The improvements are measurably better and produce very good results in the real world. My stock beater Remington 5R receiver w/24" barrel and Huber 2-stage trigger dropped into an AICS chassis now shoots well under 1/2 MOA and reliably hits 0.2mil targets out to 1,000 yards off the bipod with this handloaded ammunition. This rifle had not previously shot this well with 168gr or 175gr FGMM, BHM or Prvi Match loads.
Read the German Salazar articles they will make you a MUCH better handloader. If you follow his hard earned and tested advice you will produce much better ammunition much sooner with fewer mistakes and with less money spent to get there. Trust me.
HTH!
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Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
I'll have to pick up his book, thanks for the suggestion.
I'll have to pick up his book, thanks for the suggestion.
Re: 5R 300 WM- What Bushing??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll have to pick up his book, thanks for the suggestion. </div></div>
Book? No German Salazar has an on-line blog and the articles are here at The Rifleman's Journal Index
HTH!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Special Delivery</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll have to pick up his book, thanks for the suggestion. </div></div>
Book? No German Salazar has an on-line blog and the articles are here at The Rifleman's Journal Index
HTH!
