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Idiot probably thought they were Muslim.
Idiot probably thought they were Muslim.
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What a dumbass, you'd think the hillbilly racist would at least know muslims don't go to church on Sundays.
What a dumbass, you'd think the hillbilly racist would at least know muslims don't go to church on Sundays.
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I just heard a report that a gunman was shot inside the temple. Hopefully an armed member took the scumbag out.
I just heard a report that a gunman was shot inside the temple. Hopefully an armed member took the scumbag out.
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Wait a minute, I thought CCW was prohibited in places of worship
Guess the gunman didnt read the rules............like they usually do anyway.
Wait a minute, I thought CCW was prohibited in places of worship
Guess the gunman didnt read the rules............like they usually do anyway.
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Cop shot him, not an armed CCW carrier ...
Cop shot him, not an armed CCW carrier ...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cop shot him, not an armed CCW carrier ... </div></div>
Yea, I was being a smart ass directed at the CCW restrictions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cop shot him, not an armed CCW carrier ... </div></div>
Yea, I was being a smart ass directed at the CCW restrictions.
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He (the suspect) shot the responding LEO who returned fire striking the suspect. The officer will survive.
"Active shooter" calls, train for them, get your mind right. They're happening more and more.
He (the suspect) shot the responding LEO who returned fire striking the suspect. The officer will survive.
"Active shooter" calls, train for them, get your mind right. They're happening more and more.
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Where is the facepalm??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: </div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its pretty much a hate crime</div></div>
Its always a hatecrime, surely the guy was white then.
Where is the facepalm??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: </div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its pretty much a hate crime</div></div>
Its always a hatecrime, surely the guy was white then.
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What a clown. Sikhs are one of two main faith traditions of Eastern Indians. Eastern Indians are either Hindu or Sikh. Sikhs wear turbins. A few Indians are Catholic but they all come from only one of 25 of the Indian states, Kerala, a southwestern coastal state where St. Thomas is believed to have evangelized in early Christian history.
So, by far, the vast majority of Indians are Sikh and Hindu, mostly Hindu, and no Sikhs are any other heritage but Indian, though there might be a few exceptions.
After years of discord, Muslim Indians stayed with Pakistan in the far north of India when they split with the Hindu Indians a long time back, but they intermingle in India, and in other countries like this one.
What a clown. Sikhs are one of two main faith traditions of Eastern Indians. Eastern Indians are either Hindu or Sikh. Sikhs wear turbins. A few Indians are Catholic but they all come from only one of 25 of the Indian states, Kerala, a southwestern coastal state where St. Thomas is believed to have evangelized in early Christian history.
So, by far, the vast majority of Indians are Sikh and Hindu, mostly Hindu, and no Sikhs are any other heritage but Indian, though there might be a few exceptions.
After years of discord, Muslim Indians stayed with Pakistan in the far north of India when they split with the Hindu Indians a long time back, but they intermingle in India, and in other countries like this one.
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Congratulations to the police officer for a job well done.
It's unfortunate he was injured so many times in the process.
Congratulations to the police officer for a job well done.
It's unfortunate he was injured so many times in the process.
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I thought devout sikhs carried these at all times:
Suprised he didn't get shanked!
I thought devout sikhs carried these at all times:
Suprised he didn't get shanked!
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Where's our resident Sikh when we need him.
Where's our resident Sikh when we need him.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's our resident Sikh when we need him. </div></div>
^this, I've been waiting for him to chime in.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's our resident Sikh when we need him. </div></div>
^this, I've been waiting for him to chime in.
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I'm still reeling. Something like this is one of the reasons that I'm pretty much always armed, and especially at the gurdwara.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the facepalm??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: </div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its pretty much a hate crime</div></div>
Its always a hatecrime, surely the guy was white then. </div></div>
One of the congregants had stated that the shooter was an outsider, and reading between the lines I've surmised that he wasn't a Sikh. One of the media accounts had quoted someone onsite as saying that the shooter was a heavyset white male in his mid-30s. Sikhs <span style="font-style: italic">have</span> been subject to hate crimes in the past, and it's never far from our minds, no matter the race of the perpetrator. Nonetheless, it's unfair that one race or another should be constantly associated with any crime by the media. Finally, generally speaking, most of the problems associated with gurdwaras are internal and arise from some serious schisms within the faith.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a clown. Sikhs are one of two main faith traditions of Eastern Indians. Eastern Indians are either Hindu or Sikh. Sikhs wear turbins. A few Indians are Catholic but they all come from only one of 25 of the Indian states, Kerala, a southwestern coastal state where St. Thomas is believed to have evangelized in early Christian history.</div></div>
Casey, check out my avatar. There <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a reason that Snoop is in a turb<span style="font-weight: bold">a</span>n. This reminds me of so many posts written hereabouts by proud compressed air rifle and SKS owners. Firstly, Sikhism comes from the Punjab, a region that sits astride the border between Pakistan and lower Northwestern India. Secondly, there are many religions in India; 60% of Punjabi Indians are Sikh, but nationally within India Sikhs are only about 2% of the population.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, by far, the vast majority of Indians are Sikh and Hindu, mostly Hindu, and no Sikhs are any other heritage but Indian, though there might be a few exceptions.</div></div>
QED, Sikhs are only in the majority in the Punjab in India. Hinduism <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> the majority religion in India, and yes, there are glaring exceptions (Pakistanis, Afghanis, me) to your supposition that there are no Sikhs but Indian ones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After years of discord, Muslim Indians stayed with Pakistan in the far north of India when they split with the Hindu Indians a long time back, but they intermingle in India, and in other countries like this one. </div></div>
Check your map of the subcontinent to get an idea of where India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh sit in relation to each other. That "split" was a political boondoggle in 1947 engineered by the British, with the cooperation of Hindu and Muslim leaders (Gandhi, Jenna, etc.), that in the Punjab resulted in one of the bloodiest resettlements ever witnessed by man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought devout sikhs carried these at all times:
Suprised he didn't get shanked! </div></div>
Firearms have a greater range, quite obviously. Undoubtedly, at closer range, it might have occurred to someone to defend themselves and others with a kirpan.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's our resident Sikh when we need him. </div></div>
I've spent the past few hours in prayer, where I should have been. I wouldn't mind at all if any of you would send your own kneemail for the police officer who was wounded and the victims at the gurdwara.
I'm still reeling. Something like this is one of the reasons that I'm pretty much always armed, and especially at the gurdwara.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is the facepalm??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: </div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its pretty much a hate crime</div></div>
Its always a hatecrime, surely the guy was white then. </div></div>
One of the congregants had stated that the shooter was an outsider, and reading between the lines I've surmised that he wasn't a Sikh. One of the media accounts had quoted someone onsite as saying that the shooter was a heavyset white male in his mid-30s. Sikhs <span style="font-style: italic">have</span> been subject to hate crimes in the past, and it's never far from our minds, no matter the race of the perpetrator. Nonetheless, it's unfair that one race or another should be constantly associated with any crime by the media. Finally, generally speaking, most of the problems associated with gurdwaras are internal and arise from some serious schisms within the faith.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a clown. Sikhs are one of two main faith traditions of Eastern Indians. Eastern Indians are either Hindu or Sikh. Sikhs wear turbins. A few Indians are Catholic but they all come from only one of 25 of the Indian states, Kerala, a southwestern coastal state where St. Thomas is believed to have evangelized in early Christian history.</div></div>
Casey, check out my avatar. There <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a reason that Snoop is in a turb<span style="font-weight: bold">a</span>n. This reminds me of so many posts written hereabouts by proud compressed air rifle and SKS owners. Firstly, Sikhism comes from the Punjab, a region that sits astride the border between Pakistan and lower Northwestern India. Secondly, there are many religions in India; 60% of Punjabi Indians are Sikh, but nationally within India Sikhs are only about 2% of the population.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, by far, the vast majority of Indians are Sikh and Hindu, mostly Hindu, and no Sikhs are any other heritage but Indian, though there might be a few exceptions.</div></div>
QED, Sikhs are only in the majority in the Punjab in India. Hinduism <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> the majority religion in India, and yes, there are glaring exceptions (Pakistanis, Afghanis, me) to your supposition that there are no Sikhs but Indian ones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After years of discord, Muslim Indians stayed with Pakistan in the far north of India when they split with the Hindu Indians a long time back, but they intermingle in India, and in other countries like this one. </div></div>
Check your map of the subcontinent to get an idea of where India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh sit in relation to each other. That "split" was a political boondoggle in 1947 engineered by the British, with the cooperation of Hindu and Muslim leaders (Gandhi, Jenna, etc.), that in the Punjab resulted in one of the bloodiest resettlements ever witnessed by man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought devout sikhs carried these at all times:
Suprised he didn't get shanked! </div></div>
Firearms have a greater range, quite obviously. Undoubtedly, at closer range, it might have occurred to someone to defend themselves and others with a kirpan.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's our resident Sikh when we need him. </div></div>
I've spent the past few hours in prayer, where I should have been. I wouldn't mind at all if any of you would send your own kneemail for the police officer who was wounded and the victims at the gurdwara.
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I've always had great respect for the Sikh, its really a shame that this happened. The gunman got exactly what he deserves, this hate crime is despicable.
I've always had great respect for the Sikh, its really a shame that this happened. The gunman got exactly what he deserves, this hate crime is despicable.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've spent the past few hours in prayer, where I should have been. I wouldn't mind at all if any of you would send your own kneemail for the police officer who was wounded and the victims at the gurdwara. </div></div>
I've not seen the news in several hours. I didn't know the outcome until a few minutes ago. My thoughts are with the victims and their families, the wounded officer, as well as the rest of the followers of the Sikh faith.
Senseless violence and loss of life.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've spent the past few hours in prayer, where I should have been. I wouldn't mind at all if any of you would send your own kneemail for the police officer who was wounded and the victims at the gurdwara. </div></div>
I've not seen the news in several hours. I didn't know the outcome until a few minutes ago. My thoughts are with the victims and their families, the wounded officer, as well as the rest of the followers of the Sikh faith.
Senseless violence and loss of life.
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wait till Piers Morgan gets ahold of this...
wait till Piers Morgan gets ahold of this...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kaleka said the gunman started shooting in the parking lot, "then entered into the temple and proceeded to open fire."
"It seems the few casualties that have been divulged to me have been the equivalent of priests, the holy leaders of our people," he said. "My uncle is one of the administrators of the temple. It's mainly those individuals who have been targeted or shot. Maybe it's because the ladies were fortunate enough to dodge it out, but so far most of the people I've heard have been shot and killed were all turbaned males."</div></div>
FWIW, we don't have "priests," not in the sense that anyone is there to give us their expert opinion or intercede for us with any Higher Authority. Their role is more in taking care of the facilities and leading the congregation in devotional practice. In a typical gurdwara they are never dressed in Western fashion, and as initiated male Sikhs (99.9% are male) they would have had full beards and turbans, for sure.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kaleka said the gunman started shooting in the parking lot, "then entered into the temple and proceeded to open fire."
"It seems the few casualties that have been divulged to me have been the equivalent of priests, the holy leaders of our people," he said. "My uncle is one of the administrators of the temple. It's mainly those individuals who have been targeted or shot. Maybe it's because the ladies were fortunate enough to dodge it out, but so far most of the people I've heard have been shot and killed were all turbaned males."</div></div>
FWIW, we don't have "priests," not in the sense that anyone is there to give us their expert opinion or intercede for us with any Higher Authority. Their role is more in taking care of the facilities and leading the congregation in devotional practice. In a typical gurdwara they are never dressed in Western fashion, and as initiated male Sikhs (99.9% are male) they would have had full beards and turbans, for sure.
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I don't believe in "hate crimes" as some subset of murder. All murder is hate. All murder is a disgusting disregard for human life for the twisted purpose of the murderer.
My heart goes out to the families affected by yet another act of selfish violence.
Be vigilant and prepared y'all.
I don't believe in "hate crimes" as some subset of murder. All murder is hate. All murder is a disgusting disregard for human life for the twisted purpose of the murderer.
My heart goes out to the families affected by yet another act of selfish violence.
Be vigilant and prepared y'all.
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This is another senseless crime and more fuel for the antigunners. This will bring up more debate for gun control.
This is another senseless crime and more fuel for the antigunners. This will bring up more debate for gun control.
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<span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Mr. Pink. That Avatar is awesome.
A <span style="font-style: italic">little</span> off topic, but a point of clarification is appropriate in that there is the implicit suggestion that Christian priests give expert opinions or intercede for others. Priests do not do that.
Instead, ordained (Roman Catholic) priests, having studied philosophy, scripture, theology, Latin, etc., and been tested for six years, the equivalent of a Ph.D. program, offer spiritual guidance and perform the sacraments that have evolved since the first Holy sacrifice of the Mass at the near-sacrifice of Isaac by his father, Abraham. They consecrate bread and wine.
Someone might have been mislead by the inaccurate characterization of priests to their spiritual detriment and so I wanted to re-direct that line of thought.
Somewhere between Nairobi and Mombasa I visited a Mosque out of curiosity and to pay respect and homage to those there. In return, I was respected and welcomed, and I did not feel judged. Somewhere in Orissa near the 13th century Konark Sun Temple I visited an Hindu Temple, again out of curiosity, to pay homage and respect. There, too, I was respected and welcomed, and I did not feel judged. Unfortunately I have yet to visit a Synagogue, but I genuinely respect other faith traditions' beliefs, whether or not their roots can be argued to be a few kilometers north or south. Conversely, while visiting some conservative evangelical protestant churches, I did feel judged and unwelcome. So, let us Christians not place ourselves on too high of a pedestal lest that be foolish.
Whether within a sacred place (Church, Temple, Mosque, Synagogue) or elsewhere, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">no one</span></span> deserves to be abused with violence. </span>
<span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">Mr. Pink. That Avatar is awesome.
A <span style="font-style: italic">little</span> off topic, but a point of clarification is appropriate in that there is the implicit suggestion that Christian priests give expert opinions or intercede for others. Priests do not do that.
Instead, ordained (Roman Catholic) priests, having studied philosophy, scripture, theology, Latin, etc., and been tested for six years, the equivalent of a Ph.D. program, offer spiritual guidance and perform the sacraments that have evolved since the first Holy sacrifice of the Mass at the near-sacrifice of Isaac by his father, Abraham. They consecrate bread and wine.
Someone might have been mislead by the inaccurate characterization of priests to their spiritual detriment and so I wanted to re-direct that line of thought.
Somewhere between Nairobi and Mombasa I visited a Mosque out of curiosity and to pay respect and homage to those there. In return, I was respected and welcomed, and I did not feel judged. Somewhere in Orissa near the 13th century Konark Sun Temple I visited an Hindu Temple, again out of curiosity, to pay homage and respect. There, too, I was respected and welcomed, and I did not feel judged. Unfortunately I have yet to visit a Synagogue, but I genuinely respect other faith traditions' beliefs, whether or not their roots can be argued to be a few kilometers north or south. Conversely, while visiting some conservative evangelical protestant churches, I did feel judged and unwelcome. So, let us Christians not place ourselves on too high of a pedestal lest that be foolish.
Whether within a sacred place (Church, Temple, Mosque, Synagogue) or elsewhere, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">no one</span></span> deserves to be abused with violence. </span>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A <span style="font-style: italic">little</span> off topic, but a point of clarification is appropriate in that there is the implicit suggestion that Christian priests give expert opinions or intercede for others. Priests do not do that.</div></div>
A member of the Kaleka family was quoted by the media, saying that Sikh "priests" had been shot. The word is inaccurate. Any initiated Sikh may read from our scripture (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) and lead a service if he or she is capable, and any initiated Sikh may offer our equivalent of the sacrament to others in attendance. Gurdwaras do employ professionals called "granthis" who are charged with supervising the premises and performing at least a part of one or more daily prayers within the temple. Counseling is more typically something that is done in a committee format, with five initiated Sikhs known to be pious serving in a role akin to that of a confessor. I was attempting to correct any mistaken impression generated by Kaleka's words, not to improperly characterize or slander another faith, many of whom also employ individuals in various capacities who are generally described as "priests."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Casey Simpson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A <span style="font-style: italic">little</span> off topic, but a point of clarification is appropriate in that there is the implicit suggestion that Christian priests give expert opinions or intercede for others. Priests do not do that.</div></div>
A member of the Kaleka family was quoted by the media, saying that Sikh "priests" had been shot. The word is inaccurate. Any initiated Sikh may read from our scripture (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) and lead a service if he or she is capable, and any initiated Sikh may offer our equivalent of the sacrament to others in attendance. Gurdwaras do employ professionals called "granthis" who are charged with supervising the premises and performing at least a part of one or more daily prayers within the temple. Counseling is more typically something that is done in a committee format, with five initiated Sikhs known to be pious serving in a role akin to that of a confessor. I was attempting to correct any mistaken impression generated by Kaleka's words, not to improperly characterize or slander another faith, many of whom also employ individuals in various capacities who are generally described as "priests."
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Gotcha, Veer. Thank you, and I'm sorry for the violent assault on your brothers and sisters in faith in Wisconsin. Peace be with the survivors.
Gotcha, Veer. Thank you, and I'm sorry for the violent assault on your brothers and sisters in faith in Wisconsin. Peace be with the survivors.
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Thanks for the info Veer, definitely tragic and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. More stupid, senseless violence brought on again by a single moron, causing pain and anguish for the victims and no doubt future ass pain for law abiding gun owners.
Thanks for the info Veer, definitely tragic and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. More stupid, senseless violence brought on again by a single moron, causing pain and anguish for the victims and no doubt future ass pain for law abiding gun owners.
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One shooter?
[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9ecdSKi9_fs#![/video]
One shooter?
[video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9ecdSKi9_fs#![/video]
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Shooter IDed:
http://www.wtvm.com/story/19204318/sikh-temple-shooter-identified
Shooter IDed:
http://www.wtvm.com/story/19204318/sikh-temple-shooter-identified
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The officer that was shot is truly a professional LEO, additional prayers should go out to him and his family as well.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/...ng-victims?lite
Veer, sorry for the loss of your brothers
The officer that was shot is truly a professional LEO, additional prayers should go out to him and his family as well.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/...ng-victims?lite
Veer, sorry for the loss of your brothers
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Forgive my ignorance, but is Sikh pronounced like "sick" or is it like "seek"???
Forgive my ignorance, but is Sikh pronounced like "sick" or is it like "seek"???
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forgive my ignorance, but is Sikh pronounced like "sick" or is it like "seek"??? </div></div>
http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/165205686.html
I've heard both. I used to have issues with people thinking that I was making a reference to my state of health. It sort of sounds like "sa-ick" if you're trying to confuse the crap out of people by not saying "seek."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: slowkota</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Forgive my ignorance, but is Sikh pronounced like "sick" or is it like "seek"??? </div></div>
http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/165205686.html
I've heard both. I used to have issues with people thinking that I was making a reference to my state of health. It sort of sounds like "sa-ick" if you're trying to confuse the crap out of people by not saying "seek."
