I've been slowly reading more and more about precision shooting, but mostly dragging my feet, lack of funds, time, etc. Now that I'm trying to go to some entry level courses, I really need to get off my butt and pick up a rifle. Now my question is, will it be more affordable to pick up a new Remington 700, and slowly build on it, starting with basics like stock, bedding, trigger, etc? Or would I be better off buying one that is already fairly well set up, but may have several hundred rounds through it? My concern with starting from scratch is that I don't know of any local 'smiths to do my work, so I would be spending quite a bit on shipping back and forth, not to mention the wait time. Thanks for any suggestions.
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Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Piecemeal is not necessarily cheaper, but the individual lumps are easier to swallow. The downside is you may be without your rifle for sometimes lengthy periods of time, while it is being smithed.
If you have the cash to buy a turnkey, then no waiting. It may or may not be setup the way you want it, but it will take time for you to have enough experience to be able to decide what you like and what you don't. The mistake may new shooters make it they put everything on they can without any regard for what works for them, since they don't know enough to know....
Piecemeal is not necessarily cheaper, but the individual lumps are easier to swallow. The downside is you may be without your rifle for sometimes lengthy periods of time, while it is being smithed.
If you have the cash to buy a turnkey, then no waiting. It may or may not be setup the way you want it, but it will take time for you to have enough experience to be able to decide what you like and what you don't. The mistake may new shooters make it they put everything on they can without any regard for what works for them, since they don't know enough to know....
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Honestly if I had to do it all over again I would definately go the turn key route. To me it is a simpler way. Dont forget about good glass, and a quality mount set up. Top shelf ammo too. If a custom built rig is not your style look into Sako TRG, or AI. On the other hand if you don't have deep pockets a Remington 700P/Savage tactical rifle with a decent scope, and mount set up will get you into the game.
Honestly if I had to do it all over again I would definately go the turn key route. To me it is a simpler way. Dont forget about good glass, and a quality mount set up. Top shelf ammo too. If a custom built rig is not your style look into Sako TRG, or AI. On the other hand if you don't have deep pockets a Remington 700P/Savage tactical rifle with a decent scope, and mount set up will get you into the game.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Comes down to money. If you have the money to buy an already built rifle then buy it. If you don't and want to do it piece by piece then there's nothing wrong with that either. I have done it both ways.
If you want to buy the rifle already done then look in the for sale section here. You can find some excellent deals on barely used rifles.
Comes down to money. If you have the money to buy an already built rifle then buy it. If you don't and want to do it piece by piece then there's nothing wrong with that either. I have done it both ways.
If you want to buy the rifle already done then look in the for sale section here. You can find some excellent deals on barely used rifles.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I have been kicking around your question for a while now. IF I have done my math right it is about a wash.
The long periods of time waiting on work to be done has me leaning turn key.
I have been kicking around your question for a while now. IF I have done my math right it is about a wash.
The long periods of time waiting on work to be done has me leaning turn key.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
here is some stuff for thought.
Trued R700 action $500 (they are for sale on Accurate shooter for that price)
Barrel $350 from a stocking vendor like Bruno's or Bugholes
Stock $750, used here, This one is really up to you you can spend more or less
Bottom Metal <$100 if BDL will satisfy you
Bottom Metal $350 if you gotta have a DBM
Basically you have $1600 to $2000 parts cost in a rifle depending on options. You can often pick up a good build here for under $2000 if you are patient. Probably the best route money wise you can get some good deals here. Unless it says GAP or some such on the side you can usually get some really nice rifles for $1700 to $2100.
here is some stuff for thought.
Trued R700 action $500 (they are for sale on Accurate shooter for that price)
Barrel $350 from a stocking vendor like Bruno's or Bugholes
Stock $750, used here, This one is really up to you you can spend more or less
Bottom Metal <$100 if BDL will satisfy you
Bottom Metal $350 if you gotta have a DBM
Basically you have $1600 to $2000 parts cost in a rifle depending on options. You can often pick up a good build here for under $2000 if you are patient. Probably the best route money wise you can get some good deals here. Unless it says GAP or some such on the side you can usually get some really nice rifles for $1700 to $2100.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
XTR, you didn't include labor in your calculations. Chambering, fitting and bedding will easily run $400+
OP: An out of the box rifle will work well, be it a 700, a Savage, Tikka or whatever. However, a turn key rifle can be a great bargain and save a lot of time. I'd definitely recommend it if it's in the budget.
XTR, you didn't include labor in your calculations. Chambering, fitting and bedding will easily run $400+
OP: An out of the box rifle will work well, be it a 700, a Savage, Tikka or whatever. However, a turn key rifle can be a great bargain and save a lot of time. I'd definitely recommend it if it's in the budget.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
For starting out a basic rem 700 or savage will work just fine and you can be out shooting for 700 bucks.
You don't need a 2000+ dollar custom rifle to learn and enjoy this.
For starting out a basic rem 700 or savage will work just fine and you can be out shooting for 700 bucks.
You don't need a 2000+ dollar custom rifle to learn and enjoy this.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
with piece meal you get exactly what yuo want, buying a used one may not be perfect for you and you might still pour money in it unless you can live with it, something i learned to do.
the choice is yours.
with piece meal you get exactly what yuo want, buying a used one may not be perfect for you and you might still pour money in it unless you can live with it, something i learned to do.
the choice is yours.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">XTR, you didn't include labor in your calculations. Chambering, fitting and bedding will easily run $400+
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That was actually supposed to be my point. I'd say that if you know that is where you want to end up shop for a bargain in the just under $2000 range. If you just want to get a hunting/range time rifle then a stock Savage or 700 will be great.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">XTR, you didn't include labor in your calculations. Chambering, fitting and bedding will easily run $400+
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That was actually supposed to be my point. I'd say that if you know that is where you want to end up shop for a bargain in the just under $2000 range. If you just want to get a hunting/range time rifle then a stock Savage or 700 will be great.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
The maret is being flooded with good rifles at a great price. I own both Remington's and Savages and have to say that for the money if you want a gun to start learning with, and leave you a good chunk of money for all of the other things you need (Optics, Mounts, Base, Ammo, etc.) you can't beat a Savage Model 10. Savage is even offering these in some of the more desireable (Not just .308 and .223) calibers and they run in the $800 range. Or a good Savage Model 12 for a couple hundred more.
If you have the money you can buy a full custom, but you would be better to buy a good rifle, good gear to go with it, and a good training program/class to learn the right way to get into shooting. Just my .02!!!
Good Luck!!!
The maret is being flooded with good rifles at a great price. I own both Remington's and Savages and have to say that for the money if you want a gun to start learning with, and leave you a good chunk of money for all of the other things you need (Optics, Mounts, Base, Ammo, etc.) you can't beat a Savage Model 10. Savage is even offering these in some of the more desireable (Not just .308 and .223) calibers and they run in the $800 range. Or a good Savage Model 12 for a couple hundred more.
If you have the money you can buy a full custom, but you would be better to buy a good rifle, good gear to go with it, and a good training program/class to learn the right way to get into shooting. Just my .02!!!
Good Luck!!!
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better.
Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
This one of the absolute best deals I've seen in a looooong time. I am not associated with this seller or smith in any way. If you decide to go the turn-key route, this would be an excellent choice:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3414594#Post3414594
This one of the absolute best deals I've seen in a looooong time. I am not associated with this seller or smith in any way. If you decide to go the turn-key route, this would be an excellent choice:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3414594#Post3414594
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I think if it were me I would buy a slightly used rifle for sale here on the Hide... frequently you can get excellent deals on very nice hardware... just my .02
I think if it were me I would buy a slightly used rifle for sale here on the Hide... frequently you can get excellent deals on very nice hardware... just my .02
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Get a heavt barreled Remington or Savage, put a quality scope that is withing your budget on it and start shooting. Spend your time and money on trigger time and ammo, stretching to the distances you plan on competing/playing at. As you grow into the sport you will have a much better idea what it is you are after. Once you do you will be able to make a much better decision.
Get a heavt barreled Remington or Savage, put a quality scope that is withing your budget on it and start shooting. Spend your time and money on trigger time and ammo, stretching to the distances you plan on competing/playing at. As you grow into the sport you will have a much better idea what it is you are after. Once you do you will be able to make a much better decision.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Shoot as many guns with as many different stocks as you can.
I pieced together my first rifle. I started off with an Remington 700 in 308 (SPS Tactical, I believe).
I went through several stocks (Bell & Carlson, Accuracy International, HS Precision, McMillan) before I found the one that worked best for me.
Fortunately, I was able to sell the stocks for roughly what I paid for them.
I also made the mistake of putting an MTU contour barrel on my gun. It shoots lights out, but is a pig.
When I decided to have a 300 WM built, I used the same stock, bolt knob, etc but I went with a heavy varmint contour barrel instead of the beastly MTU.
Unless you've handled a rifle that is exactly like the one you're going to have, it might not necessarily come together as well as you thought it would.
Shoot as many guns with as many different stocks as you can.
I pieced together my first rifle. I started off with an Remington 700 in 308 (SPS Tactical, I believe).
I went through several stocks (Bell & Carlson, Accuracy International, HS Precision, McMillan) before I found the one that worked best for me.
Fortunately, I was able to sell the stocks for roughly what I paid for them.
I also made the mistake of putting an MTU contour barrel on my gun. It shoots lights out, but is a pig.
When I decided to have a 300 WM built, I used the same stock, bolt knob, etc but I went with a heavy varmint contour barrel instead of the beastly MTU.
Unless you've handled a rifle that is exactly like the one you're going to have, it might not necessarily come together as well as you thought it would.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I say custom build, trued action or custom(I hear badgers are great for the money). I think half the fun is shooting a rifle that you put together the way you want it.
I say custom build, trued action or custom(I hear badgers are great for the money). I think half the fun is shooting a rifle that you put together the way you want it.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inzaneriderz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think if it were me I would buy a slightly used rifle for sale here on the Hide... frequently you can get excellent deals on very nice hardware... just my .02 </div></div>
Yup
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Inzaneriderz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think if it were me I would buy a slightly used rifle for sale here on the Hide... frequently you can get excellent deals on very nice hardware... just my .02 </div></div>
Yup
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better. </div></div>
Keep watching. It will come up, mine did. Its sort of the same concept as buying a new or used car. If you buy it brand new, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot. I tend to buy the high dollar guns and scopes used and let someone else eat the depreciation. If I were rich or extremely picky, Id just buy everything new.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better. </div></div>
Keep watching. It will come up, mine did. Its sort of the same concept as buying a new or used car. If you buy it brand new, it depreciates as soon as you drive it off the lot. I tend to buy the high dollar guns and scopes used and let someone else eat the depreciation. If I were rich or extremely picky, Id just buy everything new.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I've gotten 2 rifles from the for sale sections either here or at Accurate Shooter. I got a 700 in 308 with a Rock Creek tube, Badger Brake, Badger M4 metal, Badger knob, in a McMA5, it would shoot .5 when I got it,for about $1700 if I remember. I've since put a 30" barrel on it for F-TR but I put about 1000 rounds through it before I rebarrled.
Last Month I got a Savage 12 F class in 6.5-284 for $800. I'm going to change the barrel, not planning to shoot it as a 6.5 but those are just a couple of examples.
There are good rifles out there at good prices.
I've gotten 2 rifles from the for sale sections either here or at Accurate Shooter. I got a 700 in 308 with a Rock Creek tube, Badger Brake, Badger M4 metal, Badger knob, in a McMA5, it would shoot .5 when I got it,for about $1700 if I remember. I've since put a 30" barrel on it for F-TR but I put about 1000 rounds through it before I rebarrled.
Last Month I got a Savage 12 F class in 6.5-284 for $800. I'm going to change the barrel, not planning to shoot it as a 6.5 but those are just a couple of examples.
There are good rifles out there at good prices.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Don't know where you are at in the game but do not rule out a solid .22LR bolt gun like a http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVSR with a good scope. In these times my 22s are getting more range time than any of my other rifles. Ammo is cheap and found anywhere. The challenges are there to be had.Improper breathing,trigger control,tend to show up least more for me on my 22 more so than my .308.
I would say if you do not go the .22 route ease into it start with a basic Rem 700 with good optics that way you are not breaking the bank all at once. If you find that you like precision shooting and want to keep on going then upgrade slowly.Like others have said you do not need a 2000 rifle to get in the game.When I am ready to upgrade I will be sending the rifle off to a respected gunsmith to do the work sure ill be out of a rifle for a few weeks but that is the nature of getting quality work done.
In my case my .308 rifle was out shooting me by a long shot.So it was nice to be able to spend a day at the range and know that every time I pulled the trigger it was a few cents rather than a dollar something every time it went bang.
Don't know where you are at in the game but do not rule out a solid .22LR bolt gun like a http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/MARKIIFVSR with a good scope. In these times my 22s are getting more range time than any of my other rifles. Ammo is cheap and found anywhere. The challenges are there to be had.Improper breathing,trigger control,tend to show up least more for me on my 22 more so than my .308.
I would say if you do not go the .22 route ease into it start with a basic Rem 700 with good optics that way you are not breaking the bank all at once. If you find that you like precision shooting and want to keep on going then upgrade slowly.Like others have said you do not need a 2000 rifle to get in the game.When I am ready to upgrade I will be sending the rifle off to a respected gunsmith to do the work sure ill be out of a rifle for a few weeks but that is the nature of getting quality work done.
In my case my .308 rifle was out shooting me by a long shot.So it was nice to be able to spend a day at the range and know that every time I pulled the trigger it was a few cents rather than a dollar something every time it went bang.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
For starting off, you'll not have to change anything if you go with a Rem 700 or Savage Arms. Once you have learned and pushed the weapon to its limits, then you can make an informed decision on what to do next... sell the rifle or start to upgrade components. You'll be surprised how much of a return you can get on your rifle if you sell it (assuming you don't pay full MSRP when you buy it). The same goes for a scope. I'm not saying buy a Tasco scope. But you dont have to buy Schmidt & Bender to start. Leupolds are solid scopes that you can resell if you decide to upgrade down the road after learning more about shooting.
You can shave a couple of hundred dollars off if you go with a savage arms bolt action rifle with the accutrigger. On average, a similar spec Rem 700 model rifle is $200 more. And the Accutrigger is better than the X Mark trigger.
For starting off, you'll not have to change anything if you go with a Rem 700 or Savage Arms. Once you have learned and pushed the weapon to its limits, then you can make an informed decision on what to do next... sell the rifle or start to upgrade components. You'll be surprised how much of a return you can get on your rifle if you sell it (assuming you don't pay full MSRP when you buy it). The same goes for a scope. I'm not saying buy a Tasco scope. But you dont have to buy Schmidt & Bender to start. Leupolds are solid scopes that you can resell if you decide to upgrade down the road after learning more about shooting.
You can shave a couple of hundred dollars off if you go with a savage arms bolt action rifle with the accutrigger. On average, a similar spec Rem 700 model rifle is $200 more. And the Accutrigger is better than the X Mark trigger.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Here ya go...
That gets yo in quick for short money. (then all you need to do is figure out how much glass you can afford)
Here ya go...
That gets yo in quick for short money. (then all you need to do is figure out how much glass you can afford)
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but may have several hundred rounds through it? </div></div>
Someone else can chime in here, but if you're doing a caliber like .308 a couple hundred rounds is nothing. A guy I know bought a used .308 off the hide many years ago that had a 2000+ rounds down it. I ended up buying it from him when he got bored with it and putting another 1000+ rounds down it before selling it to another guy that is still shooing it today and it's still a tack driver. Velocity is down a little bit, but the paper doesn't notice the missing 50 fps. 4th or 5th hand rifle, still on the same barrel and worst case is someone is going to have to rebarrel it at some point. That's like a badge of honor!
I've got 2 bolt guns that started out as stock rem700s which I shot as they came from Remington for a while. Now both are built up, one by GAP and one by Spartan and sit just the way I want them to. Likely cost me more than buying pre-built and I know it took more time, but I did it slowly as I learned more about what I wanted in a rifle and never spent a ton of money on something I later had to sell off because it wasn't right.
One thing I can say is don't buy cheap glass. You can always take the cheapest POS rem700 and turn it into something good when you figure out what you want to have, but cheap glass is always going to be cheap glass. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone wearing out a scope so once you've got quality it will last whatever you end up putting it on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but may have several hundred rounds through it? </div></div>
Someone else can chime in here, but if you're doing a caliber like .308 a couple hundred rounds is nothing. A guy I know bought a used .308 off the hide many years ago that had a 2000+ rounds down it. I ended up buying it from him when he got bored with it and putting another 1000+ rounds down it before selling it to another guy that is still shooing it today and it's still a tack driver. Velocity is down a little bit, but the paper doesn't notice the missing 50 fps. 4th or 5th hand rifle, still on the same barrel and worst case is someone is going to have to rebarrel it at some point. That's like a badge of honor!
I've got 2 bolt guns that started out as stock rem700s which I shot as they came from Remington for a while. Now both are built up, one by GAP and one by Spartan and sit just the way I want them to. Likely cost me more than buying pre-built and I know it took more time, but I did it slowly as I learned more about what I wanted in a rifle and never spent a ton of money on something I later had to sell off because it wasn't right.
One thing I can say is don't buy cheap glass. You can always take the cheapest POS rem700 and turn it into something good when you figure out what you want to have, but cheap glass is always going to be cheap glass. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone wearing out a scope so once you've got quality it will last whatever you end up putting it on.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Ah, Grasshopper...you ask the age old question that all Men (aka serious rifle shooters) will ask at some point in their lives. You must seek the truth by peeling back all the false answers that others will give you, as one would peel back the petals of the Lotus flower in order to reveal the bud at its center. There will be only one answer that is true to your heart, as only you will walk the path that you choose.
<span style="font-style: italic">"From an ancient shooters proverb."</span>
In other words, most of us have all asked this question ourselves, or we will at some point. There is no one correct answer that fits all the variables that each of us is dealing with. Sometimes, we might pick a path that does not take us directly to our final destination, but if you choose each path carefully you can learn something that will carry you further down the road while you get ever closer to your destination. So, view it as a journey and don’t expect to get everything perfect the first time around. Best advice is to jump into the water once you have armed yourself with enough research to determine what your needs and desires really are. Will you buy or build one rifle and be happy with just that one rifle for the rest of your life? That is doubtful, but again, it’s all about what meets your needs and desires, usually balanced against what your budget will allow you to spend. Just don't choose a path because "My buddy Joe told me this is what I need..." without stopping to understand if this is the right course to meet your needs.
Good luck and have fun on your journey...
Ah, Grasshopper...you ask the age old question that all Men (aka serious rifle shooters) will ask at some point in their lives. You must seek the truth by peeling back all the false answers that others will give you, as one would peel back the petals of the Lotus flower in order to reveal the bud at its center. There will be only one answer that is true to your heart, as only you will walk the path that you choose.
<span style="font-style: italic">"From an ancient shooters proverb."</span>
In other words, most of us have all asked this question ourselves, or we will at some point. There is no one correct answer that fits all the variables that each of us is dealing with. Sometimes, we might pick a path that does not take us directly to our final destination, but if you choose each path carefully you can learn something that will carry you further down the road while you get ever closer to your destination. So, view it as a journey and don’t expect to get everything perfect the first time around. Best advice is to jump into the water once you have armed yourself with enough research to determine what your needs and desires really are. Will you buy or build one rifle and be happy with just that one rifle for the rest of your life? That is doubtful, but again, it’s all about what meets your needs and desires, usually balanced against what your budget will allow you to spend. Just don't choose a path because "My buddy Joe told me this is what I need..." without stopping to understand if this is the right course to meet your needs.
Good luck and have fun on your journey...
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better. </div></div>
Let me know if you want to go out there some time. Me, my dad and my brother go out regularly.
I'd be willing, and I'm sure they would also, to let you try out our rifles. Mine is a custom Rem. 700 .308 in a McMillan A3 with a Vortex 6-24scope. My brother has a Rem 700 M40 clone, and dad has a Barnard actioned .260 with a Krieger barrel and a Leupold 6-20.
Not a huge selection, but at least a couple to see if anything suits you.
Also FYI, me and dad both got our rifles off the for sale section here and couldn't be more pleased with the deals we received.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for all the thoughts and opinions, I check the "For Sale" thread multiple times a day, waiting for "the one", hahaha... But in all seriousness, I can't wait to start. Pretty sure Benchrest Rifle Club is the closest range to me in St. Louis, and the sooner I can get out there, the better. </div></div>
Let me know if you want to go out there some time. Me, my dad and my brother go out regularly.
I'd be willing, and I'm sure they would also, to let you try out our rifles. Mine is a custom Rem. 700 .308 in a McMillan A3 with a Vortex 6-24scope. My brother has a Rem 700 M40 clone, and dad has a Barnard actioned .260 with a Krieger barrel and a Leupold 6-20.
Not a huge selection, but at least a couple to see if anything suits you.
Also FYI, me and dad both got our rifles off the for sale section here and couldn't be more pleased with the deals we received.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
i have been building a rifle for a little over a year now, its almost done, but I've spent way more on it than i could have bought a say GAP rifle. If i could go back and do it all over, id just pick one up built already and save the hassle
i have been building a rifle for a little over a year now, its almost done, but I've spent way more on it than i could have bought a say GAP rifle. If i could go back and do it all over, id just pick one up built already and save the hassle
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Again, thank you guys for all the feedback, I also have bought a few guns off here, and yet to be disappointed with any of the transactions. I decided to go ahead and buy a used rifle off here, and it's nearly the exact rifle I had in mind. I have a NIB Bushnell Elite scope (I forget the model, I've had it in a closet for over a year, without a rifle to mount it on)that should be good enough for now. Once I can afford an upgrade, I'll be looking for a better scope. For right now, I'm just excited to get behind it and see what I can do.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3439237
rbdub474, thanks for the invite, I may just have to hit you up on your offer.
Again, thank you guys for all the feedback, I also have bought a few guns off here, and yet to be disappointed with any of the transactions. I decided to go ahead and buy a used rifle off here, and it's nearly the exact rifle I had in mind. I have a NIB Bushnell Elite scope (I forget the model, I've had it in a closet for over a year, without a rifle to mount it on)that should be good enough for now. Once I can afford an upgrade, I'll be looking for a better scope. For right now, I'm just excited to get behind it and see what I can do.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3439237
rbdub474, thanks for the invite, I may just have to hit you up on your offer.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Does Benchrest have a website? I only found a very limited site, about upcoming matches.
Does Benchrest have a website? I only found a very limited site, about upcoming matches.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Don't forget you'll also need to account for reloading equipment if you're to stay with LR for a while. You'll save a heck of a lot more than buying factory.
I went the less expensive route (700 sps .308) and slowly upgraded. I would like to think (though probably not true) that I have a little more experience now in what I like and don't like in order to go ahead and build a custom.
Don't forget you'll also need to account for reloading equipment if you're to stay with LR for a while. You'll save a heck of a lot more than buying factory.
I went the less expensive route (700 sps .308) and slowly upgraded. I would like to think (though probably not true) that I have a little more experience now in what I like and don't like in order to go ahead and build a custom.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
unless you plan on going full custom with aftermarket barrel and truing the action then you don't need a gunsmith.
you can pick up a Remington 700 SPS Tactical (i prefer the AAC-SD due to the 20" barrel and 1/10 twist) for under 1k, put a new stock on it , and some optics and you'll be able to reach 100 yards.
you don't need a $5000 package to get to 1000. I've seen 1k budget builds shoot out to 600 and judging on how well they shot I'm sure they could hit 1000 yards.
if you have the cash then spend it. if you want to stick to a budget its completely possible
unless you plan on going full custom with aftermarket barrel and truing the action then you don't need a gunsmith.
you can pick up a Remington 700 SPS Tactical (i prefer the AAC-SD due to the 20" barrel and 1/10 twist) for under 1k, put a new stock on it , and some optics and you'll be able to reach 100 yards.
you don't need a $5000 package to get to 1000. I've seen 1k budget builds shoot out to 600 and judging on how well they shot I'm sure they could hit 1000 yards.
if you have the cash then spend it. if you want to stick to a budget its completely possible
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
My thinking suggests doing both. That way, you will not be without a rifle for unpredictable periods.
I like the Savage 11/11 Long Range Hunter as a pretty complete example of what should work for your needs right o/o the box, and still provide a good core rifle upon which to apply upgrades. It already has the Accu-Stock and Accu-Trigger. It's available in quite a few chamberings, including .25-'06 .260, 6.5-284, 6.5CM, .308, 300WM, 7MM mag, and even .338LM. Except for the .338LM, list prices are under $1K. My choice, as a handloader, would be the .260 Rem. I might rebarrel the .25-'06 to .280 Rem.
Meanwhile, a used turnkey rifle could be available as a standby when your Savage is o/o house during those upgrades.
Actually, there's no rush getting the Savage upgraded. Savage barrels are not bad barrels, and deserve being used up before being replaced.
Greg
My thinking suggests doing both. That way, you will not be without a rifle for unpredictable periods.
I like the Savage 11/11 Long Range Hunter as a pretty complete example of what should work for your needs right o/o the box, and still provide a good core rifle upon which to apply upgrades. It already has the Accu-Stock and Accu-Trigger. It's available in quite a few chamberings, including .25-'06 .260, 6.5-284, 6.5CM, .308, 300WM, 7MM mag, and even .338LM. Except for the .338LM, list prices are under $1K. My choice, as a handloader, would be the .260 Rem. I might rebarrel the .25-'06 to .280 Rem.
Meanwhile, a used turnkey rifle could be available as a standby when your Savage is o/o house during those upgrades.
Actually, there's no rush getting the Savage upgraded. Savage barrels are not bad barrels, and deserve being used up before being replaced.
Greg
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does Benchrest have a website? I only found a very limited site, about upcoming matches. </div></div>try "accurateshooter.com" _ "6mmbr.com" _or "benchrest central"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kellogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does Benchrest have a website? I only found a very limited site, about upcoming matches. </div></div>try "accurateshooter.com" _ "6mmbr.com" _or "benchrest central"
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Pick up a Rem 700 of some kind, whether it be an SPS Varmint, SPS Tactical,AAC-SD, 700P, or 5R.
If you get one with the H-S stock, then you're good to go. If you pick up one of the SPS or "tactical" models with plastic or hogue, you may find an H-S or B&C on the cheap to throw on it temporarily.
The most important thing is to get out there shooting! You'll learn more about what works for you and what doesn't by shooting rather than worrying about starting with the best gear. Some people like this, some people like that. You never know til you try them.
While you're running that 700, you can be saving for the top of the line wizzbang while you're going along. The experience you gain will keep you from wasting money out of the gate. Then you can order a custom or a high-end factory rifle like an AI or Sako.
Pick up a Rem 700 of some kind, whether it be an SPS Varmint, SPS Tactical,AAC-SD, 700P, or 5R.
If you get one with the H-S stock, then you're good to go. If you pick up one of the SPS or "tactical" models with plastic or hogue, you may find an H-S or B&C on the cheap to throw on it temporarily.
The most important thing is to get out there shooting! You'll learn more about what works for you and what doesn't by shooting rather than worrying about starting with the best gear. Some people like this, some people like that. You never know til you try them.
While you're running that 700, you can be saving for the top of the line wizzbang while you're going along. The experience you gain will keep you from wasting money out of the gate. Then you can order a custom or a high-end factory rifle like an AI or Sako.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
The Sako TRG is one of the best kept secrets out there. Buy a .308 and rebarrel it (as necessary) to whatever caliber (.260, 7mm-08, etc.) you'd like. Great shooters and rock solid weapons systems.
The Sako TRG is one of the best kept secrets out there. Buy a .308 and rebarrel it (as necessary) to whatever caliber (.260, 7mm-08, etc.) you'd like. Great shooters and rock solid weapons systems.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonthomps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one of the absolute best deals I've seen in a looooong time. I am not associated with this seller or smith in any way. If you decide to go the turn-key route, this would be an excellent choice:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3414594#Post3414594
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Not a bad deal but this rifle is about the worst possible caliber for a beginner.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jonthomps</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one of the absolute best deals I've seen in a looooong time. I am not associated with this seller or smith in any way. If you decide to go the turn-key route, this would be an excellent choice:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3414594#Post3414594
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Not a bad deal but this rifle is about the worst possible caliber for a beginner.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Sako TRG is one of the best kept secrets out there. Buy a .308 and rebarrel it (as necessary) to whatever caliber (.260, 7mm-08, etc.) you'd like. Great shooters and rock solid weapons systems. </div></div>
The TRG22 is no secret which is why they cost so much. The TRG rifles do shoot very well for a factory rifle. Sunday I was out shooting with friends and shot a friend's TRG22 and I was very impressed with the ease with which is it makes small groups.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ranger1183</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Sako TRG is one of the best kept secrets out there. Buy a .308 and rebarrel it (as necessary) to whatever caliber (.260, 7mm-08, etc.) you'd like. Great shooters and rock solid weapons systems. </div></div>
The TRG22 is no secret which is why they cost so much. The TRG rifles do shoot very well for a factory rifle. Sunday I was out shooting with friends and shot a friend's TRG22 and I was very impressed with the ease with which is it makes small groups.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
You could always watch for a custom for sale that is used but in excellent shape and has the features you want. No wait time and usually you will save alot of money.
You could always watch for a custom for sale that is used but in excellent shape and has the features you want. No wait time and usually you will save alot of money.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
Like I mentioned above, I found the rifle on here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3439237
It's nearly exactly what I wanted, and can most assuredly outperform me. For now, anyhow, lol. Hopefully going to Academi this fall for their Precision Rifle I course, but I certainly will be getting as much practice as I can before then. Thanks for any and all advice given.
Like I mentioned above, I found the rifle on here:
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3439237
It's nearly exactly what I wanted, and can most assuredly outperform me. For now, anyhow, lol. Hopefully going to Academi this fall for their Precision Rifle I course, but I certainly will be getting as much practice as I can before then. Thanks for any and all advice given.
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I don't know why you think you need a real gun. I've seen you shoot. Stick to getting drunk on Bud Light and shooting a pellet gun in the backyard. I may even post that video later.......
I don't know why you think you need a real gun. I've seen you shoot. Stick to getting drunk on Bud Light and shooting a pellet gun in the backyard. I may even post that video later.......
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
I set down the specs I was wiling to live with. Was open to new and used but not interested in waiting a year for a custom build. I'm to much of a rookie to know "exactly" what I want. Ended up with a used GAP that I am very happy with and feel I will be able to sell for what I paid or a little less. Not saying I'm selling but as I gain experience I may want to go a different direction. The GAP is a 308 in a 700 action, Bartlein Barrel, Jewell Trigger, AI 1.5 stock...its a start!
I set down the specs I was wiling to live with. Was open to new and used but not interested in waiting a year for a custom build. I'm to much of a rookie to know "exactly" what I want. Ended up with a used GAP that I am very happy with and feel I will be able to sell for what I paid or a little less. Not saying I'm selling but as I gain experience I may want to go a different direction. The GAP is a 308 in a 700 action, Bartlein Barrel, Jewell Trigger, AI 1.5 stock...its a start!
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
You will have a lot more pride in doing a full custom that you choose all of the components!!
You will have a lot more pride in doing a full custom that you choose all of the components!!
Re: Build a new rifle, or buy a used "turn-key" rifle?
While I agree that in the building your own process does allow you to get everyting you want.... IF its your first build the $$$ side of it can be depressing at times.
There are a BUNCH of rigs that are listed here that will out shoot just about every person on this site... That being said there are GREAT deals here for packages that will take you a LONG time to learn and figure out what you do and dont want out of a precision weapon.
Just my .02..
Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.)
While I agree that in the building your own process does allow you to get everyting you want.... IF its your first build the $$$ side of it can be depressing at times.
There are a BUNCH of rigs that are listed here that will out shoot just about every person on this site... That being said there are GREAT deals here for packages that will take you a LONG time to learn and figure out what you do and dont want out of a precision weapon.
Just my .02..
Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.)
