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Rifle Scopes APA rings review (W/ range report)

jbell

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    I was going to include this rewiew in with my Kahles K 6-24X56 review, but feel these rings are too nice not to have the spotlight. So here it goes:

    First things first here is a link to APA's site so you can get more info to include pricing on these rings:
    http://www.americanprecisionarms.com/products-page/rings/

    Second here is a great video showing the strength of thses rings (I am sure most everyone has seen it by now):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OAVBDcfnDuo

    On to my review. I should start out by saying I have owned about every ring out there (except the Sphur mount) and these are the best I have used yet. The rings shown in my pictures and in my review are 34mm and the 0.950" standard height. When I opened the package my first thought was damn these feel light! But to be fair I have been using steel rings as of late, Im happy to now have a option of this quality in aluminium. I spent a little time looking these rings over and quickly found they are very well machined, with a LOT of attention to detail. I could not find a burr or sharp corner anywhere on these rings. In my opinion this is where a lot of companies fall short. True it may take more time and cost more cutting into the profit some but it will save a lot of scratches on scope tubes even if you are careful. All the screws have a taper under the head and their seat is chamfered to center the screw in the hole to help keep things aligned. All the threads in the rings were perfect no screws were tight to thread in and all the screw holes were plenty deep to prevent bottoming of the screw. I know that seems like a obvious statement but I did have one set of rings by a high end maker have 1 hole that was not drilled deep enough, or the screw was a little out of spec in length. The APA logo is evenly engraved on the top cap, which I think is a nice touch. So as for first impressions I was very happy.

    Now for how they fit. I found the latch system is pretty ingenious, it is cut in a way to allow the latch to slightly float so it can make perfect contact with the base. This is going to add strength to the system even if the base is machined slightly out of spec. The cross bars on the rings provide a good solid lock up for recoil resistance and help to center the rings on the base. I spoke with Jered about these rings and he pointed out that they do not need to be kept in a match set and the caps can interchange due to the machining tolorences. So when I installed the lower half on my Near 25 MOA base I set my 5-25X56 PMII into the ring halves and found it did not bind in any way when rotated or slid back and forth. I installed the caps and ran the screws down to just allow the scope to float and checked for binding and found none. So I took it a step further and put the front ring in the rear and repeated this and found no binding again. So the rings seem to be true to me. I then squared the rings up and mounted the scope. Now sometimes I get lucky and dont have a scope turn too much when mounting and some times it seems like no matter what I do I always get a little cant even with feeler guages (I use playing cards so not to mar up my scope, ask me why). I was able to do this install the first time and never developed any cant.

    Over all I am very impressed with these rings from APA. They have passed all my test so far. The only thing left will be the repeatability. I will after I get the scope zeroed check that and report back. However as of right now I will be buying more in the future & will recommemd these rings to anyone looking for the best! And then you look at the price and you will see that at $195 (when I bought these) they are by no means the most expensive out there.

    On to the pics:

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    GREAT review. Next time I'm in the market for a set of rings I'll definitely take a serious look at APA's. Man APA makes nice looking stuff! (I'll be ordering one of their FB brakes for my upcoming 338 LM build.) Excellent photo's too.
     
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    I can't wait to get mine delivered. They should be here any day now. Thanks for the write up!
     
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    Thanks for the review. I need new 34 mm rings for custom built 308. Considered Spuhr, but they are for right hand shooters, Badger which which do have nice enough finish for this rifle, and Near alphamount.
     
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    ronas
    I am not a fan of the Badgers as I have used several sets they just have too many damn sharp edges for me to mount a $3K or more scope. I have used Near Mfg and they are nice, however I think the APA rings are a bit better, not to mention lighter and less money! I highly recomemd you give them a try, I dont think you will be dissapointed.
     
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    Ronas, our rings are for left hand shooters to.
    They are ambi.
    Our unimounts are optimized for right hand shooters though....

    Håkan
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I highly recomemd you give them a try, I dont think you will be dissapointed. </div></div>

    No disrepsect to APA or Jered intended, but how the hell can you "highly recomemd" [sic] a product that you have never actually used? About as useful as reviewing a scope that you never actually used.

    This thread could sure use a few pictures of a tac-ops rifle and maybe an S & B 5-25...
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jbell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I highly recomemd you give them a try, I dont think you will be dissapointed. </div></div>

    No disrepsect to APA or Jered intended, but how the hell can you "highly recomemd" [sic] a product that you have never actually used? About as useful as reviewing a scope that you never actually used.

    This thread could sure use a few pictures of a tac-ops rifle and maybe an S & B 5-25...

    </div></div>

    Interesting, how do you come up with the fact that I have never actually used these rings? I do recall spending quite a bit of time mounting a scope in them whial checking & compairing every detail (that I have had complaints about from other mfg). To me these rings are impoved over others. So have I put thousands of rounds down range with these rings holding my scope on, no but I would venture a guess that no one has yet. I did point that out in the review though. As far as being as useful as reviewing a scope that you never actually used that too is intresting. I also recall spending several days compairing the Kahles to the S&B (which I think is the benchmark). True most of the review consisted of optical preformance but to me with all other things being equal is the most important feature of a optical device. I do know some people are satisified with a scope that is mechanically sound (track properly and is repeatiable in adjustments) and has good enough optics, not me. I do understand that proper mechanics is the most important aspect of a rifle scope but your adjustments can only be so true, so what do you have after that. I also understand that most people on here are area shooter so the idea of "if I can see it i can hit it" is just fine. However I dont settle for hits, I want to know that they are the best hits I can make. So if I cant see if the hits are where I called them because my optics are only good enough then that is unacceptiable. But to be fair I did not shoot the scope because when I took it to the range I was not able to resolve some of the details at longer ranges that I could with the S&B. I dont dobut that it would be on par with S&B, NF, ect as far as tracking and if they are not that will surface very fast around here because that is not an opinion. I was just tring to give my opinion on the new Kahles which would fall under the optical performance and feel of the adjustments and fit and finish. Please dont get me wrong, the optical performance of the new Kahles is very impressive. I was splitting hairs when I decided to sell it, which is why I decided not to include that in my review, it was too subjective. I am not a "bandwagon" person who has to have the newest thing out there, nor am I someone who is a brand whore who has to use one specific brand no matter what. I am someone who over analyzes ever detail that is important to me and I am constantly tring to better my self and my equipment.

    I hope this helps you to understand my reason for doing these two reviews the way I did. I wish they could of been more helpful to you but maybe someone can pick up something out of my ramblings. Thank you for your input - Jesse
     
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    Håkan
    I have had some time using your mount whial shooting (just never personally owned one) and it too is very nice. I find the mounts to be very well thought out and have some very useful features, like the built in level and the wedge leveling system. I have heard nothing but rave reviews on them. They are just a bit bulky for my tates. If I needed points to mount a laser, back up sights or other I would be all over them. I just like the slim look of conventinal scope mounting system. Thank you for thinking out side the box and being an innovater of of our soprt.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronas, our rings are for left hand shooters to.
    They are ambi.
    Our unimounts are optimized for right hand shooters though....

    Håkan</div></div>

    I was told the rings only come in 1” height. Do you offer them in other heights? 1” is to low for me. They would work if higher and if I can tighten then to max of 15 inch lbs to hold scope. I have Premier and do want to follow their instructions.

    jbell
    What is the recommended torque for the ring caps on the APA rings?
     
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    Ronas

    The separate rings comes as 1" only.
    The rings can be tightend to 25in/lbs but we recomend 15in/lbs as there is a number of scopes that not can stand more than 15.
    Older Premier scopes is one of them.....
    But later Premier changed to 32in/lbs as that is the maximum recomended from Larue.
    The torque recomendation is however maximum torgue and not necesarraly best.

    Håkan
     
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    Hakan,

    I have newer premier manuf. after the stacking of tolerences problem was fixed. That said I like to never torque anything more than actually required to do the job. To that end all my torque instruments and wrenchs have cetificate of calibration.

    Ron
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whose are the instructions that you dont want to follow?</div></div>


    I want to follow Preimers instructions on torque for ring cap screws.
    I've got an email out to Paul.
     
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    I was able to get out to the range to test out the new rings. It was raining hard the whole time so my accuracy was not the best but I feel the rings did very good. So after a quick zero @ 100 yds. I fired a string of 5 rounds removing the scope from the rifle each time:

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    I let my 3rd round slip high, I did not call it high but knew it was out because when the shot broke the rain had picked up a lot and I lost the target (my fault). Here are the 5 rounds:

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    I then decided to do it 2 more times but this time I removed the scope and reinstalled it, shot 3 rounds at a target, removed and reinstalled the scope again and shot 3 more rounds at a different target. Here is what all 11 rounds looked like after R&R the scope 6 times:

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    Keep in mind it was raning very hard at times so target acquisition was sketchy at best for a few of the rounds. I also did not use a torque wrench to install the rings onto the base each time, just a screw driver with a T15 bit. Overall I am very happy with these results. So as I said before I would highly recommend these rings. The targets used were 1" in diameter.
     
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    <span style="font-weight: bold">Any reseller of the APA rings.</span> Just called APA today, Monday, July 31 and they will not be open until later this week on Thursday.

    I have a new 308 Gradous rifle I've had now for a couple of weeks I believe and I've not been able to shoot it due to lack of proper rings.
     
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    Maybe it's just me or the photos but the tops of those rings look like they have a slightly smaller diameter than than the bottom pieces. Does anyone else notice it?
     
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    I took delivery of a set of 1.5 inch high, 34mm rings from APA recently. They are on the shelf waiting for the optic, but they do appear to be absolute works of art.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I took delivery of a set of 1.5 inch high, 34mm rings from APA recently. They are on the shelf waiting for the optic, but they do appear to be absolute works of art. </div></div>

    Did they come with instructions that stated specificlly torque range for ring caps?

    <span style="font-weight: bold">Edited:</span>
    Paul at Premier told me "... Always 15 in lbs on ring screws. I go no more than 18 and no less than 15."

     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronas</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Any reseller of the APA rings.</span></div></div>

    Ha, no these are staying with me. I did not get any instructions with the rings, Jered said he hasnt had time to get them ready or a T15 wrench. I didnt think it was a big deal. He told me 15 inch pounds on the caps.

     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nauta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it's just me or the photos but the tops of those rings look like they have a slightly smaller diameter than than the bottom pieces. Does anyone else notice it? </div></div>

    I have seen this on several mfg rings, I dont know what the deal is but it works.
     
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    I took delivery of mine yesterday

    the come in the following sizes

    34mm : .856, .950, 1.031, 1.125

    30mm : .750, .856, 1.031, 1.125, 1.250

    Jered will be back later in the week but i believe you can order these off the website.


    I am very impressed with these rings so far.


    I have only fired 20 rounds down range but i can say these will be my rings of choice moving forward.

    they are very clean and dont take up alot of space, very nice when trying to run a level and cosine on a Short action rifle with a schmidt

    also nice is minimal profile, lets you see more of your turrets

    although light they lock up and seem to be bullet proof, i will shoot them at the PTS match in 2 weeks and see how they hold up

    I love the detail of the logo, who doesnt want more buzzards on thier gun

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    i know ive already lost a screw, still going strong with only 3 though


    fyi .950 are going to be too low for me, not enough room for butler creeks

    surgeon 591 action, Krieger LV barrel, 5-25x56 S&B


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    Guys,
    Sorry for the delay to get on here and answer some questions. I was out of town for a few days and had to come back and bury my best 4 legged fishing buddy for the past 15 years. I've been a little distant but I'll try to keep up.

    The caps look different sizes b/c they aren't cut on center. This helps to reduce some of the crushing power of the scope. I certainly didn't come up with the idea. Marty is the one that actually explained it to me on his rings years ago.

    The cap screws should be 15 inch pounds like everyone else.
    The mounting screws can be anywhere from 30-45 inch pounds. They will hold with far less and will withstand any amount of torque you can put on them but you'll start breaking your Torx bits around 60 inch pounds.


    Jesse,
    Thanks for the awesome review!
    I'm glad you like them!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">fyi .950 are going to be too low for me, not enough room for butler creeks

    surgeon 591 action, Krieger LV barrel, 5-25x56 S&B</div></div>

    That looks to be about 2mm of space. I have similar situation. 5-25x56 Premier with 1" Badger rings which gives me 2mm of space without butler creek caps. My barrel too is a Krieger with a #17 heavy varmint barrel.

    I may go high rings with this rifle as AICS comb has plenty of upward adjustment.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your dog Jered, but 15 years is a good run.
     
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    The Sniper school knew him well but that was a little before your brother's time. I used to get bitched at if I didn't bring him with me. They liked watching him trash everything they shook at him.

    Anyway. Back to rings...............People should be receiving their set as we move forward. I will be including a print out with the rings for torque settings and a torx key. Jeff is supposed to be working on all of that.

    Benji,
    If you send those .950's back I'll swap them out for 1.031's and get you another screw.
     
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    Can you make 34mm rings that are 1.35" high? If so what is time frame and cost?


    PS: Sorry to hear of loss, I known it'w like losing a family member.
     
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    Many thanks to Jered for getting me set up with these! Got some new glass, and very happy he made some that get it low like I like it
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    These rings are superb, nothing out there like them, nothing better. I'm definitely going to get another set if I ever end up with another S&B.


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    And yes, I did use the Dremmel on the scope cap...
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charlie Papa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many thanks to Jered for getting me set up with these! Got some new glass, and very happy he made some that get it low like I like it
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    These rings are superb, nothing out there like them, nothing better. I'm definitely going to get another set if I ever end up with another S&B.


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    And yes, I did use the Dremmel on the scope cap... </div></div>

    Nice scope Chad!!! Congrats!
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charlie Papa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many thanks to Jered for getting me set up with these! Got some new glass, and very happy he made some that get it low like I like it
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    These rings are superb, nothing out there like them, nothing better. I'm definitely going to get another set if I ever end up with another S&B.


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    And yes, I did use the Dremmel on the scope cap... </div></div>

    Charlie Papa,

    are those the .856" rings? And any problems running the objective that close to the barrel? (other than having to Dremel the cap?)
     
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    Thanks, Joe! Yes, those are .856" rings. I was concerned about the cap not fitting, but would rather have the scope down where I want it. I've only got .030" clearance and haven't had a chance to get it to the range yet, but I'm going to see if it's causing any issues. I may have to remove some more rubber or go with a different kind of cap.
     
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    Thanks for that Charlie Papa. I'll be interested to see just how much movement your setup has once you get it to the range. I've never run such a small gap but it is aesthetically pleasing. (And nice if I don't want to use a stock pack on a non-adjustable stock.)
     
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    After reading the review and watching the torture test on youtube I'm going to spring for a set of these. I'm thinking the .950 height for my S&B 3-20 that I can't wait to get! (Should be here Tues/Wed.)