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Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
They broke the law. They now face 2 years for breaking the law. What's your red herring doing flopping all over the ground of truth?
They broke the law. They now face 2 years for breaking the law. What's your red herring doing flopping all over the ground of truth?
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They broke the law. They now face 2 years for breaking the law. What's your red herring doing flopping all over the ground of truth? </div></div>
Id like to say this about that
[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/KTwnwbG9YLE[/video]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They broke the law. They now face 2 years for breaking the law. What's your red herring doing flopping all over the ground of truth? </div></div>
Id like to say this about that
[video:youtube]http://youtu.be/KTwnwbG9YLE[/video]
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
So basically you have nothing to say but engage in a sophistic, passive-aggressive attempt at an ad-hominem?
What part about they trespassed, engaged in hooliganism, and suffered the consequence escapes you? They're feminist-anarchists. They fought the law and the law won. End of story.
Here's a bit of background: http://mercouris.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/pussy-riot-2/
They're not some misunderstood teenage girls who got in trouble for speaking their minds. They're anarchists who engage in the sort of crap promoted in Project Mayhem in Fight Club.
Society is in the place it's in, worldwide, because everything started coming to the surface in the 60's... the crowning in the birth process for a little devil baby called "relativism", leading to rejection of objective truth and along with it all social mores that prevented things like women who stuff frozen chickens in their vaginas and trespass in churches being seen as some sort of weird heroines.
Get over yourself dude. Your anti-authoritarian/religion stance has no basis in logical thought and can only KILL ITSELF via the loss of standards. You just rant and rave, splashing around in the feelings pool. At least put a method to your ideology.
Those "characters" ARE dangerous. They're the poisoned youth poisoning more youth.
So basically you have nothing to say but engage in a sophistic, passive-aggressive attempt at an ad-hominem?
What part about they trespassed, engaged in hooliganism, and suffered the consequence escapes you? They're feminist-anarchists. They fought the law and the law won. End of story.
Here's a bit of background: http://mercouris.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/pussy-riot-2/
They're not some misunderstood teenage girls who got in trouble for speaking their minds. They're anarchists who engage in the sort of crap promoted in Project Mayhem in Fight Club.
Society is in the place it's in, worldwide, because everything started coming to the surface in the 60's... the crowning in the birth process for a little devil baby called "relativism", leading to rejection of objective truth and along with it all social mores that prevented things like women who stuff frozen chickens in their vaginas and trespass in churches being seen as some sort of weird heroines.
Get over yourself dude. Your anti-authoritarian/religion stance has no basis in logical thought and can only KILL ITSELF via the loss of standards. You just rant and rave, splashing around in the feelings pool. At least put a method to your ideology.
Those "characters" ARE dangerous. They're the poisoned youth poisoning more youth.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So basically you have nothing to say but engage in a sophistic, passive-aggressive attempt at an ad-hominem?
What part about they trespassed, engaged in hooliganism, and suffered the consequence escapes you? They're feminist-anarchists. They fought the law and the law won. End of story.
Here's a bit of background: http://mercouris.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/pussy-riot-2/
They're not some misunderstood teenage girls who got in trouble for speaking their minds. They're anarchists who engage in the sort of crap promoted in Project Mayhem in Fight Club.
Society is in the place it's in, worldwide, because everything started coming to the surface in the 60's... the crowning in the birth process for a little devil baby called "relativism", leading to rejection of objective truth and along with it all social mores that prevented things like women who stuff frozen chickens in their vaginas and trespass in churches being seen as some sort of weird heroines.
Get over yourself dude. Your anti-authoritarian/religion stance has no basis in logical thought and can only KILL ITSELF via the loss of standards. You just rant and rave, splashing around in the feelings pool. At least put a method to your ideology.
Those "characters" ARE dangerous. They're the poisoned youth poisoning more youth. </div></div>
the joke here is you. Awwww their hooligans...they cursed in church. Awwww they insulted the authorities...I wonder what the Brittish called the boys in Boston...hooligans? Awwww, are your tender little feeling hurt. Try turning off your hearing aid.
BwahaHAHAHA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So basically you have nothing to say but engage in a sophistic, passive-aggressive attempt at an ad-hominem?
What part about they trespassed, engaged in hooliganism, and suffered the consequence escapes you? They're feminist-anarchists. They fought the law and the law won. End of story.
Here's a bit of background: http://mercouris.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/pussy-riot-2/
They're not some misunderstood teenage girls who got in trouble for speaking their minds. They're anarchists who engage in the sort of crap promoted in Project Mayhem in Fight Club.
Society is in the place it's in, worldwide, because everything started coming to the surface in the 60's... the crowning in the birth process for a little devil baby called "relativism", leading to rejection of objective truth and along with it all social mores that prevented things like women who stuff frozen chickens in their vaginas and trespass in churches being seen as some sort of weird heroines.
Get over yourself dude. Your anti-authoritarian/religion stance has no basis in logical thought and can only KILL ITSELF via the loss of standards. You just rant and rave, splashing around in the feelings pool. At least put a method to your ideology.
Those "characters" ARE dangerous. They're the poisoned youth poisoning more youth. </div></div>
the joke here is you. Awwww their hooligans...they cursed in church. Awwww they insulted the authorities...I wonder what the Brittish called the boys in Boston...hooligans? Awwww, are your tender little feeling hurt. Try turning off your hearing aid.
BwahaHAHAHA
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Komok</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two years it aren't a lot of.
6 months they already left.
if will well behave
In 10 months can leave on a parole.
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THANKS for the upodate.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Komok</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Two years it aren't a lot of.
6 months they already left.
if will well behave
In 10 months can leave on a parole.
</div></div>
THANKS for the upodate.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
Maggot, you're impossible. It has nothing to do with anything you just wrote insofar as me posting in this thread. It has to do with the fact that the country of Russia has laws which these women broke, and the group to which they belong is constantly breaking laws.
You have fun dying from within, for the 2nd death is most unpleasant and in itself demanded-- much like these women demanded punishment by knowing what they did was against the law.
If you would like to ACTUALLY discuss the issue, that'd be fine. Until then, have fun playing in the muck of death from within.
Maggot, you're impossible. It has nothing to do with anything you just wrote insofar as me posting in this thread. It has to do with the fact that the country of Russia has laws which these women broke, and the group to which they belong is constantly breaking laws.
You have fun dying from within, for the 2nd death is most unpleasant and in itself demanded-- much like these women demanded punishment by knowing what they did was against the law.
If you would like to ACTUALLY discuss the issue, that'd be fine. Until then, have fun playing in the muck of death from within.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
The rule of Law does not apply in Putin's Russia. Criticize Putin and his kleptocracy. You will end up dead, have every asset seized or in prison.
"Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service, FSB and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom. According to his wife and father, he was working for MI6 and MI5 after receiving the asylum.
Upon his arrival to London, he continued to support the Russian oligarch in exile, Boris Berezovsky, in his media campaign against the Russian government.[1]
In the UK, Litvinenko became a journalist for a Chechen separatist site, Chechenpress. Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing up Russia: Terror from within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, where he accused the Russian secret services of staging Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts to bring Vladimir Putin to power.
On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] According to doctors, "Litvinenko's murder represents an ominous landmark: the beginning of an era of nuclear terrorism".[3][4][5]
Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin were behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage.[6]
Subsequent investigations by British authorities into the circumstances of Litvinenko's death led to serious diplomatic difficulties between the British and Russian governments. Unofficially, British authorities asserted that "we are 100% sure who administered the poison, where and how", but they did not disclose their evidence in the interest of a future trial. The main suspect in the case, a former officer of the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO), Andrei Lugovoy, remains in Russia. As a member of the Duma, he now enjoys immunity from prosecution. Before he was elected to the Duma, the British government tried to extradite him without success."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
"The conviction comes in the wake of several recently passed laws cracking down on opposition, including one that raised the fine for taking part in an unauthorized demonstrations by 150 times to 300,000 rubles (about $9,000). Another measure requires non-government organizations that both engage in vaguely defined political activity and receive funding from abroad to register as “foreign agents.”
The Pussy Riot case has underlined the vast influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Although church and state are formally separate, critics say its strength and symbolism in the country effectively makes it a quasi-state entity. Some Orthodox groups and many believers had urged strong punishment for an action they consider blasphemous.
The church has a history of cracking down on its critics in post-Soviet Russia: Gleb Yakunin, a priest and former lawmaker was defrocked and excommunicated after discovering in the early 1990s that church leaders had been enlisted as KGB agents.
The current head of the church, Patriarch Kirill, has made no secret of his strong support for Putin, praising his leadership as “God’s miracle,” and has described the punk performance as part of an assault by “enemy forces” on the church.
The church has ardently backed the Kremlin, consecrating new nuclear missiles as “Russia’s guardian angels” and urged young Russians to volunteer for military service in Chechnya."
Above from:
http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/08/20/pussy-riot-russian-orthodox-church-asks-for-mercy/
This is the most accurate summary of the corruption of the Russian courts in favor of Putin and his inner circle. IMO because the Russian Orthodox Church are a "arm of the Putin Government". I think these women are Hero's of Russia.
"Putin is directly responsible for the sentence, said Ruprecht Polenz, head of the foreign affairs committee of the German parliament, the Bundestag. "This is Putin's trial, it is Putin's verdict," Polenz, a member of the center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU), told DPA. "It is a verdict that makes a mockery of justice and the rule of law." He called on the European Union to make it clear to Russia that "true modernization cannot succeeed without the rule of law and democracy."
The parliament's German-Russian relations coordinator Andreas Schockenhoff, a member of the CDU, commented: "A signal has been sent to Russian society: Whoever criticizes the regime instead of submitting to its will is not a partner, but rather a threat that must be fought."
above from:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...a-a-850655.html
The rule of Law does not apply in Putin's Russia. Criticize Putin and his kleptocracy. You will end up dead, have every asset seized or in prison.
"Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service, FSB and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom. According to his wife and father, he was working for MI6 and MI5 after receiving the asylum.
Upon his arrival to London, he continued to support the Russian oligarch in exile, Boris Berezovsky, in his media campaign against the Russian government.[1]
In the UK, Litvinenko became a journalist for a Chechen separatist site, Chechenpress. Litvinenko wrote two books, Blowing up Russia: Terror from within and Lubyanka Criminal Group, where he accused the Russian secret services of staging Russian apartment bombings and other terrorism acts to bring Vladimir Putin to power.
On 1 November 2006, Litvinenko suddenly fell ill and was hospitalized. He died three weeks later, becoming the first confirmed victim of lethal polonium-210-induced acute radiation syndrome.[2] According to doctors, "Litvinenko's murder represents an ominous landmark: the beginning of an era of nuclear terrorism".[3][4][5]
Litvinenko's allegations about the misdeeds of the FSB and his public deathbed accusations that Russian president Vladimir Putin were behind his unusual malady resulted in worldwide media coverage.[6]
Subsequent investigations by British authorities into the circumstances of Litvinenko's death led to serious diplomatic difficulties between the British and Russian governments. Unofficially, British authorities asserted that "we are 100% sure who administered the poison, where and how", but they did not disclose their evidence in the interest of a future trial. The main suspect in the case, a former officer of the Russian Federal Protective Service (FSO), Andrei Lugovoy, remains in Russia. As a member of the Duma, he now enjoys immunity from prosecution. Before he was elected to the Duma, the British government tried to extradite him without success."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
"The conviction comes in the wake of several recently passed laws cracking down on opposition, including one that raised the fine for taking part in an unauthorized demonstrations by 150 times to 300,000 rubles (about $9,000). Another measure requires non-government organizations that both engage in vaguely defined political activity and receive funding from abroad to register as “foreign agents.”
The Pussy Riot case has underlined the vast influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Although church and state are formally separate, critics say its strength and symbolism in the country effectively makes it a quasi-state entity. Some Orthodox groups and many believers had urged strong punishment for an action they consider blasphemous.
The church has a history of cracking down on its critics in post-Soviet Russia: Gleb Yakunin, a priest and former lawmaker was defrocked and excommunicated after discovering in the early 1990s that church leaders had been enlisted as KGB agents.
The current head of the church, Patriarch Kirill, has made no secret of his strong support for Putin, praising his leadership as “God’s miracle,” and has described the punk performance as part of an assault by “enemy forces” on the church.
The church has ardently backed the Kremlin, consecrating new nuclear missiles as “Russia’s guardian angels” and urged young Russians to volunteer for military service in Chechnya."
Above from:
http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/08/20/pussy-riot-russian-orthodox-church-asks-for-mercy/
This is the most accurate summary of the corruption of the Russian courts in favor of Putin and his inner circle. IMO because the Russian Orthodox Church are a "arm of the Putin Government". I think these women are Hero's of Russia.
"Putin is directly responsible for the sentence, said Ruprecht Polenz, head of the foreign affairs committee of the German parliament, the Bundestag. "This is Putin's trial, it is Putin's verdict," Polenz, a member of the center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU), told DPA. "It is a verdict that makes a mockery of justice and the rule of law." He called on the European Union to make it clear to Russia that "true modernization cannot succeeed without the rule of law and democracy."
The parliament's German-Russian relations coordinator Andreas Schockenhoff, a member of the CDU, commented: "A signal has been sent to Russian society: Whoever criticizes the regime instead of submitting to its will is not a partner, but rather a threat that must be fought."
above from:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...a-a-850655.html
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maggot, you're impossible. It has nothing to do with anything you just wrote insofar as me posting in this thread. It has to do with the fact that the country of Russia has laws which these women broke, and the group to which they belong is constantly breaking laws.
You have fun dying from within, for the 2nd death is most unpleasant and in itself demanded-- much like these women demanded punishment by knowing what they did was against the law.
If you would like to ACTUALLY discuss the issue, that'd be fine. Until then, have fun playing in the muck of death from within. </div></div>
OK. Difficult but not impossible.
Its probably more the laws that they broke than the women themselves. 7, or even 2 years in prison for, I must say the worst crime I read of them commiting was 'trespassing'. They didnt break anything or damage the church. What they really went to jail for is disrespecting Putin, an act that is protected in our country. If they had been arrested in America for loudly protesting O-you know what kinda-Care (wanted to avoid any political implications but I think you know what I mean), or higher taxes for the rich, you would have been defending them and calling them patriots. Yeah, they may have been a bit crude, but two years is a bit of a stretch. If Vlad was much of a man he would just take them out to the middle of Red Square, pull thir panties down, and give them a spanking. That I could applaud. But two years in jail for what they did.
Hogwash.
And since the "second death" is a <span style="text-decoration: line-through"> religous</span> ridiculous topic, Ill avoid that one. Both now and later. Mabey a loud racous protest would get SOMEones attention.
And while Im at it ...What Phil said (above)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maggot, you're impossible. It has nothing to do with anything you just wrote insofar as me posting in this thread. It has to do with the fact that the country of Russia has laws which these women broke, and the group to which they belong is constantly breaking laws.
You have fun dying from within, for the 2nd death is most unpleasant and in itself demanded-- much like these women demanded punishment by knowing what they did was against the law.
If you would like to ACTUALLY discuss the issue, that'd be fine. Until then, have fun playing in the muck of death from within. </div></div>
OK. Difficult but not impossible.
Its probably more the laws that they broke than the women themselves. 7, or even 2 years in prison for, I must say the worst crime I read of them commiting was 'trespassing'. They didnt break anything or damage the church. What they really went to jail for is disrespecting Putin, an act that is protected in our country. If they had been arrested in America for loudly protesting O-you know what kinda-Care (wanted to avoid any political implications but I think you know what I mean), or higher taxes for the rich, you would have been defending them and calling them patriots. Yeah, they may have been a bit crude, but two years is a bit of a stretch. If Vlad was much of a man he would just take them out to the middle of Red Square, pull thir panties down, and give them a spanking. That I could applaud. But two years in jail for what they did.
Hogwash.
And since the "second death" is a <span style="text-decoration: line-through"> religous</span> ridiculous topic, Ill avoid that one. Both now and later. Mabey a loud racous protest would get SOMEones attention.
And while Im at it ...What Phil said (above)
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
You must first learn to distinguish between Just and Unjust laws, understand the application to the common good, and proper application of the term social justice before anything I would say would ever make sense to you. These concepts are actually throughout the writings of the Founding Fathers and are very well illustrated within the US Constitution. If you fancy yourself a person who understands the philosophical background of the Founding Fathers, and their love of Greek philosophy, then you understand , or should, what I'm talking about.
Protesting an unjust law, such a Obamacare, would in itself find the intent implicitly good; however, the explicit manner in which said law is protested, if it broke OTHER laws, in themselves JUST, would be explicitly BAD.
There are similar laws in other countries as noted in the link I provided outlining exactly what happened there. I personally think Vladimir Putin is an evil SOB, and I'll never defend him. However, the fact of the matter is free speech does not extend to anywhere one wants, and even if such a concept were to be believed by you to do so, you'd have to realize this would be operating under the guise of American myopia rife with the crowd who thinks we must export "democracy"; heck no, it comes with the tariff of American blood and not a single person in the world who isn't willing to fight for it themselves, this ridiculous notion of what freedom is to many, deserve it-- Russia is not America, and it's ridiculous to apply American morals, culture, and the "do what thou wilt" mentality to such a nation.
The law on hooliganism, which is what they were convicted of, addresses the common good in a proper application of social justice and legal authority to ensure the public good is not violated; which, when it, being this violation, is understood as such, is chaos derived from anarchistic practices such as setting up in a church, or anywhere really, and proceeding to incite people, curse and blaspheme (would be like walking into a mosque and spraying pig blood everywhere to protest Sec. State's lapdog's ties to the MB), etc. If you wish to erroneously apply Americanism to this situation, you must also apply the principle that rights end when they violate the rights of others. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness end the moment you put life in danger (though it seems the Russian Orthodox are a bit more laid back than muslims), Liberty (you've now taken away the liberty of a religious space), and the pursuit of happiness is shot due to an erroneous application of protesting wherein another person's manifested anger is encroaching on the happiness of others while: trespassing, engaging in the legal definition of hooliganism, and doing all of it in an explicitly bad manner, regardless of the goodness of the implicit intent and the dislike of regime X.
In other words, like I said, any way you slice it they broke the law and now pay the price. Harsh sentences are an insurance policy that the laws are not trampled on. Don't like the time? Then it's fairly simple: don't do the crime.
You must first learn to distinguish between Just and Unjust laws, understand the application to the common good, and proper application of the term social justice before anything I would say would ever make sense to you. These concepts are actually throughout the writings of the Founding Fathers and are very well illustrated within the US Constitution. If you fancy yourself a person who understands the philosophical background of the Founding Fathers, and their love of Greek philosophy, then you understand , or should, what I'm talking about.
Protesting an unjust law, such a Obamacare, would in itself find the intent implicitly good; however, the explicit manner in which said law is protested, if it broke OTHER laws, in themselves JUST, would be explicitly BAD.
There are similar laws in other countries as noted in the link I provided outlining exactly what happened there. I personally think Vladimir Putin is an evil SOB, and I'll never defend him. However, the fact of the matter is free speech does not extend to anywhere one wants, and even if such a concept were to be believed by you to do so, you'd have to realize this would be operating under the guise of American myopia rife with the crowd who thinks we must export "democracy"; heck no, it comes with the tariff of American blood and not a single person in the world who isn't willing to fight for it themselves, this ridiculous notion of what freedom is to many, deserve it-- Russia is not America, and it's ridiculous to apply American morals, culture, and the "do what thou wilt" mentality to such a nation.
The law on hooliganism, which is what they were convicted of, addresses the common good in a proper application of social justice and legal authority to ensure the public good is not violated; which, when it, being this violation, is understood as such, is chaos derived from anarchistic practices such as setting up in a church, or anywhere really, and proceeding to incite people, curse and blaspheme (would be like walking into a mosque and spraying pig blood everywhere to protest Sec. State's lapdog's ties to the MB), etc. If you wish to erroneously apply Americanism to this situation, you must also apply the principle that rights end when they violate the rights of others. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness end the moment you put life in danger (though it seems the Russian Orthodox are a bit more laid back than muslims), Liberty (you've now taken away the liberty of a religious space), and the pursuit of happiness is shot due to an erroneous application of protesting wherein another person's manifested anger is encroaching on the happiness of others while: trespassing, engaging in the legal definition of hooliganism, and doing all of it in an explicitly bad manner, regardless of the goodness of the implicit intent and the dislike of regime X.
In other words, like I said, any way you slice it they broke the law and now pay the price. Harsh sentences are an insurance policy that the laws are not trampled on. Don't like the time? Then it's fairly simple: don't do the crime.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must first learn to distinguish between Just and Unjust laws, understand the application to the common good, and proper application of the term social justice before anything I would say would ever make sense to you. These concepts are actually throughout the writings of the Founding Fathers and are very well illustrated within the US Constitution. If you fancy yourself a person who understands the philosophical background of the Founding Fathers, and their love of Greek philosophy, then you understand , or should, what I'm talking about.
Protesting an unjust law, such a Obamacare, would in itself find the intent implicitly good; however, the explicit manner in which said law is protested, if it broke OTHER laws, in themselves JUST, would be explicitly BAD.
There are similar laws in other countries as noted in the link I provided outlining exactly what happened there. I personally think Vladimir Putin is an evil SOB, and I'll never defend him. However, the fact of the matter is free speech does not extend to anywhere one wants, and even if such a concept were to be believed by you to do so, you'd have to realize this would be operating under the guise of American myopia rife with the crowd who thinks we must export "democracy"; heck no, it comes with the tariff of American blood and not a single person in the world who isn't willing to fight for it themselves, this ridiculous notion of what freedom is to many, deserve it-- Russia is not America, and it's ridiculous to apply American morals, culture, and the "do what thou wilt" mentality to such a nation.
The law on hooliganism, which is what they were convicted of, addresses the common good in a proper application of social justice and legal authority to ensure the public good is not violated; which, when it, being this violation, is understood as such, is chaos derived from anarchistic practices such as setting up in a church, or anywhere really, and proceeding to incite people, curse and blaspheme (would be like walking into a mosque and spraying pig blood everywhere to protest Sec. State's lapdog's ties to the MB), etc. If you wish to erroneously apply Americanism to this situation, you must also apply the principle that rights end when they violate the rights of others. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness end the moment you put life in danger (though it seems the Russian Orthodox are a bit more laid back than muslims), Liberty (you've now taken away the liberty of a religious space), and the pursuit of happiness is shot due to an erroneous application of protesting wherein another person's manifested anger is encroaching on the happiness of others while: trespassing, engaging in the legal definition of hooliganism, and doing all of it in an explicitly bad manner, regardless of the goodness of the implicit intent and the dislike of regime X.
In other words, like I said, any way you slice it they broke the law and now pay the price. Harsh sentences are an insurance policy that the laws are not trampled on. Don't like the time? Then it's fairly simple: don't do the crime.
</div></div>
Did you even read Phil's post?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You must first learn to distinguish between Just and Unjust laws, understand the application to the common good, and proper application of the term social justice before anything I would say would ever make sense to you. These concepts are actually throughout the writings of the Founding Fathers and are very well illustrated within the US Constitution. If you fancy yourself a person who understands the philosophical background of the Founding Fathers, and their love of Greek philosophy, then you understand , or should, what I'm talking about.
Protesting an unjust law, such a Obamacare, would in itself find the intent implicitly good; however, the explicit manner in which said law is protested, if it broke OTHER laws, in themselves JUST, would be explicitly BAD.
There are similar laws in other countries as noted in the link I provided outlining exactly what happened there. I personally think Vladimir Putin is an evil SOB, and I'll never defend him. However, the fact of the matter is free speech does not extend to anywhere one wants, and even if such a concept were to be believed by you to do so, you'd have to realize this would be operating under the guise of American myopia rife with the crowd who thinks we must export "democracy"; heck no, it comes with the tariff of American blood and not a single person in the world who isn't willing to fight for it themselves, this ridiculous notion of what freedom is to many, deserve it-- Russia is not America, and it's ridiculous to apply American morals, culture, and the "do what thou wilt" mentality to such a nation.
The law on hooliganism, which is what they were convicted of, addresses the common good in a proper application of social justice and legal authority to ensure the public good is not violated; which, when it, being this violation, is understood as such, is chaos derived from anarchistic practices such as setting up in a church, or anywhere really, and proceeding to incite people, curse and blaspheme (would be like walking into a mosque and spraying pig blood everywhere to protest Sec. State's lapdog's ties to the MB), etc. If you wish to erroneously apply Americanism to this situation, you must also apply the principle that rights end when they violate the rights of others. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness end the moment you put life in danger (though it seems the Russian Orthodox are a bit more laid back than muslims), Liberty (you've now taken away the liberty of a religious space), and the pursuit of happiness is shot due to an erroneous application of protesting wherein another person's manifested anger is encroaching on the happiness of others while: trespassing, engaging in the legal definition of hooliganism, and doing all of it in an explicitly bad manner, regardless of the goodness of the implicit intent and the dislike of regime X.
In other words, like I said, any way you slice it they broke the law and now pay the price. Harsh sentences are an insurance policy that the laws are not trampled on. Don't like the time? Then it's fairly simple: don't do the crime.
</div></div>
Did you even read Phil's post?
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
OK, I'm done talking to you. You have nothing to say. It's like strawman after strawman doing jigs to the tune of red herrings.
OK, I'm done talking to you. You have nothing to say. It's like strawman after strawman doing jigs to the tune of red herrings.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
Somebody is wound to tight.
Somebody is wound to tight.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
And someone is convinced 2+2=5 and he can put a man on the moon with farts in a cardboard tube. The meat on which Maggot feeds is fetid and gangrenous.
And someone is convinced 2+2=5 and he can put a man on the moon with farts in a cardboard tube. The meat on which Maggot feeds is fetid and gangrenous.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
STOP or everyone goes.
STOP or everyone goes.
Re: Russia prosecutes dangerous terrorists
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And someone is convinced 2+2=5 and he can put a man on the moon with <span style="color: #990000">Ofarts in a cardboard tube </span> . The meat on which Maggot feeds is fetid and gangrenous. </div></div>
Only after a big meal of Russian hippie chick cooked soybeans.
In my best Homer Simpson voice...Ummmmmgangrene
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And someone is convinced 2+2=5 and he can put a man on the moon with <span style="color: #990000">Ofarts in a cardboard tube </span> . The meat on which Maggot feeds is fetid and gangrenous. </div></div>
Only after a big meal of Russian hippie chick cooked soybeans.
In my best Homer Simpson voice...Ummmmmgangrene
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