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Accuracy expectation of a LWRC REPR

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Given a good shooter and reasonably good reload/match ammo, what can one expect to get out of the REPR out to 800 yards? Is 3/4 MOA a reasonable expectation or is it too much to ask of this rifle?
 
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From everything I've read and seen most are getting 3/4 maybe alittle under at 100yrds. From what I can tell the aren't quit the tack drivers I've seen out of some POF/ Hogans in the piston world.

I own a Hogan and my statement in anyway is not because of what I have , just on results I've seen and read about. On average that's what most are seeing .
 
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Wait did he just say 3/4 moa at <span style="font-size: 14pt">800</span> yards????
 
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It's a great rifle I'm sure but I think your expectations are over kill for what your looking at. 400yrds with a semi auto of any kind to shoot a .75 group would be extremely impressive. I'm not saying it can't be done in perfect setting, good optics and good shooter but I don't think you will ever see it from a LWRC .

If looking for a 308 that might do that better check JP or something like that.
 
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As the factory told me 1 1/4 MOA is acceptable at 100yrds, and I have the letter and test target to back that up
 
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Wow! 1 1/4 MOA at 100 yards?? That's not very "appetizing" for such an expensive rifle ... I might have deemed 1 1/4 MOA at 400 yards more appealing.
 
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I was having accuracy issues, sent the rifle back, they tested it and deemed 1 1/4 MOA@100 acceptable , and then charged me $75 for the range time....I bitched, they basically told me it is a battle rifle, so I said it should be called a REBR, Not REPR, but they think REPR is cooler....go figure....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: spiralseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was having accuracy issues, sent the rifle back, they tested it and deemed 1 1/4 MOA@100 acceptable , and then charged me $75 for the range time....I bitched, they basically told me it is a battle rifle, so I said it should be called a REBR, Not REPR, but they think REPR is cooler....go figure.... </div></div>

That's pretty arrogant ...
 
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If a rifle will consistently shoot .75 moa at 100 i would expect it to continue that trend at farther ranges. My semi-auto is easily capable of 3/4 MOA at 100 and 500 and I am dont see why it wouldn't continue that trend even farther until the rounds drop transsonic.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kubitza</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's a great rifle I'm sure but I think your expectations are over kill for what your looking at. 400yrds with a semi auto of any kind to shoot a .75 group would be extremely impressive. I'm not saying it can't be done in perfect setting, good optics and good shooter but I don't think you will ever see it from a LWRC .

If looking for a 308 that might do that better check JP or something like that.

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A 3/4 MOA group at 400yds is about 3" not .75".
 
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I'd of expected more from LWRC than 1.25 @100 yds. Can't say I'd be happy with that or being charged $75 for that info either.
 
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3/4 MOA is asking a lot from that gun. I am a LWRC dealer and am a huge fan of most of their rifles. The REPR is NOT one of them. Accuracy and reliability are substandard for the price you pay. If you want a true precision gas gun check out the JP-LRP07 or the GAP-10.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bluegrass Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3/4 MOA is asking a lot from that gun. I am a LWRC dealer and am a huge fan of most of their rifles. The REPR is NOT one of them. Accuracy and reliability are substandard for the price you pay.</div></div>

This is really too bad. I really like the fit and feel of this rifle.... but an admirable level of precision is also important to me.
 
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I can't speak for anyone else, but my 20" REPR will shoot 3/4 moa all day long with 175SMKs. It even loves Port FNM keeping it sub moa as well. I have run several thousand rounds through it without a single malfunction. I just shot out to 1,180 yards the other day with a 10-15mph crosswind and went 5 for 10 on a human silhouette steel target. The misses were due to the wind and the shooter but not the platform. I also pushed some SW 190SMK subs out to 550 yards the same day. Inside of 500 was no problem. At 550 my hit ratio dropped to about 50%, again mostly due to wind and operator head space and timing. While others mileage has varied, my experience with the platform and the company has been very positive. 5872
 
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I loved my REPR but I think expecting much better than around 1 MOA is a lot from that rifle.

A 1 MOA gasser is a deadly rig out to around 5-700 yards. That's the functional range that gun was designed for. Price is not a factor in the equation if the gun functions as designed.

To think that a round will maintain its one hundred yard capability out until the round goes transonic is a mistake. Maybe in a vacuum.

If you want accurate in an AR 10 platform, go with either a GAP or JP. My Gap 10 I just got from Bluegrass has been shooting 1/2 MOA I I can't shoot a gasser as well as a bolt gun.
 
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My REPR is just over 1/2 MOA with 168FGMM ammo and a fixed 10x optic. I normally use a 1-4 optic and don't shoot bagged up prone, so that is more than enough functional accuracy for me. It suppresses very well, too. Zero reliability issues, just like my 5.56 LWRC rifles.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5872</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't speak for anyone else, but my 20" REPR will shoot 3/4 moa all day long with 175SMKs. It even loves Port FNM keeping it sub moa as well. I have run several thousand rounds through it without a single malfunction. I just shot out to 1,180 yards the other day with a 10-15mph crosswind and went 5 for 10 on a human silhouette steel target. The misses were due to the wind and the shooter but not the platform. I also pushed some SW 190SMK subs out to 550 yards the same day. Inside of 500 was no problem. At 550 my hit ratio dropped to about 50%, again mostly due to wind and operator head space and timing. While others mileage has varied, my experience with the platform and the company has been very positive. 5872 </div></div>

I followed your posts, impressive!!! I just cant get my rig dialed in, tried various loads, just wont settle down..different shooters, scopes, and all.... oh well, I am keeping it regardless....it handled dirt,mud, rain, sleet and a ruptured case.....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My REPR is just over 1/2 MOA with 168FGMM ammo and a fixed 10x optic. I normally use a 1-4 optic and don't shoot bagged up prone, so that is more than enough functional accuracy for me. It suppresses very well, too. Zero reliability issues, just like my 5.56 LWRC rifles. </div></div>

stop bragging!!! I see you stuff on the other board also! LOL
 
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spiralseal, it sounds like you have tried many solutions to your accuracy issues. I don't know how many rounds you have put through yours but it took my rifle several hundred rounds to settle in to its groove. I have never had a rifle that took so long. I too was beginning to think that I was going to have a 1-2 moa gun. It seems to be getting better with age. Not sure if it has anything to do with the NiCorr treatment or not. I know that many folks believe that barrels get better or settle in with some rounds down them as the copper fouling smoothes the inconsistencies out. Keep shooting and see what happens. As with everything that man makes, few things if any end up being perfect out of the gate or box in this case. 5872
 
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pictures... pictures... I got to see these groups. Get one large poster side target with 4 total @ 5shot groups each with .5moa at 100yards each grouping. Got to post these groupings! sounds bad ass.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My REPR is just over 1/2 MOA with 168FGMM ammo and a fixed 10x optic. I normally use a 1-4 optic and don't shoot bagged up prone, so that is more than enough functional accuracy for me. It suppresses very well, too. Zero reliability issues, just like my 5.56 LWRC rifles. </div></div>
 
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My 18" has shot flawlessly. I have shot .75 moa with 175gr smk's at 100 and 1 moa at two and three hundred. Haven't gone farther yet. I run it suppressed mostly. Wouldn't trade this rifle for anything. She wears a NF 3.5-15x50. I hope to get out to 800, and would be stoked if I could hold 1 moa. I feel the rifle/scope/ammo is more than capable. My .02, jpg
 
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You will NEVER see consistent 3/4 moa accuracy with a REPR outside of 400 yards.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You will NEVER see consistent 3/4 moa accuracy with a REPR outside of 400 yards. </div></div>

I think you told me when I was shooting my 18" " like chasing a ghost"
 
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I don't own anything with more than 4x magnification, as I seldom shoot paper-killa style, but you can see my results with a borrowed 10x and my normal 1-4 at this thread:
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https://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3239349



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elfster1234</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pictures... pictures... I got to see these groups. Get one large poster side target with 4 total @ 5shot groups each with .5moa at 100yards each grouping. Got to post these groupings! sounds bad ass.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My REPR is just over 1/2 MOA with 168FGMM ammo and a fixed 10x optic. I normally use a 1-4 optic and don't shoot bagged up prone, so that is more than enough functional accuracy for me. It suppresses very well, too. Zero reliability issues, just like my 5.56 LWRC rifles. </div></div> </div></div>
 
Maybe i'm dumb, or just naïve, but isn't minute of angle minute of angle? Whether it's 100 yds or 800 yds? To my understanding, a moa capable rifle shoots 1" at 100, and 8" at 800 (in perfect conditions) or am I understanding wrong?

I currently have my MK1 REPR at the factory getting re-barreled, because I couldn't get it to shoot better than 5 MOA (5" at 100 yds), and Rodney agreed that it wasn't my poor marksmanship (thank God) it was the rifle. He actually told me and i quote "The REPR is definitely MOA or better capable".

I asked him for the cost to upgrade it to the Proof CF barrel and i'll be sticking with the steel one. lol

I'm very excited to get it back and see what it will shoot.
 
You are not wrong.

Post #11 says this.



2012..?
 
So, maybe this is the wrong forum to bring this up in, but since we have already talked about it i am curious. So guys like 19Scout talk about 1 MOA "out to 400 yards". If MOA is MOA regardless of distance, then why qualify possible changes in MOA depending on distance? Does MOA actually change, maybe due to atmospheric, or Coriolis effect or...? What is he saying?
 
So, maybe this is the wrong forum to bring this up in, but since we have already talked about it i am curious. So guys like 19Scout talk about 1 MOA "out to 400 yards". If MOA is MOA regardless of distance, then why qualify possible changes in MOA depending on distance? Does MOA actually change, maybe due to atmospheric, or Coriolis effect or...? What is he saying?
As the bullet travels further you get less velocity coupled with wind and other atmospheric changes. It would be impressive if a gun that shot 1 moa (1” ish) for 5 shots at 100 could shoot 1 moa (4” ish) at 400 yards. Especially gas guns in regards to velocity changes. Yes it can be done but when other factor come into play your groups start opening up

Otherwise everyone with their 1/2 moa savage would be shooting 5” groups at 1,000 yards. When in reality 5” at 500 yards in more realistic
 
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FWIW ... my REPR chambered in 6.5-CM is the most accurate gas-gun I've ever experienced ... by far. I routinely shoot it out to 800-yards and hit steel IPSC targets all day long. I use it in our local gas-gun matches and it's almost "not fair" when shooting side-by-side with 223's, 308's, 6.5-Grendal's, etc. I have a lot of guns, and a lot of rifles. My LWRCI MK2 REPR Elite (carbon fiber barrel) would be the "Last" gun I'd vote off the island. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? IMHO "Yes".
 
As the bullet travels further you get less velocity coupled with wind and other atmospheric changes. It would be impressive if a gun that shot 1 moa (1” ish) for 5 shots at 100 could shoot 1 moa (4” ish) at 400 yards. Especially gas guns in regards to velocity changes. Yes it can be done but when other factor come into play your groups start opening up

Otherwise everyone with their 1/2 moa savage would be shooting 5” groups at 1,000 yards. When in reality 5” at 500 yards in more realistic
Wonderful explanation hafe, thank you. I learned something.
 
FWIW ... my REPR chambered in 6.5-CM is the most accurate gas-gun I've ever experienced ... by far. I routinely shoot it out to 800-yards and hit steel IPSC targets all day long. I use it in our local gas-gun matches and it's almost "not fair" when shooting side-by-side with 223's, 308's, 6.5-Grendal's, etc. I have a lot of guns, and a lot of rifles. My LWRCI MK2 REPR Elite (carbon fiber barrel) would be the "Last" gun I'd vote off the island. Is it expensive? Yes. Is it worth it? IMHO "Yes".
I'm trying to talk them into replacing my "bad" barrel with a Proof CF, but they want $1,200 to do it. I made a different offer, so we'll see. I'd love to get the kind of accuracy you're talking about Rusty. Plus it might lighten that HEAVY bitch a little bit.
 
I was of the belief that all LWRC units are test fired for function and accuracy before leaving the factory. Taking into account the volume of units sold and the percentage of first time users complaining of performance, makes me wonder if these are merely user induced issues.
I'm not sure you're referring to me, but i wasn't merely "complaining" of performance. The rifle shot poorly as was confirmed by the factory.
 
So, after 8 long weeks the rifle was finally sent back to me. Took a couple more weeks for me to get up to the farm to fire it, but when I finally did, it shot great. I ran 5 different types of ammo (factory) thru it. It shot best with Federal GMM 175 (1.1"), not so great with Federal GM Berger 185, not so great with Hornady Match 168, not so great with Hornady Precision Hunter, and surprising enough, just over 1 moa with Freedom 168 gr. REMAN 168 HPBT!

I did shoot off of a bipod and an incorrect rear bag, so i might be able to tighten up my groups a little with a better set up.

I may fart around with some load development just for fun. Maybe try to duplicate (or better) the FGMM in 168 gr. I have some Varget and Superformance i've been wanting to use up as well.

One bonus, i guess, is the new barrel came with the MKII gas block. Way more adjustability than the MKI. Usefulness YTBD. At least this one is finger turnable, as opposed to the MKI which required a channel lock, vise and a 3' pipe.

All in all, i wasn't thrilled with LWRC customer service, or urgency, but they did get my rifle fixed, so I'll say all's well that ends well.

Attached a couple photos for fun.
 

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So, after 8 long weeks the rifle was finally sent back to me. Took a couple more weeks for me to get up to the farm to fire it, but when I finally did, it shot great. I ran 5 different types of ammo (factory) thru it. It shot best with Federal GMM 175 (1.1"), not so great with Federal GM Berger 185, not so great with Hornady Match 168, not so great with Hornady Precision Hunter, and surprising enough, just over 1 moa with Freedom 168 gr. REMAN 168 HPBT!

I did shoot off of a bipod and an incorrect rear bag, so i might be able to tighten up my groups a little with a better set up.

I may fart around with some load development just for fun. Maybe try to duplicate (or better) the FGMM in 168 gr. I have some Varget and Superformance i've been wanting to use up as well.

One bonus, i guess, is the new barrel came with the MKII gas block. Way more adjustability than the MKI. Usefulness YTBD. At least this one is finger turnable, as opposed to the MKI which required a channel lock, vise and a 3' pipe.

All in all, i wasn't thrilled with LWRC customer service, or urgency, but they did get my rifle fixed, so I'll say all's well that ends well.

Attached a couple photos for fun.
 
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Doesn't seem like anyone's interested, but f-it I'm having fun.

Loaded up a few cartridges using my RCBS SB dies (tested just neck sizing some once fired but that didn't work) with both 168 Berger Hybrid Target and 168 Sierra Match King each with 46 grains of Varget, Federal brass and CCI 34 primers. Best groups were the Bergers 5/8", and the Sierras shot 1 1/8". I don't shoot like i did when i was in my 20's, but all in all I'm pretty happy with the new barrel.

Now begins the search for some hunting bullets that will perform in this rifle. This barrel seems to reject anything Hornady, so there goes my default.

Any thoughts, comments, concerns or suggestions would be appreciated!
 

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